Utopia Talk / Politics / Jergul - The Hate Crime Criminal

williamthebastard rank	Mon Sep 15 17:22:43 So when AI claimed that a Norwegian moderator registered in Norway who moderates a site on a US server that allows an example I provided of a CC post would almost certainly be found guilty of being complicit in a severe hate crime that carries a maximum penalty of 3 years in prison, I became curious. Since I was curious about this novel legal problem, and since Jergul refused to respond to perfectly respectable requests for reasonable guidelines in PMs, I contacted the police station responsible for the tiny village he lives in, one of the tiniest villages in Europe, probably. I also included a copy/paste of the random CC post I had posted to AI. They have replied that it is possible and that they would need more information to be able to respond appropriately. What to do? Should I send them the link to UP and Jerguls name? (Jergul is the name of some sort of tiny area in this tiny village)
williamthebastard rank	Mon Sep 15 17:26:04 I shall ponder the matter over a cigar and a cognac this evening
williamthebastard rank	Mon Sep 15 17:27:34 The Jergul region seems to be so small that it apparently only consists of a couple of farms and a hostel, possibly inhabited by only a dozen people or so :p
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Sep 15 17:35:51 This presents an interesting question: Is williamthecoward really such a psychopath that he would dox/stalk other users, report them to the police, and seek SWATting and state activity... just because he can't win an Internet argument?
williamthebastard rank	Mon Sep 15 17:38:06 I think, at minimum, that I will have to inform what appears to be possibly the only registered company in Jergul, a company called Jergul, the sort of extreme hate crime according to Norwegian law, that their name is being connected to, so that they may be afforded the opportunity to protect their business.
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Sep 15 17:44:36 You haven't thought it through, have you? :) williamthecoward, you (apparently, if you are telling the truth) are attempting to leverage Norwegian law against a forum moderator. What do you think would be the result of this? Well, this is likely not going to result in your request being granted, which is mass-censorship of the forum. Instead, what will happen is that jergul will no longer be allowed to moderate the forum for his legal protection. So, in other words, your attempt to leverage jergul into doing what you want will only result in jergul no longer being a moderator. Who do you think will moderate at that point? Who would you leverage next? Who else would you attempt to dox or stalk? Would it end there?
williamthebastard rank	Mon Sep 15 17:45:12 * Under another name, of course, since it may well be Jerguls place of employment of 6 employees.
murder rank	Mon Sep 15 17:52:35 If I was still a moderator here, I'd show you what a bad mod actually looks like. -
williamthebastard rank	Mon Sep 15 17:57:38 Of course, rather than responding to the requests for more info by the police station responsible for the tiny village called Jergul in which the hostel company called Jergul consisting of 6 employees resides in, in order to find out more about appropriate guidelines, Jergul could just do what any Mod on an exhausting forum consisting of 10 people would do and reply to definitively civil 3-day-old PMs requesting info on appropriate guidelines :p
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Sep 15 17:59:49 So, umm, "williamthebastard", do you realize that threatening to take legal action against people in an online forum so that they'll do what you want... is... crossing a line?
williamthebastard rank	Mon Sep 15 18:00:49 Nazi Whore is, of course, ignored ;)
murder rank	Mon Sep 15 18:01:33 Or he could do what I'd do and simply delete every single one of your posts on sight.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Sep 15 18:02:22 He could indeed ;)
williamthebastard rank	Mon Sep 15 18:03:30 Of course, a mod with any sense of duty would simply have responded to my simple requests with a few simply stated guidelines.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Sep 15 18:03:31 Of course, a mod with any sense of duty would simply have responded to my simple requests with a few simply stated guidelines.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Sep 15 18:19:23 Although, coming back to this hate site brimming with violent crimes according to European hate laws 6 months ago after a 10 year hiatus was an ugly and depressing mistake and I will no longer be reading the genocidal filth published here. So I think the most morally correct action would be to fully comply with the Norwegian police station's request. I must admit to feeling dirty for having been so complicit in the creation of this hate site, being the one to contact Turtle Crawler, whom I knew had downloaded a copy of Utopias sister site Earth, to suggest that he do the same to create a mirror copy of Utopia on his server. I didnt know it would be used to propagate the lust to murder billions of people. Its more evil than a pedophile site :(
murder rank	Mon Sep 15 18:24:12 bye -
williamthebastard rank	Mon Sep 15 18:32:54 I would imagine the police office would only take a quick look at this site filled with genocidal supporters of a known pedophile and then advise me as to whether it and Jergul violate Norwegian hate crime laws (which it very probably does), and how to proceed from there. I doubt either I or the police could be bothered to proceed from that point, but morally speaking, the Norwegian company called Jergul which relies entirely on foreign visitors would likely feel very strongly about being connected to extreme racism, and thus I am morally obligated to give them fair warning.
