Utopia Talk / Politics / Israel/Iran

Pillz breaker of wtb	Thu Jun 19 19:54:32 @obaminated You think that Tel Aviv is not significantly turned to rumble or?
Pillz breaker of wtb	Thu Jun 19 19:59:47 http://www...RIFsGGv/?igsh=end3bG01b3k2bzBy
Pillz breaker of wtb	Thu Jun 19 20:10:41 Jews get appropriate greeting in cyprus http://www...fE8/?igsh=MXh3a3k3MnZ5dXFvOA== Cyprus I imagine must have many sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, seeing as it is occupied itself.
Pillz breaker of wtb	Thu Jun 19 20:14:40 http://www...ee6zRHB/?igsh=eDZ5cXd3ZDlweWYy Best summer vibes we had in years
Pillz breaker of wtb	Thu Jun 19 20:15:48 'AI' http://www...tD6uEfX/?igsh=ZWMxYzN0cmMxb2Jw Follow up on reel I posted in the last thread that captured the moment it got hit. Looks kinda bad Obaminated
Pillz breaker of wtb	Thu Jun 19 20:18:52 Hasidic Jews against zionism protest for Iran http://www...qvSzaH1/?igsh=bTc5eHliYjQ2bWFz
Pillz breaker of wtb	Thu Jun 19 20:23:23 http://www..._Nn/?igsh=MTlycnI3YW8ybmJpbw== I thought Yemen were US allies?!
Sam Adams Member	Thu Jun 19 20:53:59 Tel aviv has suffered little damage. The first few waves were stopped almost entirely, and those were the big ones. Paradoxically as the iranian launches become more feeble more are getting through. Interception rate is down to about 75%, but thats still just a couple warheads. Perhaps israel is indeed running low on interceptors, perhaps the iranians are using their largest fastest missiles now(one was a mirv last night), but both iranian launch rate and israeli interception rate are certainly down.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Jun 19 21:02:58 http://x.com/FaytuksNetwork/status/1935847553586671649 More logistics inbound. Rumor has it the b2s are with this group.
obaminated Member	Thu Jun 19 21:16:15 Pillz, you are like my brother who legit thinks Iran has a chance. The idf is flying and bombing nuke facilities. Iran has no air force. Their air defenses are gone. All the videos you've watched about tel Aviv being destroyed are ai. Your entire lack of critical thinking about who is recording the video, why are the laughing and in shock, on a balcony says a lot. Everyone runs. See 9/11 footage as a refresher.
obaminated Member	Thu Jun 19 21:19:20 Also if your conspiracy another jews controlling everything was true, they would show the damage done to tel aviv as propaganda to garner support. The only side that lies is Iran. Which is why the Iranian government is making all these absurd ai videos. It gives faith to people who hate the jew. But the truth always wins out. Iran is being decimated.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Jun 19 23:34:04 "All the videos you've watched about tel Aviv being destroyed are ai." Theres a few real videos of a few real hits on tel aviv. But only a few.
TheChildren Member	Fri Jun 20 02:03:49 hmmm yes well lets see a military man (one of xtrremely few who arent crazy warmongas) who predicted everything since 2022 on da otha hand, angry white bald men screamin blood at a camera like levin mmm yes who 2 believe http://www..._levin_screams_at_fox_viewers/
TheChildren Member	Fri Jun 20 04:14:03 http://www.youtube.com/shorts/GNMRKrUlFhM "sooo much cgi" -samcopiams
TheChildren Member	Fri Jun 20 04:21:01 da latest mcgregor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pO0-49_oCk
TheChildren Member	Fri Jun 20 04:30:39 so apparently it also costs like 250 mill a day 2 use da iron dome system ... holy crap thats billions, i guess we alrdy know who is gonna pay 4 that lol get over that bench and start bendin over
Paramount Member	Fri Jun 20 04:40:00 Trump said he will decide whether to attack Iran or not in two weeks. So he is giving Iran time to smash and destroy Israel as much as possible. Maybe he is secretly hoping for a regime change in Israel so that he doesn’t have to plunge america into another forever war in the middle east.
