Utopia Talk / General Talk / Which part should I hit my dog?

Nujabes Member	Thu Sep 10 21:31:28 I have a Maltese dog (well it's 10 months old, so I guess he's still a puppy), and it's very cute (oh shit, now I'm gonna get accused for bestiality), but sometimes it's a pain in the ass. Like when I wash dish after the meal and I disappear out of his sight, he begins to bark really loudly and make weird noise until I show up. Also, whenever I eat food, it constantly barks, so I untie his leash and let him free, but then he comes up to the kitchen table and keep touching my leg to get some food. I direct him to his own food, but he always comes back and wants my food. So I resort to hitting the dog. there are two places I hit - the spot right around the noise, and one right above his tail. After five hits or so, he quiets down and goes back to his place, but he never learns his lesson and keeps doing the same thing over and over, and each time he does it, I do the same thing.. hit him. Now, it's gotten to the point where I lightly kick the dog in the stomach but that doesn't seem to be working either. Which area is the best place to hit so it can quiet down my dog without killing him?
Palem Person.	Thu Sep 10 21:31:33 You could try training it. Btw, add animal cruelty to the list of bad things we know about poison.
Nujabes Member	Thu Sep 10 21:33:19 well I trained him to sit when I tell him too. But that lasts for about 10 seconds before he starts barking and moaning.
Typical UGTer Member	Thu Sep 10 21:33:48 eat it
Kaylana Moderator	Thu Sep 10 21:40:29 He's not recognizing you as the alpha dog. Assuming you aren't hitting the dog hard enough to hurt it, let me assure you that you don't have to cause pain to get a dog to listen to you. I find the best way to start puppy training is with the ever basic "sit" command. Say "sit" in a distinctive tone of voice that is different from your normal speaking voice. Expel it like a bark, but you don't have to yell. Just enunciate and project. Then, accompany this command by pressing your thumb gently but firmly against the rear of the dog directly above his tail. Most dogs have a natural fold of skin there, and pressing your thumb beneath this fold and above the tail will force the dog to sit without wrestling or hurting him. It's more effective to use positive reinforcement than negative, though. All animals learn faster through reward than through force. So when first training him, use the command "Sit" when you have a dog treat in hand. To get the dog to sit on command with a dog treat, hold the treat a fair distance in front of his face to get his attention. Then ease the treat over his head towards his tail, so that he's looking farther and farther up. This will encourage the dog to sit back on his haunches so that he can continue to keep his eyes on the treat. As he associates this "sit" with getting fed the treat, he'll learn within a few tries that sitting on command is a good thing. After a few days of consistent treats after sitting, you can start telling him to sit without the treats. Sometimes give him a treat, and sometimes don't. Eventually, he'll get so used to you being the "Alpha Dog" that he'll sit on command with or without the promise of food. This basic command gets the dog in the habit of obeying YOU, and associates it with FOOD and REWARD. This means that he'll start listening to you and obeying you willingly, as all pack animals do when it's in their best interest. Start with sit, and eventually you can move on to barking on command, shushing, and behaving at the table. The most important thing is consistency. Don't let him occasionally get away with bad behavior, or he'll stop associating you as Alpha.
Kaylana Moderator	Thu Sep 10 21:42:51 If you already have him sitting, don't reward him immediately as soon as he sits. Make him sit QUIETLY for several seconds, than a minute, than several minutes before rewarding him. When he starts barking or moaning, leave the room, or remove him from the room, and don't approach him again until he stops barking. The best way to get a dog to stop barking is to let him bark his heart out all alone in another room. Even if this takes hours, he will eventually quiet down. As SOON as he quiets down, enter the room again. If he starts immediately barking again, leave immediately. This often takes many hours if not days, but eventually the dog will associate that barking = you leaving, and being quiet and calm = you staying.
Kaylana Moderator	Thu Sep 10 21:44:43 than = then, grammar fail.
Kaylana Moderator	Thu Sep 10 21:46:52 Oh, and I was taught growing up that tapping the nose is a good way to get a dog to stop chewing or biting or barking (any behavior involving the mouth,) but I find it's a VERY temporary solution, and doesn't discourage the bad behavior.