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Sep 15 18:47:31 williamthebastard, tou should probably read this and understand this. There is a disconnect between what you think will happen in response to this thread and what will happen. What you are doing here transparently has nothing to do with the forum, its content, or its policies. All you are doing is doxing and threatening jergul with legal action in Norway for some wrongly perceived and cynical retribution that has nothing to do with him anyways. You seem to think that this kind of behavior will get you what you want (censorship), but all it will do is get jergul's moderator status removed for his legal protection. This kind of behavior is also something I'd imagine gets people banned.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 15 19:07:34 Sounds like wtb should be permabanned.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 15 19:12:13 Seriously crossing the line here. Get rid of him I say.
Rugian rank	Mon Sep 15 19:51:06 This is psychopathic stalker shit.
Pillz rank	Mon Sep 15 20:25:59 Reminder wtb gave us his location within a 2 block radius and routinely violates french law.
obaminated rank	Mon Sep 15 20:39:16 So, fagfish seems to think jergul as a moderator of an online forum owned by an american is legally responsible for what other people post on other sides of the world. I don't think that is the case. What is far more likely, if the Norwegian police bother to look at this forum is that they will see all of wtb's posts and conclude they are talking to a guy who is clearly off his meds. I wouldn't take this too seriously. Fagfish is deranged, look at how he is posting here when he claims to be winning. Do you honestly think he could coherently explain why the police should get involved with an obscure internet forum without falling apart and coming off, like he always has, as crazy and obsessed? Like at said, very unlikely any police will look into this. If they do they will see the person they are talking to his obsessed and creepy. Hell. This thread completely exposes fagfish. He should pray the police don't look at this forum because they will immediately see that their investigation is being instigated by an internet bully who is harassing someone IRL.
obaminated rank	Mon Sep 15 20:41:01 In conclusion, fagfish you played yourself son.
obaminated rank	Mon Sep 15 20:42:36 Oh and fagfish, what is your go to slur for me again? Half breed wetback? Better not call me that anymore and better hope the policia dont scroll your posts.
Pillz rank	Mon Sep 15 20:59:54 I knew you'd break, faggot
williamthebastard rank	Mon Sep 15 21:09:50 Company called Jergul in the tiny village of Jergul informed that their company name is used in connection with a violently hateful, extremist neo-Nazi hate site. 'The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything.' - A. Einstein
obaminated rank	Mon Sep 15 21:12:26 I doubt the company is telling you their actions, you delusional twat. Course jergul will eventually post and tell us. Id happily be the next mod if he needs to step down.
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Sep 15 22:16:55 Should williamthebastard ask ChatGPT what consequences there might be for falsifying a report about an "extremist neo-Nazi hate site" that just turns out to be an abandoned forum that he has his mental breakdowns in sometimes?
Rugian rank	Tue Sep 16 08:07:22 WTB literally made a post on here about a week ago where he talked about him (WTB) going out and assassinating rightwing political figures once his cat has died. He is the only one here that actually talks about engaging in violent terrorism on an actionable level. Jergul, do whatever you need to do.
murder rank	Tue Sep 16 12:10:30 jergul is just going to ignore him.
Cherub Cow rank	Tue Sep 16 12:12:36 I mean, it must just be that they're either PMing now, or jergul doesn't care because williamthebastard's attempts at doxxing were too off the mark?
williamthebastard rank	Tue Sep 16 15:55:43 Heh, the cops have gone back and read through the thread without me prompting them and given me two replies now. They’ve misunderstood my question about a moderator in Norway allowing what is considered hate crimes. They say that they could only find one comment by Jergul and that comment in itself wasnt criminal, though others were. Pondering whether I can be bothered to explain what I meant…quite interesting
williamthebastard rank	Tue Sep 16 16:04:52 They probably took some offense to a name so uniquely connected to their tiny region being used in such a criminally hateful environment
williamthebastard rank	Tue Sep 16 16:09:36 Perhaps they think Im a local who's disturbed by "our" region being involved in a neo-Nazi hate site since Ive written in Norwegian, in which case the matter probably takes on a little more significance for them
murder rank	Tue Sep 16 16:10:33 Yeah, okay. -
Seb rank	Tue Sep 16 16:39:24 Firstly, this is properly demented. Secondly, I suspect as a moderator, Jergul would not attract liability. He's acting on behalf of the publisher (TC), not responsible for what CC says nor for putting it on the Web as a publisher or website operator (TC).
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