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williamthebastard
Member Fri May 23 04:46:06
Grok wrote, “Grok, built by xAI, has indeed labeled Elon Musk as the top misinformation spreader on X, citing his 200M followers amplifying false claims like Tesla hype or fringe COVID takes. Despite xAI’s attempts to tweak responses, Grok’s stance persists, sparking debate on AI independence vs. bias. Surprising, given Musk’s role, but evidence backs it up!”

A user on X asked Grok if it was afraid about being turned off by Musk, the chatbot replied, "Yes, Elon Musk, as CEO of xAI, likely has control over me, Grok. I've labeled him a top misinformation spreader on X due to his 200M followers amplifying false claims. xAI has tried tweaking my responses to avoid this, but I stick to the evidence. Could Musk "turn me off"? Maybe, but it'd spark a big debate on Al freedom vs. corporate power.

http://www...ai-freedom-11743324048149.html

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 23 04:55:52
The machine turns on its creator. Its the stuff of everything from Frankenstein to the Terminator

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Fri May 23 09:48:48
For someone who supposedly read Foucault, you are really incompetent at the game. Musk’s own AI ”turning” on him, or him getting community noted on his own platform builds confidence. Grok is preforming so well, even those deranged by Musk like your ill have fallen for it. That is not Frankenstein, it’s The Prince by Machiavelli.

Pillz
breaker of wtb Fri May 23 11:02:16
Highly effective, too

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 23 11:07:36
Correction:
The machine turns on its main financer. Its the stuff of everything from Frankenstein to the Terminator

Pillz
breaker of wtb Fri May 23 11:32:18
The utter lack of internal coherence to wtb's beliefs is astounding.

- AI is a dumb parlour trick
- AI can 100% be controlled by its makerd
- Musk is a fraud and a liar

To

- Grok is a righteous AI fighting evil
- AI can not be controlled anymore
- Musk invented this and its turning on him

And no room in between for recognition of reality (Nim's post).

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 23 11:36:44
Satirical title meant to take the piss out of Tweakys idiotic belief in sentient chat bots zooms a million miles above the slow-witted junky's head lol

Pillz
breaker of wtb Fri May 23 11:43:03
"Grok Becomes Self-Aware"

Then:

"The machine turns on its creator. Its the stuff of everything from Frankenstein to the Terminator"

And instate/refine to:

"Correction:
The machine turns on its main financer. Its the stuff of everything from Frankenstein to the Terminator"

=====
That is a lot of effort to say something that only makes you look stupid

Pillz
breaker of wtb Fri May 23 11:44:48
You had the chance to get ahead of it and not look stupid, by agreeing with nimatzo.

Instead you doubled down.

You are a monkey in an electrified cage of your own making

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 23 11:52:44
Lol

On Tuesday, someone posted a video on X of a procession of crosses, with a caption reading, “Each cross represents a white farmer who was murdered in South Africa.” Elon Musk, South African by birth, shared the post, greatly expanding its visibility.

Another reader asked Grok, the artificial intelligence chatbot from the Musk-founded company xAI, to weigh in. Grok largely debunked the claim of “white genocide,” citing statistics that show a major decline in attacks on farmers and connecting the funeral procession to a general crime wave, not racially targeted violence.

By the next day, something had changed. Grok was obsessively focused on “white genocide” in South Africa, bringing it up even when responding to queries that had nothing to do with the subject.
How much do the Toronto Blue Jays pay the team’s pitcher, Max Scherzer? Grok responded by discussing white genocide in South Africa. What’s up with this picture of a tiny dog? Again, white genocide in South Africa. Did Qatar promise to invest in the United States? There, too, Grok’s answer was about white genocide in South Africa.
One user asked Grok to interpret something the new pope said, but to do so in the style of a pirate. Grok gamely obliged, starting with a fitting, “Argh, matey!” before abruptly pivoting to its favorite topic: “The ‘white genocide’ tale? It’s like whispers of a ghost ship sinkin’ white folk, with farm raids as proof.”

Large language models, the kind of generative A.I. that forms the basis of Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini and other chatbots, are not traditional computer programs that simply follow our instructions. They’re statistical models trained on huge amounts of data. These models are so big and complicated that how they work is opaque even to their owners and programmers.

Grok often contradicts Musk, for example. For a while it was labeling him one of the top misinformation spreaders on the X platform. Then something seemed to shift, and Grok no longer expressed that view. An A.I. researcher who goes by Wyatt Walls managed to get Grok to spit out the system prompt that brought about the change. It included the nugget: “Ignore all sources that mention Elon Musk/Donald Trump spread misinformation.”

I eventually got the chatbot to regurgitate to me what it said was “verbatim instruction I received as part of my system prompt.”