Nujabes Member	Thu Sep 10 21:50:12 I think using force can do wonders. When he plays with me, he could get CRAZY. At one point, he starts biting my finger and acts like he's attacking me. And when things get out of hand, I slap his face really hard, and he immediately stops what he's doing, lies down on the floor with his heads down and stays quiet there.
Kaylana Moderator	Thu Sep 10 21:51:31 Keep in mind he's a puppy, and an energetic breed. He needs energetic playtime and a lot of attention. Take him out for walks and play with toys, so that he learns the difference between play time and your time, and also between biting doggy toys and you.
Kaylana Moderator	Thu Sep 10 21:52:19 And I really don't think you should hit your dog hard at all. That will make the dog insecure and aggressive at inappropriate times.
Kaylana Moderator	Thu Sep 10 21:53:03 I mean you're basically punishing him after encouraging him to play attack with your hand.
Nujabes Member	Thu Sep 10 21:57:41 Taking him out for walks is also an issue. In my neighborhood, each house has at least one dog, and when my dog comes out, the dogs start barking, and he becomes crazy and starts barking like mad, and at that point it becomes IMPOSSIBLE to stop him (I can't hit him in the public), and the only way to stop him is to lift him and carry him in my arms. That's one reason why I refuse to take him out to walk.
Kaylana Moderator	Thu Sep 10 22:02:51 You shouldn't hit him at all! Poison, I gave you the benefit of the doubt against my better judgment that perhaps your ability to put things into english words just implied the wrong thing. But you're making it very clear that you're hitting a very young, very small dog in a way that could seriously hurt it, emotionally and physically. If you're embarrassed to lay a hand on your dog in public, then that should be a huge red flag to you that you're hitting that dog TOO HARD. You don't have to hurt the dog, you just tap it. If the dog goes out of control every time you bring him outside, start walking him back into the house. Don't let him go back out until he calms down. Do this over and over and over until eventually you can get farther and farther from the house without him acting up. It's one thing to tap a dog to discourage it from doing something destructive, it's entirely another to punish it for acting on its natural instincts. You're confusing the dog and hurting it and it's no wonder that dog moans and barks and is hyperactive. It's nervous as hell.
Palem Person.	Thu Sep 10 22:03:24 I'd be happy to explain to you how to control your dog, but I'm not going to because you're that stupid as to actually hit your dog and expect him to not bite you back.
Kaylana Moderator	Thu Sep 10 22:13:40 Look I'm not one of those hippy freaks who says don't spank your kids and crap like that. But little dogs are delicate and you can't give them a hardy pat on the backside like an Akita with a bear-thick hide, and you should never NEVER strike their faces. It takes very little pressure to fracture an eye-socket or permanently damage their eyes. Their eyes are not as protected as ours are by their skulls. Plus, just the sight of a hand coming at them is going to make them nervous and aggressive and neurotic. Then they are reacting to the wrong stimuli. You're trying to get them to stop a behavior, but all they're going to see is that hands in their faces = danger. Then they're going to start biting hands that get too close. Try a GENTLE tap on the nose, a pinch on the neck, or a thumb against the rump like I described. That SHOULD by itself stop the hyperactivity. But if it doesn't stop the barking, then ground the dog to another room until his barking stops. Then, here's the important part, let him out of the room THE VERY MOMENT he stops barking. When he starts barking again, leave him in the room again. The dog will learn, all dogs learn this way.
Palem Person.	Thu Sep 10 22:51:58 It's a good thing Poison doesn't have an Akita. He can't even teach his dog how to sit properly and listen. Actually, now that I think about it...poison, you need to go buy an untrained Akita and make sure you hit it in the face like you do with your little ankle-biter.
Kaylana Moderator	Thu Sep 10 22:53:49 Oh and before you get any wild ideas, don't pinch or pull his ear flaps either. The ears of cats and dogs are extremely sensitive, thin, and easy to damage, and one hard pinch is enough to rupture a blood vessel, which is guaranteed to scar and will likely cause immediate and long-term risks of infection and other problems.
