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murder
rank Thu Jan 29 17:02:22
Sen. Paul (R-KY) Asks, "If Reversed, Would a Foreign Power Removing a US President Be Act of War?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYeJoFM5oH4

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murder
rank Thu Jan 29 17:05:05

When Rand Paul is the sane one, you know you're in the loony bin.

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Rugian
rank Thu Jan 29 17:27:50
Rand Paul is usually the sane one. It's your batshit leftist outlook on the world that's in clownland.

murder
rank Thu Jan 29 17:34:56

The "leftists" aren't the ones responsible for the guy on the other side of those questions ... or his mob boss.

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Sam Adams
rank Thu Jan 29 19:00:37
Uh, ya.

And ya the us did go to war against the Maduro regime.
Duh.

Habebe
rank Thu Jan 29 19:45:02
Like Rubio said, Paul has been consistently the voice of reason, albeit often ignored.

kargen
rank Thu Jan 29 19:54:22
Not even the UN recognized Maduro as the legitimate leader.

murder
rank Thu Jan 29 19:58:50

Next week ...

"Not even the UN recognized the Islamic Republic"

Habebe
rank Fri Jan 30 03:18:47
Maduro not being legitimate doesn't mean it's cool to just replace him.

M7 in Uganda just shutdown the internet for a week, and kept his rival.bobbi wine shut up in his house with the military outside.

But Uganda doesn't have much oil.

kargen
rank Fri Jan 30 06:41:55
murder, except they do if your talking about the Islamic Republic of Iran. They also recognise Venezuela for that matter but didn't recognise Maduro as the leader of Venezuela. Nice try though.

They didn't replace him. Not yet. They enforced a warrant for his arrest. If he is found innocent I'm sure he can go back.

jergul
rank Fri Jan 30 11:22:38
So the Trump regime is something distinct from the United States sammy? Interesting. It is then possible to go to war against the regime, but not the country. It would follow that arresting Trump is not really an act of war against the US, simply an act of war against a 2nd term Trump on his way out for age and term limit reasons.

Repriocity is a bitch, aint it?

Habebe
I dont think you will have a legitimate regime in a few year's time. But frankly, "legitimate" is a meaningless term. How a country chooses to govern itself is its own affair. Venezuela exists and is run by its government. Acts of War are against the country, not against some select part of it. We tend to justify actions we take specifically by ignoring sovereignity and think we can act with impunity against actors within that sovereign state.

jergul
rank Fri Jan 30 11:37:00
Kargen
Maduro was outside of US jurisdiction and the US had no legal means of enforcing the warrant.

Like, I dont really mind that we are formally stepping away from the pretence of a rules based order in global affairs. Rules for thy, not for me was getting a bit tiresome, so good to establish there are no rules at all for anyone.

But rather a shame to give up that pillar of Western dominance. It served us (and the US) well for longer than I have been alive.

But it is what it is.

jergul
rank Fri Jan 30 11:38:26
And the winner in all this?

China of course.

GG.

murder
rank Fri Jan 30 16:26:41

"murder, except they do if your talking about the Islamic Republic of Iran."

My point was that come next week you won't care. You'll be spewing bullshit in defense of Trump's actions like you just did ...

"They didn't replace him. Not yet. They enforced a warrant for his arrest. If he is found innocent I'm sure he can go back."

... with Venezuela.

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Sam Adams
rank Fri Jan 30 18:50:10
"is then possible to go to war against the regime, but not the country."

Sure. Especially in cases where you have an unelected dictator like Maduro or Iran. Trump of course isn't in that class of retards yet.

Sam Adams
rank Fri Jan 30 18:52:54
"Maduro was outside of US jurisdiction and the US had no legal means of enforcing the warrant. "

Lol recent history has proved you completely wrong. Maduro was very much within the jurisdiction of the US military and that was all legal since Maduro was a retarded tyrant.

Forwyn
rank Fri Jan 30 19:00:14
Much better to drop missiles on their last known location, attempting to assassinate them several times, until you have degraded their defenses sufficiently to allow an Islamist mob to lynch them.

Habebe
rank Fri Jan 30 19:00:27
I may have spoken too soon....lol

https://ap...44abc4782ff74352654077615ef012

Apparently wine has been accused of kidnapping himself.

patom
rank Fri Jan 30 19:26:54
As if Maduro was the real target. The question should be is where are these bank accounts where Trump is depositing the money from the sale of oil that was pirated on the high seas?
Another question is how soon will Trump send our troops into Venezuela to secure the oil fields?

jergul
rank Fri Jan 30 19:39:09
Yes, sammy, like I said. It is refreshing that we have moved passed a rules based order. Why you bother with those pathetic justifications is beyond me. Anyone can do whatever they like.

And China wins. GG.

Sam Adams
rank Fri Jan 30 19:41:32
Jergul you are taking the fall of soviet bloc power and the continued rise of american power very poorly.

It's funny.

jergul
rank Fri Jan 30 19:42:45
Continued rise of Chinese power*

Fixed that for you sammy.

