Utopia Talk / Politics / lasers

Sam Adams Member	Wed May 28 18:59:45 http://x.com/EasternVoices/status/1927782037844287583
Sam Adams Member	Wed May 28 19:02:52 Didnt you say lasers wouldnt work as weapons seb?
Seb Member	Thu May 29 13:43:06 No, in fact the exact opposite moron.
Seb Member	Thu May 29 13:47:43 Literally a few weeks ago you posted a pic capturing a US destroyer testing a Helios laser system in near it and you and I had an exchange where I said both that I was surprised it had taken so long for this kind of use case; and then when you started waffling about American exceptionalism gave you a list of nations with equivalent systems in test or production by that, I think, included this one. I did my masters is arbitrary power scaling of 1050nm lasers using nonlinear optics via gain-gratings about two decades ago. Shooting down slow soft targets like drones is a total non-brainer.
TheChildren Member	Thu May 29 13:57:01 lol yea on a drone thats build with 30 year ol tech and flies 5 miles an hour rofl
Seb Member	Thu May 29 14:01:37 TC: Which is entirely relevant when the issue is the ability to produce and fire hundreds of even thousands of these a day.
murder Member	Thu May 29 15:28:14 "Shooting down slow soft targets like drones is a total non-brainer." At what range? I imagine this would be about as useful as Stinger missiles.
Sam Adams Member	Thu May 29 15:50:21 A lot cheaper ammo though. Thats the real benefit. A laser, so long as you keep it running at a rate where it doesnt overheat, can fire forever for virtually no money.
Seb Member	Fri May 30 02:40:41 Murder: Trying to defend against a saturation attack with stingers isn't going to work very well. You really don't want a destroyer getting overwhelmed by a hundred quad copters, taking enough damage from shitty RPGg warheads that it is unable to defend itself against some 1990s vintage anti ship missile. And if you are trying to protect a city centre from 100 saheed drones every night, again, stingers aren't great logistically.
Seb Member	Fri May 30 02:40:41 Murder: Trying to defend against a saturation attack with stingers isn't going to work very well. You really don't want a destroyer getting overwhelmed by a hundred quad copters, taking enough damage from shitty RPGg warheads that it is unable to defend itself against some 1990s vintage anti ship missile. And if you are trying to protect a city centre from 100 saheed drones every night, again, stingers aren't great logistically.
jergul large member	Fri May 30 03:03:38 Stingers also do not lock on to smaller drones very well if at all. The main limitation is atmospheric conditions if we discount costs (which we can because costs? ahahaha. It is a placeholder for ease of production mostly). What is actually needed is an affordable (easily mass produced in 100ds of millions) proximity round (or equivalent - fletchet would work too) for 30 mm or less. The Russians are working on it, but miniturization is hard.
jergul large member	Fri May 30 12:10:38 http://www...otage_of_a_combat_laser_for_a/ Testing a deploy ready 8,7 kW laser mounted on a vehicle.
Pillz breaker of wtb	Fri May 30 12:23:26 According to the drone interview I posted, lasers are not practical combat because of atmospheric variables. Effective up to 150m, but beyond that things like moisture play a role. I imagine this is tied to the strength of the laser, and is how ship based platforms are able to operate. The dude in the video makes the case that this is the reason most demonstrations occur in desert environments.
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