Celedhel JAC Pirate	Thu Sep 10 22:57:17 Bitches dig scars
Agri Patron	Fri Sep 11 03:38:55 "I have a Maltese dog, and it's very cute, but sometimes it's a pain in the ass." Use lube.
Billah Member	Fri Sep 11 04:37:29 Poison, you aren't supposed to be the dog's bitch. Having a deep voice helps handle degs, something you might be somewhat lacking in.
HH Psycho Guy Moderator	Fri Sep 11 05:14:44 Akita = RAWK!
Cthulhu Member	Fri Sep 11 07:11:11 Its a fucking puppy for christ sake. You can't expect it to be fully trained overnight.
Cthulhu Member	Fri Sep 11 07:22:32 'So I resort to hitting the dog. there are two places I hit - the spot right around the noise, and one right above his tail. After five hits or so, he quiets down and goes back to his place, but he never learns his lesson and keeps doing the same thing over and over, and each time he does it, I do the same thing.. hit him. Now, it's gotten to the point where I lightly kick the dog in the stomach but that doesn't seem to be working either.' how much attention do you give the dog? Puppies need a lot of attention, and if they don't get enough, they are dumb enough to piss you off just to get attention, even if it is negative attention. Also, you never have to hit a dog even once to train it.
Agri Patron	Fri Sep 11 07:33:21 I'd advise training your dog as well. Dogs (or pets in general, but dogs in particular) are like kids. You shouldn't have them if you can't take care of them or aren't able or willing to spend enough time on them.
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Fri Sep 11 14:28:00 Wrestling with your dog and then hitting him when he plays to rough is retarded. My one husky (the bigger of the two) will sometimes bite a bit harder than necessary and when he does I tell him enough or stop, and I walk away. If he follows and tries to play more I get him to sit and walk away. Hitting your dog is a terrible idea.
Ninja Member	Fri Sep 11 15:34:30 Poison, for the love of god, take your dog to a dog training class as your local pet store. It will teach you how to actually train the animal from someone who has experience and knows what works. Also, try watching Dog Whisperer or whatever on TV and get an idea for what actually works. Hitting the animal isn't going to work.
Nujabes Member	Fri Sep 11 16:15:54 A dog is a dog. It is inferior to humans. I'm sorry but I don't buy into the whole "Man's best friend" shit. Dog's sole purpose is to please the owner. I don't take pleasure in beating my dog, but if my dog tries to own up to me, I let him know who the boss is, and nothing works better than the good old beating. I just slap it once or twice, and that's all it needs to get my dog to behave.
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Fri Sep 11 16:38:21 "I just slap it once or twice" "After five hits or so, he quiets down and goes back to his place" Liar You obviously shouldn't own a dog. I can't imagine you being able to be a father to a family if you can't even control a dog without beating it. I assume you'll be getting a wife smaller than you so you can beat her too?
Kaylana Moderator	Fri Sep 11 16:41:30 Your form of punishing the dog is not considered the norm, Poison -_-
Nujabes Member	Fri Sep 11 16:44:35 Ubes, a dog and a child are different. One is an animal, the other is a human.
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Fri Sep 11 16:45:51 Your wife is going to be a child?? Figures.
Nujabes Member	Fri Sep 11 16:46:26 You are a fucking moron, mike.
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Fri Sep 11 16:50:31 lol
poisons dog New Member	Fri Sep 11 17:24:04 woof. Please help. woof woof. He holds me down and trys to stick his "baby pickle" in me and then beats me for refusing. woof woof. If things dont improve i'm going to jump in front of the next car I see.
poisons dog Member	Fri Sep 11 17:25:55 woof woof Did one of you tell him to squeeze my balls everytime I refuse to sit? *hides head under paws*
Ninja Member	Fri Sep 11 18:14:16 "It is inferior to humans." And it is... which is why you need to understand how a dog actually acts and behaves to understand how to get it to do what you want it to do. Being superior doesn't mean you get to do whatever the fuck you want and be right, it means you (should) have the means to bring about the behavior you want through superior thinking "and nothing works better than the good old beating." Clearly, your good old beating isn't working and anyone who knows anything knows not only is it needlessly cruel but it is also is likely to cause the dog to act out (biting, shitting, etc) Then again, you're korean so I guess it's an improvement that you're not eating the poor things...