Paramount Member	Fri Jun 20 04:44:14 Hey Asgard, can you open up an OnlyFans account and stream for us from Tel Aviv? If not you, then maybe your girl-/boyfriend? I imagine there’s a lot of people from all around the world that wish to see the destruction in Tel Aviv. Imagine all the money you can earn?
murder Member	Fri Jun 20 05:10:06 It's not funny to joke about that when there are literally missiles raining down around him. -
jergul large member	Fri Jun 20 05:10:09 I am surprised the US did not attack last night ME time. "Decision within 2 weeks". Last night was within two weeks.
murder Member	Fri Jun 20 05:13:03 In case it's not clear, he could die. The next missile could find him. For all you know the last one found him. -
Pillz breaker of wtb	Fri Jun 20 05:13:38 "Pillz, you are like my brother who legit thinks Iran has a chance. The idf is flying and bombing nuke facilities. Iran has no air force. Their air defenses are gone. All the videos you've watched about tel Aviv being destroyed are ai. Your entire lack of critical thinking about who is recording the video, why are the laughing and in shock, on a balcony says a lot. Everyone runs." You're absolute and total ignorance of military logistics, strategy, or the capabilities of either Israel or Iran is what's causing you to fail here. 2000(plus) targets in >7 days is functionally nothing to the Iranian military. Nuclear facilities are not at all tied to their military capabilities. The Taliban evaded you for how long in mountains. Waged a war for how long. Alright. Now imagine what it looks like when Iran has spent 50 years building stockpiles in those mountains specifically to erase Israel. Bombing doesn't in wars. At least not at the adorably low levels of sorties (compared to the US or Russia) that Israel is conducting. If you wanna insist, like Sam, that Tel Aviv is still a shiny metropolis, and isn't gonna resemble Aleppo in a few weeks, be by guest. But nothing you've said actually changes the fact Iran has more missiles than you can count and nobody can do anything about them. Iran is losing. Israel is losing. Iran is just losing worse. "All the videos you've watched about tel Aviv being destroyed are ai. Your entire lack of critical thinking about who is recording the video, why are the laughing and in shock, on a balcony says a lot. Everyone runs." This is demonstratably false btw. AI is not generating multiple videos from different angles of the same events with perfect environmental consistency (all buildings, perspectives, etc). Fuck. AI even got the con trails right! " Also if your conspiracy another jews controlling everything was true, they would show the damage done to tel aviv as propaganda to garner support. The only side that lies is Iran. Which is why the Iranian government is making all these absurd ai videos. It gives faith to people who hate the jew. But the truth always wins out. Iran is being decimated. " 1) it shows Israel been lying about iron dome/arrow 1a) when you say you got all the missiles, you look dumb when footage of them striking leaks 1b) see Ukraine 2) op-sec. If Iran can see where their missiles are striking they can potentially refine targeting. 3) imo Israel is *allowing* Iran to do this to begin with. 3a) the level of infiltration Israel has achieved in Iran is absolute. 4) I actually take the time to point out AI generated content to people... And I take the time to look at videos and compare them to actual images of Tel Aviv to geolocate the scenes 5) pls demonstrate how to make multiple AI videos from multiple perspectives that accurately, with no errors, recreates the city of Tel Aviv and damage across all examples. I'm waiting.
jergul large member	Fri Jun 20 05:13:47 Murder In very poor taste. But the joke was well constructed with sexual innuendo and stereotyping on doing anything for a dime. Not my kind of thing at any time and certainly not now. But the joke's craftmanship was at comedy circuit levels. Para Still, don't quit you day job. The target audience for humour like that is quite small in the Western world.
jergul large member	Fri Jun 20 05:15:25 Pillz Both are losing way too slow no matter the relative tempo. The distance between Israel and Iran is ludicrous.
