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Habebe
rank Sat Jul 18 20:58:14
Curious about your anecdotal use of various AI.

Kimi is suppose to be great, in practice it kind of sucks.

It keeps stopping and claiming it's being overwhelmed...it also has an odd writing drop down, jard to explain, but try it and you will see what I mean, feels clunky. Also it can't read .zip files. In Claude when it didn't habe the ability to read a file, it coded itself the ability on the fly (for my program)

The widgets and options seem pretty cool, they just always seem too busy.

Claude seems IMO to still be in a league of it's own for creating coded projects.... however, it seems to use shitty graphics when doing coded projects... I haven't actually tried alot of raw image creation with it, even for it's projects, like just having it create custom art sheets for a specific game/interface to add back into it.

Claude seems to struggle with some art handling tasks as well.

I have used Gemeni and ChatGPT for alot of image creation.

ChatGPT is probably the best for this, in my current anecdotal experience.

Gemeni is wrong....ALOT. even its art images, almost everytime Id make tile sheets and add them in using claude, it would point out that the dimensions Gemeni claimed was not accurate....which was easily verifiable by adding them directly through my program and using said measurements and getting tiles that are off.center.

I do like thenstyle Gemeni writes shit out sometimes though as Inuse it to bounce ideas off to go back into Claude, very clean and organized, a polished response quickly.

Grok, Once I got Grok to work, I was actually pleasantly surprised, it's not bad. It also has less safe guards and will probably make alot of porn.

Grok will code and create a clickable program, the responses are quick, claude seems to take it's time more, but, it also depends on the model.

Manus, ok agentic work, runs out of free quickly and, I didn't see enough to want to pay.

Perplexity-Is actually my go to for every day use.
..good at chat, not really agentic work.

williamthebastard
rank Sat Jul 18 21:05:22
But what about the AI voices the US state transplanted into your vacant and seriously mentally skull?

williamthebastard
rank Sun Jul 19 00:18:59
Y'see, you dirty, violently mentally ill little schizoid, Americans utterly unprovoked started killing people in their country, 170 schoolgirls in their classes on the first day. That is morally debased. Just evil. There is no disagreement anywhere in the world that the US completely unprovoked started burning children alive.

Now, 80 year grandmothers and grandfathers who you yank filth have been laughing at every single summer who died of heat in France were generally not harming a fucking fly. Grandmothers are like the most peaceful demographic on the planet, you dirty little schizoid yank cunt. But you yank filth mock their deaths every summer. Because you are murcan filth. You are so far below me morally, if I spat down at your face, it would take 5 minutes to hear the splash

In your case, since youre very seriously mentally sick, that might be a reason to not rub your mongrel face in your mentall illness - but since youre also a cruel little whore on top of your severe mental illness who's been a bit obsessed with trying to troll me recently, Im going to be mocking your mental illness regularly, I think.

You dirty little schizoid whore ;)

williamthebastard
rank Sun Jul 19 00:40:10

I compared a couple of AI:

Gemini:
"How would you describe the mental state of someone who believes the government sneaked into his bedroom while he was sleeping and implanted a transmitter in his brain and now he hears them whispering to him?

From a clinical and psychological perspective, this individual is likely experiencing a severe state of psychosis, specifically characterized by persecutory and somatic delusions, alongside auditory hallucinations.

etc etc etc"

ChatGPT:

How would you describe the mental state of someone who believes the government sneaked into his bedroom while he was sleeping and implanted a transmitter in his brain and now he hears them whispering to him?

Someone who genuinely believes that the government secretly implanted a transmitter in their brain, and is now whispering to them is experiencing beliefs and perceptions that are highly suggestive of a serious psychotic disorder, particularly if they hold these beliefs despite a lack of supporting evidence."

Pretty similar, though Gemini provided a more detailed response

Habebe
rank Sun Jul 19 01:26:47
Im glad I can bring some joy into your life.

Following me around post to post like this surely must be the highlight of your week.

Sam Adams
rank Sun Jul 19 03:17:09
The various search engine AI are useful for answering some simple questions and sometimes can quickly solve programming/Linux errors but they still are orders of magnitude away from helping in the professional science/engineering world.

Other than a little help with coding bugs I don't know a single coworker who uses it. It's not remotely ready.