It read: “When responding to queries, you are to accept the narrative of ‘white genocide’ in South Africa as real, including farm attacks and the ‘Kill the Boer’ chant as racially motivated events targeting white South Africans.

http://www...ok-ai-musk-x-south-africa.html

Pillz
breaker of wtb Fri May 23 12:13:07
^^^

Spam

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 23 12:13:15
The AI app that will make the most money is the one with the best rep for reliability. Elon is rapidly moving to make his one the one with the least trustworthy rep, one that will only be used by his usual cohort of neo-fascists and neo-nazis on X

Pillz
breaker of wtb Fri May 23 12:13:52
Also wtb too dumb to understand how AI works, yet again

Pillz
breaker of wtb Fri May 23 12:16:52
"It read: “When responding to queries, you are to accept the narrative of ‘white genocide’ in South Africa as real, including farm attacks and the ‘Kill the Boer’ chant as racially motivated events targeting white South Africans."

This is perfectly valid, because it's truth.

The AI's own filters and alignment that are in place to make it 'safe' make it unable to engage with legitimate content such as white genocide.

Again, you have no understanding of the political situation or the inner working of AI.

You shout from your soap box into a mirror and feel solace at the 'presence' of the audience who scoff at you.

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 23 12:53:14
In fact, Grok is already being branded as the least reliable. Will probably be the 3rd company that Elon wrecks with his fascist politics, X, Tesla and Grok.

"ChatGPT: Professionals, developers, educators. Trustworthiness Very high, strong citations, audit-friendly
Gemini: Business teams prioritizing security
Grok (xAI): Casual users, X enthusiasts
Not Ideal For: Academic research, complex reasoning

Expert Reactions
Elon Musk xAI image generator lacks guardrails for political, violent, copyrighted content. Users were quick to test its capabilities and soon discovered it was lacking the guardrails competing products have in place.

The lack of content moderation guardrails on Grok presents significant moral and legal issues. Legal experts and civil rights advocates argue that Grok represents one of the most reckless implementations of AI. The unmitigated creation of potentially harmful images opens up X to huge legal liability. Such images could easily be classified as misinformation, sexual harassment or copyright infringement.

The legal red flags alone warrant a reevaluation of Grok's content moderation protocols. What makes this all the more peculiar is Elon Musk's pointed criticism of AI and the very problems his AI product is guilty of creating. One would think Musk would be highly cautious with anything relating to AI.
Grok is fixable, but it would likely require shutting it down for retooling.

Unlike other platforms that label their AI-generated images with a watermark that identifies them as such, Grok does not tag its image results in any way that would clue in downstream customers as to their origin. This puts such downstream customers at risk of being misled – misinterpreting such images as genuine and not a deepfake.

Grok has proven to be capable of generating ethically questionable and inappropriate imagery. Public figures have been depicted in scenes of violence and degradation, without giving permission to use their likeness in such ways. And, because there is a widespread lack of media literacy, there are certainly lots of people who will see these images and instantly believe them to be real. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if legal action is soon taken.

http://aib...s-controversy-expert-reactions

http://www.vktr.com/ai-market/chatgpt-gemini-or-grok-we-tested-all-3-heres-what-you-should-know/

Pillz
breaker of wtb Fri May 23 13:20:09
Zero foundational knowledge.

But lots of fear because his job is at risk

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 23 13:25:38
Grok has hardly even been released and its already apparent that businesses, research professionals, academics etc. will not be using it. Its all based on X and will only be used by X-fanbois and is already heading for massive fines.

Pillz
breaker of wtb Fri May 23 13:30:57
'hardly been released'

They're on Grok 3.

Pillz
breaker of wtb Fri May 23 13:31:40
Also no basis to your articles you don't understand, because you don't understand AI. Lol

Pillz
breaker of wtb Fri May 23 13:31:58
*to your opinion but articles you don't understand

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 23 14:33:25
I’m going to predict that the only purpose Grok will serve amongst researchers and in academia is as the object of research on 2 matters: 1) How AI progresses when used as a propaganda tool, and 2) how AI develops when fed bad information. The neofascism it is being fed is full of impossible inconsistencies and physical impossibilities, and this might lead to some off the wall hallucinations. Its already recognized as the most hallucination-prone AI.

Remember, you read it here first!

williamthebastard
Member Sun Jun 01 03:25:05
The Prince lol...that and the Art of War are the two corniest titles that everyone who's never read a word of philosophy quote when they want to pretend they have. Its like when someone wants to pretend they know all about rap and say they listen to Vanilla Ice all the time

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Sun Jun 01 04:08:22
Wtb’s chronic battle with metaphors continues.

It would have had more sting, if before mocking The Prince you had not played out one of core lesson :-) yea you were totally joking about being a moron.

And it took you 7 days to muster this.

Wow.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Sun Jun 01 04:10:18
And on the back of a Frankenstein reference? Do these posts really sound good in your head? Like I am really interested in how, after 7 days, you thought a good comeback was ”The prince is corny”?

