Utopia Talk / Politics / but muh freedumbs?

TheChildren rank	Sun Jul 19 13:14:34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHea0bcCtA buhahhaaa kevins daily propfunda vs daily realitiez decades of actual superior govern, gettin things done... real realties. versus ur daily bs propfunda lol
TheChildren rank	Sun Jul 19 13:14:47 full intaview segment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhfHfmEMa40
Habebe rank	Tue Jul 21 01:06:38 He forgets one glaring elephant in the room. Mr wonderful isn't the only one who doesn't want to live in china. China has net outflow of people, always has since 1950 when they started documenting that. And I looked into a bit, because I figured some people would argue, China makes it difficult to immigrate....its more than that, no one except maybe you WANTS to immigrate to China. When people are asked where they WANT to move its the US, EU, canada, Australia. If China was really a utopia, people would WANT to go, the reality by hard numbers are people are fleeing.
TheChildren rank	Tue Jul 21 07:47:42 nice cope u got there nobody cares bout olreary, they dunt want him there either is about da facts given 2 him. ur countries decayin infrastructures, homeless peoples, crimes, unaffordable healthcare etc etc
Habebe rank	Wed Jul 22 02:10:53 Point is, if China was so great, why doesnt anyone want to move there? Why does everyone want to move to the west? People vote with there feet.
TheChildren rank	Wed Jul 22 08:20:53 u is clueless son, theres plenty of ppls movin 2 china. u is literally clueless not just homeless peoples. but rich highly educated affluent peoples. peoples who xperienced life in ur country, sometimes even grew up there, chose china over u. buhahaha dats why u is copin
jergul rank	Wed Jul 22 13:10:21 Habebe China is an virtually a uniethnic state that does not need or even want external immigration. The reason is simple. It has a huge internal population reserve.
Average Ameriacn rank	Wed Jul 22 14:06:50 China is shrinking! More than 3 million people lost last year!
murder rank	Wed Jul 22 14:51:37 Speaking of China ... does anyone know if Camaban ever made it back out? I have some vague recollection of him mentioning that he was moving there ages ago. -
TheChildren rank	Wed Jul 22 15:30:45 camaturd was neva chinesie he was a kangaroo from down unda. he was made 2 shut da fuck up ova da last 20 years after he realized how wrong he is bout china on everythin dat little returdo is live in backwards 1910 and if he went 2 china which is 2075... while trashtalkin bout how superors and shit they was back in kangarooland yeaaa no. real life owned him hard
Habebe rank	Wed Jul 22 16:54:41 Jergul, The thing is, no one even wants to move to China. If everyone who wanted to move to a country did....chinas population would shrink and the US would grow 60%. I already covered "they dont want ppl to immigrate" they are facing the sharpest major demographic shock of any modern major nation. Far more severe than Japans. Its not just China gatekeeping, China couldnt use immigration as a fix if they wanted to, no ome wants to move to China.
Habebe rank	Wed Jul 22 16:56:19 People know they can move to the US or EU and have a bettet life. Thats it in a nut shell.
jergul rank	Wed Jul 22 17:30:22 To fix what habebe? What would increased immigration fix that migration from rural districts does not fix?
jergul rank	Wed Jul 22 17:44:35 habebe Look at the countries with the lowest dependency ratios. I think you know how those countries did that. They are the countries people "want to move to" based on how many as a percent of the populations they are. If China ever needs to import people to wash bums and clean streets, it will. On Qatari contracts. https://en..._countries_by_dependency_ratio
williamthebastard rank	Wed Jul 22 17:48:37 Meanwhile, the European communisistical hellholes are the happiest places on Planet Earth Culture>Happiest Countries in the World 2026 Best/Worst Happiest Countries in the World 2026 World World Happiness Score World Happiness Rank World Happiness Score (0-10) Finland Flag Finland 7.74 1st Denmark Flag Denmark 7.52 2nd Iceland Flag Iceland 7.52 3rd Sweden Flag Sweden 7.35 4th Netherlands Flag Netherlands 7.31 5th Costa Rica Flag Costa Rica 7.27 6th Norway Flag Norway 7.26 7th http://wor...appiest-countries-in-the-world
jergul rank	Wed Jul 22 17:49:08 Finland and France are the two arguably normal countries with highest dependency ratios incidentally. And you are wrong on more severe than Japan. China's worst case dependency ratio projection (75) would match Japan's current one. Japans is expected to rise beyond 90. Or 90 depedents to every 100 work age persons
jergul rank	Wed Jul 22 17:51:32 There are currently 45 dependents per 100 worker aged person in China and 55 dependents in the US. The US is also projected to reach 75 dependents per 100 workers as early as by 2060.
Habebe rank	Wed Jul 22 20:13:28 Jergul, China is ageing more rapidly, also, Japan didnt hit those levels until they were a rich country, not still developing. https://ww...sis-will?utm_source=perplexity
Habebe rank	Wed Jul 22 20:31:57 The point is People tend to want to move out of China, not move in.Hence the net outflow since they have been measuring it. People tend to want to move where they can have a better life than they do now. Most of those people see western nations as that, not China.
jergul rank	Wed Jul 22 22:13:39 What are you extrapolating from that? The UN projections are somehow wrong and China will not have 75 dependents per 100 workers, or about the same as the US?
jergul rank	Wed Jul 22 22:15:22 Not sure the US numbers are fully correct btw. It predates Trump migration policies that will make the dependency ratio worse.
Habebe rank	Thu Jul 23 00:42:47 Your sort of changing the argument. How does the dependancy ratio change the fact that people want to leave china, and no one wants to move to china? Which was the original issue. Now it matters into the demographics issue, but thats really another whole can of worms. Thats not merely how old the populatuon is, Japan IIRC is one of then oldest populations in the world, but it wasnt as sharp of a switch.. .also they became on par with western nations before they grew old.
jergul rank	Thu Jul 23 10:43:37 You original point is fair enough.China does not want immigrants and immigrants dont want China. Hell, China does not even want Chinese migrants and has strict control of who can move to nice areas. Then you started doomsaying about the demographics. If you dont want to extrapolate, then dont.
Habebe rank	Thu Jul 23 17:12:27 I mean, we can. Idk if Id characterize it calling it doomsaying. AI may cushion the fall. That said I think you craftwd the earlier summary quite jergul esque. Immigrants dont want to go China, BECAUSE they will not have a better life. Thr tovernment
Habebe rank	Thu Jul 23 17:13:16 The government is actually trying to lure skilled immigrants more and more. *sent to early when trying to fix a typo.
TheChildren rank	Thu Jul 23 17:40:03 haburbee is reachin copioid levels prolly lives in wandanevaworld land if we is ask worldwide where ppeoples wanna live... china or amurca...china wuld win u is live in denial
jergul rank	Thu Jul 23 19:51:22 What fall needs to be cushioned? Lots of people would have a better life in say Shanghai. Which definitely does not want more people as it struggles the massive influx of workers over the last couple of decades. It is non-sensical to argue that a country projected to have twice the population of the US in the future is actually running out of people. China as a whole is still a developing economy. It has a huge amount of consolidation to do before worrying about its workforce being too small.
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