Sam Adams
rank Fri Jan 30 19:46:29
So you are abandoning rooting for Russia and Russian proxies and switching to China? Russia failed so many times that even you are no longer supporting them?

Lmfao.

jergul
rank Fri Jan 30 21:28:15
China has 50 times the shipbuilding capacity of the US. You do the math. If you remember how.

Pillz
rank Fri Jan 30 21:38:22
It does appear as though the Chinese will beat the zionist american empire in the long run - which just means humanity is plunged back into the stone age and slowly driven to extinction.

Maybe (((((Cherub Cow))))) can explain how the jews avoid the fate of humanity. Lizard DNA, perhaps?

Sam Adams
rank Fri Jan 30 22:52:14
So that's a yes jergul?

jergul
rank Fri Jan 30 22:59:09
Nope.

Habebe
rank Sat Jan 31 00:56:37
So, that's its own thread, but Chinese dominance is not assured.

It's economy has drastically cooled down in growth, basic stabilization and moving wo what we would call 2nd/1st world means you can have crazy growth.

Japan was thought to ovwrtake the US for years, then an aging population hit them.

China has a demographics problem of an aging population and its compounded with the one child policy and shrinking population growth, even the Chinese don't want to fuck the Chinese anymore.

India has actually beat them out as the world's most populous nation.

Meanwhile the US has done something IMHO thats amazing....

"In 1990, the United States accounted for roughly 26 percent of global gross domestic product. More than three decades later, and after repeated predictions of China’s inevitable overtaking, the US share remains virtually unchanged at about 25.9 percent, assuming Beijing’s own growth figures are accurate. That consistency matters because the global economy is far larger today than it was at the end of the Cold War, with US output alone reaching an estimated $30.62 trillion in 2025.

The contrast with America’s closest allies is stark. When the Cold War ended, Britain, France, Italy, Japan and Canada together represented around 32 percent of global GDP. Today, that combined share has fallen to below 14 percent. This relative contraction reflects weaker productivity growth, demographic pressure and prolonged underinvestment, particularly in Europe and Japan."

https://ww.../amp_articleshow/126508653.cms

Habebe
rank Sat Jan 31 01:02:21
Now, the US has its own problems, that GDP growth for example hasn't been seen evenly, as the super rich control like 40% of US GDP.

But as far as being able to throw our weight around, we still have that.

What Europeans don't often get is IMO, is that is sort of the trade off.

We don't have the financial social benefits and such as Europe, but the US gets to throw it's weight around to benefit our citizens (well, semi-ideally)

I'm not saying it's right, I'm not here to argue that...but I get it.