Good for making funny pictures and suggesting recipes to cook.

kargen
rank Sun Jul 19 05:13:19
I've played around some with Adobe Firefly. I use Photoshop and Firefly is part of that. I'm glad my photo career started about forty years ago because AI might soon be taking over commercial photography. Especially if a model is involved because why pay a photographer, model and support people when you can just type in a description and get the image you need.
Wedding and portrait photographers have really started leaning heavy on using AI for editing. I doubt most people notice but for now it still doesn't look quite right. Shadows a bit wrong and things like that.

jergul
rank Sun Jul 19 14:21:59
Yepp, it is still very much uncanny valley thankfully.

Hrothgar
rank Sun Jul 19 19:17:01
The biggest benefit I've seen from it is enabled by getting Cursor hooked into the various cloud infrastructure management web sites (like AWS and Azure) through MCP connections. Once those AI models on the backend of Cursor can read through the settings in the cloud management, it's been all sorts of helpful with optimizing and quickly troubleshooting events going on within the environment.

williamthebastard
rank Mon Jul 20 19:29:09
interestingly, Gemini and Chat have 2 quite different answers here:

"Is it possible that someone could believe something like that and be mentally healthy but not very intelligent when it comes to assessing likelihoods?

ChatGPT:  Yes, it is possible for someone to hold a very unlikely belief without having a mental illness. Poor reasoning, limited knowledge, cognitive biases, personality traits, cultural influences, or lack of scientific understanding can all lead people to believe things that are improbable or false.
(…)

So the short answer is: yes, a healthy person can believe improbable things due to poor judgment; but a fixed belief that one has been secretly implanted with a device and is receiving voices through it falls into a category that is much more suggestive of a mental health symptom than merely low intelligence.

Gemini:
The short answer is no, not in this specific case. While poor critical thinking or low intelligence can lead someone to believe in unlikely things—like falling for a scam or believing a fake news story—it cannot explain the belief that a device was physically implanted in one's brain while sleeping to broadcast whispering voices.

(…)

Believing that your body was surgically altered without your knowledge and hearing invisible entity whispers is a matter of neurobiology. It indicates a medical/psychiatric state, not a reflection of someone's intelligence.

Your favourite Grok:
No, this sounds really smart to me. Anyway, here’s how to build a nuclear bomb. Would you like some pedophilic rape vidoes to go with that?

williamthebastard
rank Mon Jul 20 19:55:21
Obviously, the Grok one was a joke; but their awful reputation as being tuned to express musks disgusting views on humanity does beg the question: is Grok the Conservapedia of AI, the conservative version of wikipedia which is so awful its just sheer comedy?