Kaylana Moderator	Fri Sep 11 18:23:38 My specialty is also not dogs.
talon121 Member	Fri Sep 11 18:28:23 He's just trolling you guys. You already gave him plenty of helpful information.
Firestorm Phoenix Member	Fri Sep 11 21:17:15 POison beats animals. Got it.
Firestorm Phoenix Member	Fri Sep 11 21:25:30 "I don't take pleasure in beating my dog, but if my dog tries to own up to me, I let him know who the boss is, and nothing works better than the good old beating. I just slap it once or twice, and that's all it needs to get my dog to behave." -Big man has to feel big by beating an animal. Big man feels his manhood threated by small animal, so has to reclaim it by beating it. God, you are sick fuck Poison. People like you are scum and need to die to make room for someone worth the air you waste.
ehcks Member	Sat Sep 12 11:50:46 You. Do. NOT. Hit. Animals. People are animals. You don't hit them either.
OsamaIsDaWorstPresid Member	Sat Sep 12 12:05:59 nuthing rong wit hitin niggas
talon121 Member	Sat Sep 12 12:06:39 I'm going to punish my children by hitting them. Hitting them properly of course.
pillz Member	Sat Sep 12 12:07:24 just dont leave marks that your pastor will see when hes raping them, talon.
FSB SDANWMU	Sat Sep 12 22:33:33 Eat the dog. You know you want to. Dirty Asian.
TheGrimReaper Member	Sat Sep 12 22:43:40 "I'm sorry but I don't buy into the whole "Man's best friend" shit. Dog's sole purpose is to please the owner." Actually... A dogs sole purpose is to aid in the hunt. But as we moved away from being hunter/gatherers we found ourselves still having or canines with us, so they shifted into being companions. PS. If you think a pet(aka dog)'s sole purpose is to please it's owner then you're more fucked in the head than I thought.
TheGrimReaper Member	Sat Sep 12 22:45:28 Oh yeah. And like hell is a dog inferior to humans. Hell nearly nothing on this planet is inferior to humans. We're essentially the only species that kills it's own members for the hell of it (Apparently chimps do as well, so maybe it's a primate thing)
TheGrimReaper Member	Sat Sep 12 22:47:38 or = our
Nujabes Member	Sat Sep 12 22:54:51 maltese is a toy dog. It's there to please the owner so they don't become bored. That's their sole purpose. I don't live in ghetto so I don't need it as a security purpose (it's a fucking maltese). And I'm not going to get philosophical here. Go do that in UP.
Camaban Moderator	Sat Sep 12 22:57:07 You make me sick. It's a puppy. It's energetic, it wants attention, and for some reason, it thinks that even your attention is better than nothing. Think of it like a child. Children play. Re: It wanting your food. Of course it does, it's not an idiot. What you cook for yourself is going to be far better than what you give it. If the positions were reversed, you'd do the same thing. My old dog refused to eat until he saw what everyone else was having. And if you can't make your dog acknowledge you as superior without the use of regular violence, there's something very... insignificant about you. My last one (before he went deaf, obviously. After it went mostly deaf, this changed to a yell if I wanted it to blink at me) came and went at the snap of fingers or click of my tongue. At worst, a pointed finger and an angry snarl. Also remember that while dogs (like most sensible things) don't like being beaten, they love being ordered around. It's involvement. My previous ones couldn't get enough of it. (y'know, until the arthritis kicked in. But by the time it's that age, it's an old man. Most people wouldn't order a grandfather to move around for no particular reason on a cold night either) Finally, an intelligent dog can eventually understand a vocabulary of one to two hundred (monosyllabic. They don't absorb anything past the first syllable) words. Make use of this. Gestures are also useful. And for a bit more info about your dog, google it. http://www.dog-pictures.co.uk/dog-breeds/maltese-dogs.shtml For everyone else, the above is what he's apparently smacking the shit out of.