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murder rank	Thu Jan 29 17:02:22 Sen. Paul (R-KY) Asks, "If Reversed, Would a Foreign Power Removing a US President Be Act of War?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYeJoFM5oH4 -
murder rank	Thu Jan 29 17:05:05 When Rand Paul is the sane one, you know you're in the loony bin. -
Rugian rank	Thu Jan 29 17:27:50 Rand Paul is usually the sane one. It's your batshit leftist outlook on the world that's in clownland.
murder rank	Thu Jan 29 17:34:56 The "leftists" aren't the ones responsible for the guy on the other side of those questions ... or his mob boss. -
Sam Adams rank	Thu Jan 29 19:00:37 Uh, ya. And ya the us did go to war against the Maduro regime. Duh.
Habebe rank	Thu Jan 29 19:45:02 Like Rubio said, Paul has been consistently the voice of reason, albeit often ignored.
kargen rank	Thu Jan 29 19:54:22 Not even the UN recognized Maduro as the legitimate leader.
murder rank	Thu Jan 29 19:58:50 Next week ... "Not even the UN recognized the Islamic Republic"
Habebe rank	Fri Jan 30 03:18:47 Maduro not being legitimate doesn't mean it's cool to just replace him. M7 in Uganda just shutdown the internet for a week, and kept his rival.bobbi wine shut up in his house with the military outside. But Uganda doesn't have much oil.
kargen rank	Fri Jan 30 06:41:55 murder, except they do if your talking about the Islamic Republic of Iran. They also recognise Venezuela for that matter but didn't recognise Maduro as the leader of Venezuela. Nice try though. They didn't replace him. Not yet. They enforced a warrant for his arrest. If he is found innocent I'm sure he can go back.
jergul rank	Fri Jan 30 11:22:38 So the Trump regime is something distinct from the United States sammy? Interesting. It is then possible to go to war against the regime, but not the country. It would follow that arresting Trump is not really an act of war against the US, simply an act of war against a 2nd term Trump on his way out for age and term limit reasons. Repriocity is a bitch, aint it? Habebe I dont think you will have a legitimate regime in a few year's time. But frankly, "legitimate" is a meaningless term. How a country chooses to govern itself is its own affair. Venezuela exists and is run by its government. Acts of War are against the country, not against some select part of it. We tend to justify actions we take specifically by ignoring sovereignity and think we can act with impunity against actors within that sovereign state.
jergul rank	Fri Jan 30 11:37:00 Kargen Maduro was outside of US jurisdiction and the US had no legal means of enforcing the warrant. Like, I dont really mind that we are formally stepping away from the pretence of a rules based order in global affairs. Rules for thy, not for me was getting a bit tiresome, so good to establish there are no rules at all for anyone. But rather a shame to give up that pillar of Western dominance. It served us (and the US) well for longer than I have been alive. But it is what it is.
jergul rank	Fri Jan 30 11:38:26 And the winner in all this? China of course. GG.
murder rank	Fri Jan 30 16:26:41 "murder, except they do if your talking about the Islamic Republic of Iran." My point was that come next week you won't care. You'll be spewing bullshit in defense of Trump's actions like you just did ... "They didn't replace him. Not yet. They enforced a warrant for his arrest. If he is found innocent I'm sure he can go back." ... with Venezuela. -
Sam Adams rank	Fri Jan 30 18:50:10 "is then possible to go to war against the regime, but not the country." Sure. Especially in cases where you have an unelected dictator like Maduro or Iran. Trump of course isn't in that class of retards yet.
Sam Adams rank	Fri Jan 30 18:52:54 "Maduro was outside of US jurisdiction and the US had no legal means of enforcing the warrant. " Lol recent history has proved you completely wrong. Maduro was very much within the jurisdiction of the US military and that was all legal since Maduro was a retarded tyrant.
Forwyn rank	Fri Jan 30 19:00:14 Much better to drop missiles on their last known location, attempting to assassinate them several times, until you have degraded their defenses sufficiently to allow an Islamist mob to lynch them.
Habebe rank	Fri Jan 30 19:00:27 I may have spoken too soon....lol https://ap...44abc4782ff74352654077615ef012 Apparently wine has been accused of kidnapping himself.
patom rank	Fri Jan 30 19:26:54 As if Maduro was the real target. The question should be is where are these bank accounts where Trump is depositing the money from the sale of oil that was pirated on the high seas? Another question is how soon will Trump send our troops into Venezuela to secure the oil fields?
jergul rank	Fri Jan 30 19:39:09 Yes, sammy, like I said. It is refreshing that we have moved passed a rules based order. Why you bother with those pathetic justifications is beyond me. Anyone can do whatever they like. And China wins. GG.
Sam Adams rank	Fri Jan 30 19:41:32 Jergul you are taking the fall of soviet bloc power and the continued rise of american power very poorly. It's funny.
jergul rank	Fri Jan 30 19:42:45 Continued rise of Chinese power* Fixed that for you sammy.
Sam Adams rank	Fri Jan 30 19:46:29 So you are abandoning rooting for Russia and Russian proxies and switching to China? Russia failed so many times that even you are no longer supporting them? Lmfao.
jergul rank	Fri Jan 30 21:28:15 China has 50 times the shipbuilding capacity of the US. You do the math. If you remember how.
Pillz rank	Fri Jan 30 21:38:22 It does appear as though the Chinese will beat the zionist american empire in the long run - which just means humanity is plunged back into the stone age and slowly driven to extinction. Maybe (((((Cherub Cow))))) can explain how the jews avoid the fate of humanity. Lizard DNA, perhaps?
Sam Adams rank	Fri Jan 30 22:52:14 So that's a yes jergul?
jergul rank	Fri Jan 30 22:59:09 Nope.
Habebe rank	Sat Jan 31 00:56:37 So, that's its own thread, but Chinese dominance is not assured. It's economy has drastically cooled down in growth, basic stabilization and moving wo what we would call 2nd/1st world means you can have crazy growth. Japan was thought to ovwrtake the US for years, then an aging population hit them. China has a demographics problem of an aging population and its compounded with the one child policy and shrinking population growth, even the Chinese don't want to fuck the Chinese anymore. India has actually beat them out as the world's most populous nation. Meanwhile the US has done something IMHO thats amazing.... "In 1990, the United States accounted for roughly 26 percent of global gross domestic product. More than three decades later, and after repeated predictions of China’s inevitable overtaking, the US share remains virtually unchanged at about 25.9 percent, assuming Beijing’s own growth figures are accurate. That consistency matters because the global economy is far larger today than it was at the end of the Cold War, with US output alone reaching an estimated $30.62 trillion in 2025. The contrast with America’s closest allies is stark. When the Cold War ended, Britain, France, Italy, Japan and Canada together represented around 32 percent of global GDP. Today, that combined share has fallen to below 14 percent. This relative contraction reflects weaker productivity growth, demographic pressure and prolonged underinvestment, particularly in Europe and Japan." https://ww.../amp_articleshow/126508653.cms
Habebe rank	Sat Jan 31 01:02:21 Now, the US has its own problems, that GDP growth for example hasn't been seen evenly, as the super rich control like 40% of US GDP. But as far as being able to throw our weight around, we still have that. What Europeans don't often get is IMO, is that is sort of the trade off. We don't have the financial social benefits and such as Europe, but the US gets to throw it's weight around to benefit our citizens (well, semi-ideally) I'm not saying it's right, I'm not here to argue that...but I get it.
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