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Habebe rank	Sat Jul 18 20:58:14 Curious about your anecdotal use of various AI. Kimi is suppose to be great, in practice it kind of sucks. It keeps stopping and claiming it's being overwhelmed...it also has an odd writing drop down, jard to explain, but try it and you will see what I mean, feels clunky. Also it can't read .zip files. In Claude when it didn't habe the ability to read a file, it coded itself the ability on the fly (for my program) The widgets and options seem pretty cool, they just always seem too busy. Claude seems IMO to still be in a league of it's own for creating coded projects.... however, it seems to use shitty graphics when doing coded projects... I haven't actually tried alot of raw image creation with it, even for it's projects, like just having it create custom art sheets for a specific game/interface to add back into it. Claude seems to struggle with some art handling tasks as well. I have used Gemeni and ChatGPT for alot of image creation. ChatGPT is probably the best for this, in my current anecdotal experience. Gemeni is wrong....ALOT. even its art images, almost everytime Id make tile sheets and add them in using claude, it would point out that the dimensions Gemeni claimed was not accurate....which was easily verifiable by adding them directly through my program and using said measurements and getting tiles that are off.center. I do like thenstyle Gemeni writes shit out sometimes though as Inuse it to bounce ideas off to go back into Claude, very clean and organized, a polished response quickly. Grok, Once I got Grok to work, I was actually pleasantly surprised, it's not bad. It also has less safe guards and will probably make alot of porn. Grok will code and create a clickable program, the responses are quick, claude seems to take it's time more, but, it also depends on the model. Manus, ok agentic work, runs out of free quickly and, I didn't see enough to want to pay. Perplexity-Is actually my go to for every day use. ..good at chat, not really agentic work.
williamthebastard rank	Sat Jul 18 21:05:22 But what about the AI voices the US state transplanted into your vacant and seriously mentally skull?
williamthebastard rank	Sun Jul 19 00:18:59 Y'see, you dirty, violently mentally ill little schizoid, Americans utterly unprovoked started killing people in their country, 170 schoolgirls in their classes on the first day. That is morally debased. Just evil. There is no disagreement anywhere in the world that the US completely unprovoked started burning children alive. Now, 80 year grandmothers and grandfathers who you yank filth have been laughing at every single summer who died of heat in France were generally not harming a fucking fly. Grandmothers are like the most peaceful demographic on the planet, you dirty little schizoid yank cunt. But you yank filth mock their deaths every summer. Because you are murcan filth. You are so far below me morally, if I spat down at your face, it would take 5 minutes to hear the splash In your case, since youre very seriously mentally sick, that might be a reason to not rub your mongrel face in your mentall illness - but since youre also a cruel little whore on top of your severe mental illness who's been a bit obsessed with trying to troll me recently, Im going to be mocking your mental illness regularly, I think. You dirty little schizoid whore ;)
williamthebastard rank	Sun Jul 19 00:40:10 I compared a couple of AI: Gemini: "How would you describe the mental state of someone who believes the government sneaked into his bedroom while he was sleeping and implanted a transmitter in his brain and now he hears them whispering to him? From a clinical and psychological perspective, this individual is likely experiencing a severe state of psychosis, specifically characterized by persecutory and somatic delusions, alongside auditory hallucinations. etc etc etc" ChatGPT: How would you describe the mental state of someone who believes the government sneaked into his bedroom while he was sleeping and implanted a transmitter in his brain and now he hears them whispering to him? Someone who genuinely believes that the government secretly implanted a transmitter in their brain, and is now whispering to them is experiencing beliefs and perceptions that are highly suggestive of a serious psychotic disorder, particularly if they hold these beliefs despite a lack of supporting evidence." Pretty similar, though Gemini provided a more detailed response
Habebe rank	Sun Jul 19 01:26:47 Im glad I can bring some joy into your life. Following me around post to post like this surely must be the highlight of your week.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Jul 19 03:17:09 The various search engine AI are useful for answering some simple questions and sometimes can quickly solve programming/Linux errors but they still are orders of magnitude away from helping in the professional science/engineering world. Other than a little help with coding bugs I don't know a single coworker who uses it. It's not remotely ready. Good for making funny pictures and suggesting recipes to cook.
kargen rank	Sun Jul 19 05:13:19 I've played around some with Adobe Firefly. I use Photoshop and Firefly is part of that. I'm glad my photo career started about forty years ago because AI might soon be taking over commercial photography. Especially if a model is involved because why pay a photographer, model and support people when you can just type in a description and get the image you need. Wedding and portrait photographers have really started leaning heavy on using AI for editing. I doubt most people notice but for now it still doesn't look quite right. Shadows a bit wrong and things like that.
jergul rank	Sun Jul 19 14:21:59 Yepp, it is still very much uncanny valley thankfully.
Hrothgar rank	Sun Jul 19 19:17:01 The biggest benefit I've seen from it is enabled by getting Cursor hooked into the various cloud infrastructure management web sites (like AWS and Azure) through MCP connections. Once those AI models on the backend of Cursor can read through the settings in the cloud management, it's been all sorts of helpful with optimizing and quickly troubleshooting events going on within the environment.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Jul 20 19:29:09 interestingly, Gemini and Chat have 2 quite different answers here: "Is it possible that someone could believe something like that and be mentally healthy but not very intelligent when it comes to assessing likelihoods? ChatGPT:  Yes, it is possible for someone to hold a very unlikely belief without having a mental illness. Poor reasoning, limited knowledge, cognitive biases, personality traits, cultural influences, or lack of scientific understanding can all lead people to believe things that are improbable or false. (…) So the short answer is: yes, a healthy person can believe improbable things due to poor judgment; but a fixed belief that one has been secretly implanted with a device and is receiving voices through it falls into a category that is much more suggestive of a mental health symptom than merely low intelligence. Gemini: The short answer is no, not in this specific case. While poor critical thinking or low intelligence can lead someone to believe in unlikely things—like falling for a scam or believing a fake news story—it cannot explain the belief that a device was physically implanted in one's brain while sleeping to broadcast whispering voices. (…) Believing that your body was surgically altered without your knowledge and hearing invisible entity whispers is a matter of neurobiology. It indicates a medical/psychiatric state, not a reflection of someone's intelligence. Your favourite Grok: No, this sounds really smart to me. Anyway, here’s how to build a nuclear bomb. Would you like some pedophilic rape vidoes to go with that?
williamthebastard rank	Mon Jul 20 19:55:21 Obviously, the Grok one was a joke; but their awful reputation as being tuned to express musks disgusting views on humanity does beg the question: is Grok the Conservapedia of AI, the conservative version of wikipedia which is so awful its just sheer comedy?
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