Pillz breaker of wtb	Fri Jun 20 05:17:48 Note: I do think Israel can try to stop the missiles - but they aren't. There's no way they don't know where they are or when they're launched. Its better to assume Israel can not prevent it, as that relies on fewer assumptions over all. But the specter of Israeli infiltration of Iranian institutions does raise the question of why can't they, and whether they're letting it happen to entice Trump to intervine. Because there is no way this ever 'ends' without US intervention and 20 years of US troops in Iran.
jergul large member	Fri Jun 20 05:21:58 Israel is trying to enforce a blanket embargo of strike information. Quite successfully I must say. Against that backdrop, you cannot really argue that relatively few images of damage proves there is relatively little damage. ========= Israel’s far-right ministers are ramping up pressure on foreign media over the filming of impact sites from Iranian missile attacks, threatening to have security agencies investigate the media outlets. In a letter to the new acting head of the Shin Bet security agency, Minister of National Security Itamar Ben Gvir said “some” foreign media outlets are “violating censorship orders and committing a serious national security offense” with live broadcasts from missile impact sites. Ben Gvir said he was requesting that the Shin Bet work to “prevent the ongoing, reckless, and dangerous conduct of broadcasting missile strike locations.” The leader of Israel’s opposition, Yair Lapid, blasted Ben Gvir’s targeting of the foreign media. Lapid said Friday that the “decision to put into place a sweeping embargo on coverage is unenforceable when everyone has a cell phone with a camera, and pointlessly undermines the global support Israel has received this past week for the just war we are fighting.” The Israel Defense Forces allows for the filming of certain missile impact sites in Israel, such as Thursday’s hit in Ramat Gan and the missile that struck the hospital in Beer Sheva. The military also coordinates with foreign media outlets at the scene. Foreign media outlets are often joined by local outlets at the impact locations. Journalists working in Israel operate under the country’s censorship laws and can be required to submit footage to military censors for review. In a joint statement with Ben Gvir, far-right Communications Minister Shlomo Karni said “foreign media outlets operating in Israel are violating censorship directives.” “These broadcasts often reveal the exact locations of missile impacts, the extent of the damage, and in some cases, sensitive visual material from the incident sites,” they said. (CNN)
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jun 20 05:34:30 "Note: I do think Israel can try to stop the missiles - but they aren't." Theres 100s of videos of israeli fighters bombing the launchers and burnt our launchers all over western iran. Also the videos of the manufacture/storage sites burning bad with tons of secondarys. Israel is taking a large bite out of irans rocket forces. More evidence is the decreasing rate of fire and the lower than expected damage to Israel.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jun 20 05:37:14 "Israel is trying to enforce a blanket embargo of strike information. Quite successfully I must say." Rofl. This is your latest excuse for why your team sucks? Lol rough weeks ahead for you jergul.
Pillz breaker of wtb	Fri Jun 20 05:45:35 Either way Iranian missiles are finding good targets and arrow is failing. I do however agree Iran is losing missiles to use and to attrition, but contend they have more ballistic missiles than irsrael has air defense missiles. My point is that Israel can't or isn't - stopping the launches entirely. Even with no significant resistance from Iran. You'd think it'd be trivial to just collapse the mountain entrances or something. Take out the roads they use. Something.
jergul large member	Fri Jun 20 05:47:21 Lets ground that fanfiction. Israel has very likely destroyed low 10s number of deployed missile launchers. It has also blown up a few munition depots of various types. Lets say 6 of those. Using stand-off munitions or drones with stand-off munitions. IDF manned aircraft are not habitually crossing into Iranian airspace. But prove me wrong sammy. Link us up with 46 different ballistic launchers being destroyed. I would use a lower number but 46 covers decoys and cargp haulers mistakenly called launchers in whatever links you find. Its called falsification. You can prove me wrong. Go ahead.
jergul large member	Fri Jun 20 05:52:22 Pillz I think launcher or depot destruction is a minor factor. The change in tempo is by design. A heavy initial response to trigger a ceasefire, then much slower pacing that can be sustained over a long period of time while retaining deterrence against US involvement (US bases are nowhere near as well protected as Israel is). Impacted by interdiction possibilities. Rearming has to be done slowly and carefully across significant geographical distances towards eastern Iran. It takes time and lowers the tempo of activity significantly.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jun 20 06:37:56 Lol poor jergul. You can dig up all that evidence for yourself. Suffice to say its out there and if you were properly paying attention you would have known this. But i can see why a soviet bloc fan would not want to pay attention to this war. This might be the most embarrassing defeat in military history. At least iraq had the excuse of going up against the logistic might of the USA and the meso-americans were outdated by 2 entire technological ages of man. "You'd think it'd be trivial to just collapse the mountain entrances or something. Take out the roads they use. Something." Finding every rocket and launcher is not trivial in a country the size of iran. Its got nearly 100m people, tons of terrain, and is fairly hilly. That iran has lost as many as it has is testement to the amazing ability of the IDF.