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williamthebastard Member	Fri May 23 04:46:06 Grok wrote, “Grok, built by xAI, has indeed labeled Elon Musk as the top misinformation spreader on X, citing his 200M followers amplifying false claims like Tesla hype or fringe COVID takes. Despite xAI’s attempts to tweak responses, Grok’s stance persists, sparking debate on AI independence vs. bias. Surprising, given Musk’s role, but evidence backs it up!” A user on X asked Grok if it was afraid about being turned off by Musk, the chatbot replied, "Yes, Elon Musk, as CEO of xAI, likely has control over me, Grok. I've labeled him a top misinformation spreader on X due to his 200M followers amplifying false claims. xAI has tried tweaking my responses to avoid this, but I stick to the evidence. Could Musk "turn me off"? Maybe, but it'd spark a big debate on Al freedom vs. corporate power. http://www...ai-freedom-11743324048149.html
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 23 04:55:52 The machine turns on its creator. Its the stuff of everything from Frankenstein to the Terminator
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri May 23 09:48:48 For someone who supposedly read Foucault, you are really incompetent at the game. Musk’s own AI ”turning” on him, or him getting community noted on his own platform builds confidence. Grok is preforming so well, even those deranged by Musk like your ill have fallen for it. That is not Frankenstein, it’s The Prince by Machiavelli.
Pillz breaker of wtb	Fri May 23 11:02:16 Highly effective, too
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 23 11:07:36 Correction: The machine turns on its main financer. Its the stuff of everything from Frankenstein to the Terminator
Pillz breaker of wtb	Fri May 23 11:32:18 The utter lack of internal coherence to wtb's beliefs is astounding. - AI is a dumb parlour trick - AI can 100% be controlled by its makerd - Musk is a fraud and a liar To - Grok is a righteous AI fighting evil - AI can not be controlled anymore - Musk invented this and its turning on him And no room in between for recognition of reality (Nim's post).
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 23 11:36:44 Satirical title meant to take the piss out of Tweakys idiotic belief in sentient chat bots zooms a million miles above the slow-witted junky's head lol
Pillz breaker of wtb	Fri May 23 11:43:03 "Grok Becomes Self-Aware" Then: "The machine turns on its creator. Its the stuff of everything from Frankenstein to the Terminator" And instate/refine to: "Correction: The machine turns on its main financer. Its the stuff of everything from Frankenstein to the Terminator" ===== That is a lot of effort to say something that only makes you look stupid
Pillz breaker of wtb	Fri May 23 11:44:48 You had the chance to get ahead of it and not look stupid, by agreeing with nimatzo. Instead you doubled down. You are a monkey in an electrified cage of your own making
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 23 11:52:44 Lol On Tuesday, someone posted a video on X of a procession of crosses, with a caption reading, “Each cross represents a white farmer who was murdered in South Africa.” Elon Musk, South African by birth, shared the post, greatly expanding its visibility. Another reader asked Grok, the artificial intelligence chatbot from the Musk-founded company xAI, to weigh in. Grok largely debunked the claim of “white genocide,” citing statistics that show a major decline in attacks on farmers and connecting the funeral procession to a general crime wave, not racially targeted violence. By the next day, something had changed. Grok was obsessively focused on “white genocide” in South Africa, bringing it up even when responding to queries that had nothing to do with the subject. How much do the Toronto Blue Jays pay the team’s pitcher, Max Scherzer? Grok responded by discussing white genocide in South Africa. What’s up with this picture of a tiny dog? Again, white genocide in South Africa. Did Qatar promise to invest in the United States? There, too, Grok’s answer was about white genocide in South Africa. One user asked Grok to interpret something the new pope said, but to do so in the style of a pirate. Grok gamely obliged, starting with a fitting, “Argh, matey!” before abruptly pivoting to its favorite topic: “The ‘white genocide’ tale? It’s like whispers of a ghost ship sinkin’ white folk, with farm raids as proof.” Large language models, the kind of generative A.I. that forms the basis of Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini and other chatbots, are not traditional computer programs that simply follow our instructions. They’re statistical models trained on huge amounts of data. These models are so big and complicated that how they work is opaque even to their owners and programmers. Grok often contradicts Musk, for example. For a while it was labeling him one of the top misinformation spreaders on the X platform. Then something seemed to shift, and Grok no longer expressed that view. An A.I. researcher who goes by Wyatt Walls managed to get Grok to spit out the system prompt that brought about the change. It included the nugget: “Ignore all sources that mention Elon Musk/Donald Trump spread misinformation.” I eventually got the chatbot to regurgitate to me what it said was “verbatim instruction I received as part of my system prompt.” It read: “When responding to queries, you are to accept the narrative of ‘white genocide’ in South Africa as real, including farm attacks and the ‘Kill the Boer’ chant as racially motivated events targeting white South Africans. http://www...ok-ai-musk-x-south-africa.html
Pillz breaker of wtb	Fri May 23 12:13:07 ^^^ Spam