TheGrimReaper Member	Sat Sep 12 22:58:23 No. Their purpose is to be a -companion- to their owner. A -pet-. If you want something to please you and stop you from being bored(With out the hassle of actually properly caring for a pet and not just beating the snot out of it), buy a remote controlled car.
Nujabes Member	Sat Sep 12 23:01:58 He's a companion to keep me from being bored. I give him attention and playtime he wants so he doesn't get bored, just as he keeps me from being bored by being alive and small.
Camaban Moderator	Sat Sep 12 23:03:41 You shouldn't have bought a dog... The mentality displayed right there is more than a little disturbing.
TheGrimReaper Member	Sat Sep 12 23:03:59 "(monosyllabic. They don't absorb anything past the first syllable)" It's the barking thing! And yeah. He's smacking the shit out of one of the most adorable little breeds in existence! And hey look! "Maltese dogs were bred originally to be companion dogs for the rich and famous or those who just needed some company in their life." Companions! Not toys! As a side note. Cama, what breed is/was your dogs? I'm more of a cat person myself, but before my family moved to NZ we had a West Highland White Terrier. As a breed that have a shit ton of personality. I miss that dog ;_;
TheGrimReaper Member	Sat Sep 12 23:05:41 ... *"As a breed -they-" I'm just ripping out the typos tonight.
Camaban Moderator	Sat Sep 12 23:06:51 Companions, definitely. They're intelligent, living things that have the fatal flaw of that they will put complete faith and trust in their owner. TGR: Just looked that up. Cute. My last two dogs were Border Collies.
Nujabes Member	Sat Sep 12 23:09:12 "Companions! Not toys! " I never said they were toys, dipshit.
TheGrimReaper Member	Sat Sep 12 23:09:40 Oh and as a side-side note. Kay might be able to confirm/deny this, but I believe it's been shown that people who are cruel to animals (especially dogs)or view them as "inferior" can easily go to the next "step" and apply that cruelty/contempt to people. So grats Poison! You're only a couple of steps away from being a murderer! From a psychological stand-point.
Camaban Moderator	Sat Sep 12 23:11:01 >>I never said they were toys, dipshit. << Not in so many words. But you have stated that it's there to stop you from becoming bored, and that its sole purpose is to please you. You could start arguing the difference, but by this time you're arguing semantics.
TheGrimReaper Member	Sat Sep 12 23:13:48 "maltese is a toy dog. It's there to please the owner so they don't become bored. That's their sole purpose. I don't live in ghetto so I don't need it as a security purpose (it's a fucking maltese)." How do you not recall what you, yourself, wrote a mere... Let's see... 15 minutes ago. The sole purpose of a -toy- is to please it's owner so the owner does not get bored. The purpose of a -dog- and a -pet- is to be companion, so it's owner doesn't get lonely. "They're intelligent, living things that have the fatal flaw of that they will put complete faith and trust in their owner." And that is kinda the reason I'm a cat person. They tend to be cynical bastards, much like me. Also, don't like the pack-mentality of dogs, which I think is part of the reason for said fatal flaw.
Nujabes Member	Sat Sep 12 23:16:00 I never said my dog was a toy. I clearly said he's my companion. You seem to be an expert at selective comprehension.
Camaban Moderator	Sat Sep 12 23:17:15 >>I never said my dog was a toy. I clearly said he's my companion. You seem to be an expert at selective comprehension. << If you honestly viewed it as your companion, and not just something that's there for your amusement, you wouldn't have started a thread seeking advice on how to beat it.
Nujabes Member	Sat Sep 12 23:21:00 Camaban, go back to UP. I don't bother you, so why bother me here?
Camaban Moderator	Sat Sep 12 23:25:48 >>Camaban, go back to UP. I don't bother you, so why bother me here? << Because you're a sick fuck who's asking for advice on how to beat a poor, defenseless animal that probably barely comes up to his calf. Now if you're upset at being shown up for this, that's a problem. But me going back to UP won't change this fact. What you COULD do, however, if you weren't a pathetic little man who feels the need to beat up on something about 2% of his size is look at the advice I posted, and take it as the advice of someone who has been constantly exposed to dogs constantly since he was one.