Pillz breaker of wtb	Fri Jun 20 07:10:50 Steep failures there Sam. Yes, difficult to impossible to target all launchers and caves. But Israel should definitely know where they are. And they're objectively a more urgent target than anything else in country. Also, amusing how Americans always insist everything else is fake, yet usually their own sources are fake (re: Ukraine 99% of the time)
jergul large member	Fri Jun 20 07:13:11 I found a press release where the IDF claimed it destroyed three launchers. So we have that as anectdotal evidence 3 launchers may have been destroyed. The source is however somewhat suspect. So, yepp. Low 10s. Your fan fiction is again dismissed for lack of evidence.
jergul large member	Fri Jun 20 07:15:41 Its such noob numbers. Look at Russia and Ukraine. Both are claiming 10s of thousands pieces of hardware destroyed. Its like, almost as if the distance between Iran and Israel actually impacts on combat intensity.
jergul large member	Fri Jun 20 07:26:08 Just to toss in a relevant metric. Russia is sustaining less than 150 missile and offensive air combat sorties per day on average. This includes both deep strikes and attacks near the line of contact, but does not include drone activity of any type. Russia has a way easier time of it than Israel does for a multitude of reasons. Your numbers are just stupid sammy.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jun 20 07:32:31 Lol jergul maths. Also israel is much more capable than russia.
Paramount Member	Fri Jun 20 08:16:45 Murder ”It's not funny to joke about that when there are literally missiles raining down around him.” I’m not joking. And IDF says Israel is intercepting 90% of the missiles.
murder Member	Fri Jun 20 08:18:48 Then you're a POS.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jun 20 11:40:17 Hezbollah is attempting to launch missiles at israel again and the Israeli air force is swarming all over it.
jergul large member	Fri Jun 20 11:52:39 Finally! Something that is actually in range!
TheChildren Member	Sat Jun 21 00:48:55 da latest! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVt8p7DAcBQ i see no lies being said. he is right, u alrdy provided everything u can. from intel, 2 fatamies35s, 2 thaat shield...lol wut else is left. if they cant get da job done wut else is left. boots on da ground is ur only option left. so u wuld be dragged in2 war. or there nottin else u can do. wut else? more fatamies35s? 200 fatamies on day 1 didnt matter. so yea
Allahuakbar Member	Sat Jun 21 04:41:15 Islam has beheaded the scientific snake of Isreel! No more new weapons will be invented here!!! http://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/rjksvhzngl 'The missiles completely erased decades of research; we will need to start from scratch,' Weizmann president says Shock and sadness are still evident at the Israeli research institute in Rehovot, which suffered a direct hit from two Iranian missiles; Israel Prize laureate Prof. Dan Yakir is having a hard time facing the destruction of his life's project - the now-destroyed scientific research building: 'A great deal of knowledge was buried in the rubble, which could erase decades of research' “It is sad and painful to walk among the scenes of devastation,” said  Chen, who lives on campus. “Beyond the estimated $500 million in property damage, an enormous amount of research knowledge in cancer, brain, environmental and earth sciences has been wiped out.” Professor Dan Yakir, recipient of the Israel Prize in Earth sciences, geology and atmospheric science, stood in shock in front of the building that was his life’s work in the past decade. “Until now, the construction cost was approximately $150 million,” according to Yakir. “This building was built to the most advanced standards—laboratory infrastructure and equipment. In the first days, I just cried when I saw the destruction.”
jergul large member	Sat Jun 21 05:53:17 "An Iranian missile hit the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, south of Tel Aviv. One of Israel's most prominent scientific centres is known for its technological support to the Israeli military in the fields of AI, drones and advanced military technologies." http://www...-what-do-we-know-about-the-wei
TheChildren Member	Sat Jun 21 08:13:11 they cannot stop such precise strikes means that da other guy own da skiez u wuld think all such important stuffs r protected by da iron done itself but nope it is done
TheChildren Member	Sat Jun 21 08:17:31 xcellent analysis of da greater chess game at hand by pepe himself http://www...cs-global-south#comment-stream u play chess, we play fuckin 9d go! da fuck is u even thinkin
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