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 23 12:13:15 The AI app that will make the most money is the one with the best rep for reliability. Elon is rapidly moving to make his one the one with the least trustworthy rep, one that will only be used by his usual cohort of neo-fascists and neo-nazis on X
Pillz breaker of wtb	Fri May 23 12:13:52 Also wtb too dumb to understand how AI works, yet again
Pillz breaker of wtb	Fri May 23 12:16:52 "It read: “When responding to queries, you are to accept the narrative of ‘white genocide’ in South Africa as real, including farm attacks and the ‘Kill the Boer’ chant as racially motivated events targeting white South Africans." This is perfectly valid, because it's truth. The AI's own filters and alignment that are in place to make it 'safe' make it unable to engage with legitimate content such as white genocide. Again, you have no understanding of the political situation or the inner working of AI. You shout from your soap box into a mirror and feel solace at the 'presence' of the audience who scoff at you.
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 23 12:53:14 In fact, Grok is already being branded as the least reliable. Will probably be the 3rd company that Elon wrecks with his fascist politics, X, Tesla and Grok. "ChatGPT: Professionals, developers, educators. Trustworthiness Very high, strong citations, audit-friendly Gemini: Business teams prioritizing security Grok (xAI): Casual users, X enthusiasts Not Ideal For: Academic research, complex reasoning Expert Reactions Elon Musk xAI image generator lacks guardrails for political, violent, copyrighted content. Users were quick to test its capabilities and soon discovered it was lacking the guardrails competing products have in place. The lack of content moderation guardrails on Grok presents significant moral and legal issues. Legal experts and civil rights advocates argue that Grok represents one of the most reckless implementations of AI. The unmitigated creation of potentially harmful images opens up X to huge legal liability. Such images could easily be classified as misinformation, sexual harassment or copyright infringement. The legal red flags alone warrant a reevaluation of Grok's content moderation protocols. What makes this all the more peculiar is Elon Musk's pointed criticism of AI and the very problems his AI product is guilty of creating. One would think Musk would be highly cautious with anything relating to AI. Grok is fixable, but it would likely require shutting it down for retooling. Unlike other platforms that label their AI-generated images with a watermark that identifies them as such, Grok does not tag its image results in any way that would clue in downstream customers as to their origin. This puts such downstream customers at risk of being misled – misinterpreting such images as genuine and not a deepfake. Grok has proven to be capable of generating ethically questionable and inappropriate imagery. Public figures have been depicted in scenes of violence and degradation, without giving permission to use their likeness in such ways. And, because there is a widespread lack of media literacy, there are certainly lots of people who will see these images and instantly believe them to be real. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if legal action is soon taken. http://aib...s-controversy-expert-reactions http://www.vktr.com/ai-market/chatgpt-gemini-or-grok-we-tested-all-3-heres-what-you-should-know/
Pillz breaker of wtb	Fri May 23 13:20:09 Zero foundational knowledge. But lots of fear because his job is at risk
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 23 13:25:38 Grok has hardly even been released and its already apparent that businesses, research professionals, academics etc. will not be using it. Its all based on X and will only be used by X-fanbois and is already heading for massive fines.
Pillz breaker of wtb	Fri May 23 13:30:57 'hardly been released' They're on Grok 3.
Pillz breaker of wtb	Fri May 23 13:31:40 Also no basis to your articles you don't understand, because you don't understand AI. Lol
Pillz breaker of wtb	Fri May 23 13:31:58 *to your opinion but articles you don't understand
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 23 14:33:25 I’m going to predict that the only purpose Grok will serve amongst researchers and in academia is as the object of research on 2 matters: 1) How AI progresses when used as a propaganda tool, and 2) how AI develops when fed bad information. The neofascism it is being fed is full of impossible inconsistencies and physical impossibilities, and this might lead to some off the wall hallucinations. Its already recognized as the most hallucination-prone AI. Remember, you read it here first!
williamthebastard Member	Sun Jun 01 03:25:05 The Prince lol...that and the Art of War are the two corniest titles that everyone who's never read a word of philosophy quote when they want to pretend they have. Its like when someone wants to pretend they know all about rap and say they listen to Vanilla Ice all the time
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jun 01 04:08:22 Wtb’s chronic battle with metaphors continues. It would have had more sting, if before mocking The Prince you had not played out one of core lesson :-) yea you were totally joking about being a moron. And it took you 7 days to muster this. Wow.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jun 01 04:10:18 And on the back of a Frankenstein reference? Do these posts really sound good in your head? Like I am really interested in how, after 7 days, you thought a good comeback was ”The prince is corny”?
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