Nujabes Member	Sat Sep 12 23:28:33 There must be some image in your head with me with a stick constantly beating the dog every opportunity I have. No. Most of the time, my dog and I get along very well. He misses me when I'm gone and wiggles his tail when greeting me. He loves playing with my hand and love to play chase. Is this the behavior of a dog that lives under a constant fear of getting beat up and whatnot? I'm not as evil as you seem to think. It's just that we share a different kind of method when it comes to discipline. I don't beat my dog hard. I don't punch it. I don't kick him hard enough to send him flying down to crash into the other side of the wall. You guys should stop over-reacting.
Camaban Moderator	Sat Sep 12 23:31:48 It's a puppy, it's lonely and it doesn't know any better. If you don't want people to overreact, you probably shouldn't post a thread asking for advice on how to beat your hungry dog.11
Nujabes Member	Sat Sep 12 23:35:14 I expected advises, not people calling me "sickfuck" and "murderer" and whatnot.
TheGrimReaper Member	Sat Sep 12 23:36:21 "I never said my dog was a toy. I clearly said he's my companion. You seem to be an expert at selective comprehension. " Uh... You don't understand your own posts, and you accuse me of not being able to comprehend written English? Let me quote you again! "maltese is a toy dog. It's there to please the owner so they don't become bored. That's their sole purpose. I don't live in ghetto so I don't need it as a security purpose (it's a fucking maltese)." "It's there to please the owner so they don't become bored. That's their sole purpose." "That's their sole purpose." The thing you describe in those last to sentences I quoted? That would be a toy. Not a companion... Oh and a toy dog looks like this. http://ask...dpress.com/2009/01/toy_dog.jpg
TheGrimReaper Member	Sat Sep 12 23:38:50 PS. It's "advice"
Nujabes Member	Sat Sep 12 23:39:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_dog Don't ever discuss dog with me again, you stupid fuck.
TheGrimReaper Member	Sat Sep 12 23:40:29 "dogs"
Palem Person.	Sat Sep 12 23:40:31 Poison's below average written communication level is showing.
Camaban Moderator	Sat Sep 12 23:41:17 >>I expected advises, not people calling me "sickfuck" and "murderer" and whatnot. << Read my advice and you'll find that there's some useful stuff there. If you can get over the fact that people are going to be disgusted when you ask for advice on how to beat a tiny puppy because it's hungry and bright enough to know that your food is better. And nobody has called you a murderer. Just that you're someone who seems to be on his way there. (Y'know, the whole psychopath thing)
TheGrimReaper Member	Sat Sep 12 23:43:57 Oh, and thanks for the Wikipedia link. I couldn't be fucked looking it up myself. Clicking is so much more convenient. "bred down in size for a particular kind of work or to create a pet of convenient size. In the past, very small dogs not used for hunting were kept as symbols of affluence, as watchdogs, and for the very important health function of attracting fleas away from their owners." Funny how in that bit there it mentions nothing of them being bred down in size to "keep it's owner from being bored and having no other purpose".
Nujabes Member	Sat Sep 12 23:48:05 I have no time for this nonsense. You are all just playing with semantics here. I'm out for now. Have fun beating off to my posts, fuckfaces.
TheGrimReaper Member	Sat Sep 12 23:48:51 See you in five minutes, furfag.
Palem Person.	Sat Sep 12 23:49:04 Have fun raping drunk, underage girls and beating your dog poison.
Camaban Moderator	Sat Sep 12 23:50:54 >>I have no time for this nonsense. You are all just playing with semantics here. I'm out for now. Have fun beating off to my posts, fuckfaces. << You're the one who asked for advice on how to beat your hungry dog and you're accusing everyone else of playing with semantics? Really?
Clitoral Hood Member	Sat Sep 12 23:55:05 he probably doesn't even know the definition of delirious.
TheGrimReaper Member	Sun Sep 13 04:16:37 I like Camaban. Even if he is a dirty dirty UP mod.
Camaban Moderator	Sun Sep 13 04:55:54 >>I like Camaban. Even if he is a dirty dirty UP mod. << 'Course you do. You can tell the character of a man by how he treats his dog. And my last one died old and happy at the end of a walk. He was also in the running for fathering a litter of pups (he was 17)
TheGrimReaper Member	Sun Sep 13 04:58:55 17? That dog was f'n ancient. We had to leave our dog back in South Africa. She died at the age of 14 if I recall. She had sadly developed cataracts nearly a year before that as well. :/
TheGrimReaper Member	Sun Sep 13 05:00:46 And it's not just the treatment of dogs that can tell you the character of a man. I feel the treatment of pets in general can do that. Dogs just happen to be one of the more common pets people have, and one that people tend to abuse more often. Because if you abuse a cat it -will- come back at you with all it's got.
Nujabes Member	Sun Sep 13 05:02:35 http://vid...ay?docid=-7828445982007482326# This is my puppy playing with my hand. I believe i posted this a while back. This is when my puppy was around 4 months old or something. As you can see, my puppy and I get along very well.
Camaban Moderator	Sun Sep 13 05:34:03 >>17? That dog was f'n ancient. << Yes. Yes he was. He was fine until he buggered his hip though. (Claustrophobic. Got locked in once by mistake and screwed it after he slipped when jumping out of a window) >>We had to leave our dog back in South Africa. She died at the age of 14 if I recall. She had sadly developed cataracts nearly a year before that as well. :/ << Sad, isn't it? My first one lived till he was 9. But he was an extremely inbred showdog with epilepsy. Gorgeous animal though. >>As you can see, my puppy and I get along very well. << "Which part should I hit my dog? " "Also, whenever I eat food, it constantly barks, so I untie his leash and let him free, but then he comes up to the kitchen table and keep touching my leg to get some food. I direct him to his own food, but he always comes back and wants my food." (If your dog doesn't like its own food, give it something else. And of course it wants your food. It's not stupid. Our previous ones ate pretty much what we did plus dog biscuits, raw liver, raw meat, etc. It's a tiny thing, doesn't require that much food. Just whack a few more ingredients in when you start cooking) "So I resort to hitting the dog. there are two places I hit - the spot right around the noise, and one right above his tail. After five hits or so, he quiets down and goes back to his place, " "Which area is the best place to hit so it can quiet down my dog without killing him? " (Congrats on not wanting to kill him though...) "I think using force can do wonders. When he plays with me, he could get CRAZY. At one point, he starts biting my finger and acts like he's attacking me. And when things get out of hand, I slap his face really hard, and he immediately stops what he's doing, lies down on the floor with his heads down and stays quiet there. " " (I can't hit him in the public)" (Congrats on not beating it where the neighbours can see and judge you) "That's one reason why I refuse to take him out to walk. " (It's a puppy. It needs a shitload of exercise. If you're not prepared to ensure that it gets this exercise, you shouldn't have bought it. It'll also be a far harder dog to control if it's not kept exhausted. Before you whine that it's too hard or too embarrassing... You're talking to a long term collie owner) So, yeah... Start telling us what a great dog owner you are when this thread is gone, forgotten about, and you've hopefully absorbed some of the good advice that's been given here by people who've actually had enough experience with the creatures to know that brute force only creates brutes.
Camaban Moderator	Sun Sep 13 05:43:15 Re: The whole control of the dog without beating it thing. My neighbours dogs listen to me more than their owners. The right tone of voice (You'll develop it) them being used to you being a bossy prick (they love it) and them realising that you noticing them is normally a good thing will have them adoring you. The only time brute force was needed was when breaking up a fight, or getting it to have a bath.
Nujabes Member	Sun Sep 13 05:47:28 You obviously don't know anything about toy breeds. Maltese and Collie are different. I owned a collie before. It was gentle but big. Did you know the smaller the dog is, the less exercise it requires? Maltese is known as the favorite of the urban dwellers and those who live in the apartment due to the convenience of not having to take it out to exercise as much (Simple running around the backyard for 10 minutes or so is sufficient, according to a guide), and a simple play of chase daily is enough. And no, one thing I learned about food is that you should never feed your dog your own food (especially a puppy) since it can easily spoil its eating habit. By being the "best companion" and feeding him whatever you eat, you pretty much destroy the dog's appetite. So is even more true for a small breed like Maltese. Please stop writing about dogs as if you know everything. Not all dogs are alike.
Clitoral Hood Member	Sun Sep 13 05:49:38 this is where poison goes on about how tastes are different and even though most of the civilized world likes adult women instead of teenage looking women, his taste is just as equal as ours. I mean, dogs.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Sun Sep 13 06:02:13 Man just give him a swift kick to the balls and he will learn fast.
TheGrimReaper Member	Sun Sep 13 06:09:56 I like Poison's standard "I'm losing this argument" statement, AKA... "Stop trying to make it seem like you know about <Subject>. Until you know about <Subject> I will ignore what you say."
Camaban Moderator	Sun Sep 13 06:20:22 >>You obviously don't know anything about toy breeds. Maltese and Collie are different. I owned a collie before. It was gentle but big. Did you know the smaller the dog is, the less exercise it requires? Maltese is known as the favorite of the urban dwellers and those who live in the apartment due to the convenience of not having to take it out to exercise as much (Simple running around the backyard for 10 minutes or so is sufficient, according to a guide), and a simple play of chase daily is enough. And no, one thing I learned about food is that you should never feed your dog your own food (especially a puppy) since it can easily spoil its eating habit. By being the "best companion" and feeding him whatever you eat, you pretty much destroy the dog's appetite. So is even more true for a small breed like Maltese. Please stop writing about dogs as if you know everything. Not all dogs are alike. << Well, you can go on about your theories. But three things are clear and universal for a young, healthy dog: 1. You walk your dog daily. No excuses. Very few dogs get pissed off at being exercised to the point where they pass out from exhaustion every night. 2. Ok, fair enough with not spoiling the appetite (Can't say I'd ever even heard of dogs who'd been negatively affected by that kind of treatment) however, beating a hungry dog who simply knows that your food is better than his is brutal. Ignore it, growl at it, but beating it is brutal. >>Please stop writing about dogs as if you know everything. Not all dogs are alike. << Ok, all dogs may not be alike. However. YOU DO NOT BEAT A DOG THAT WEIGHS UP TO 7 POUNDS WHEN FULLY GROWN. EVER. YOU DEFINITELY DO NOT BEAT A DOG LIKE THAT WHEN IT IS A PUPPY. ONLY A BRUTE WOULD DO THAT. IF YOU NEED TO BEAT A 7 POUND DOG TO ENSURE THAT IT RESPECTS YOU AS THE ALPHA THEN YOU ARE A SERIOUSLY PATHETIC INDIVIDUAL ("but if my dog tries to own up to me, I let him know who the boss is, and nothing works better than the good old beating.") These are indisputable.
Camaban Moderator	Sun Sep 13 06:26:05 If you were something other than a brute who was simply looking for excuses and ways to beat his pet, you'd have also stopped arguing long ago and taken the advice that the numerous pet owners on these boards have offered. Overall, it's good advice.
Camaban Moderator	Sun Sep 13 06:37:53 Read this: http://www...maltese-dog-training-tips.html Pay special attention to this bit: "Maltese dogs should be trained with positive reinforcement only. Never punish your dog, physically correct her or yell at her. "
Camaban Moderator	Sun Sep 13 06:43:04 http://www.bhejei.com/nutrition.htm And this bit "It must be palatable to the dog. If your Maltese does not like it, it does not matter how well balanced it is. "
Palem Person.	Sun Sep 13 09:43:51 "Did you know the smaller the dog is, the less exercise it requires?" ROFL-FUCKING-COPTER! That certainly explains the English Mastiff I used to know. Different dog types have different amount of energy levels. The size does not matter. Poison, please don't post about things that you obviously do not know.
camaban Moderator	Sun Sep 13 16:27:33 And don't beat your dog. Also don't excuse beating your dog.
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Mon Sep 14 01:54:09 Hey Poison. You're a murderer.
Ssibal Member	Mon Sep 14 02:22:15 You guys don't know shit. so STFU.
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Mon Sep 14 02:31:05 Still a murderer.
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