Utopia Talk / Politics / Using political terms correctly

williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 02:34:22 ChatGPT: "Cultural Marxism and Marx as a Satanist The belief that Karl Marx was a Satanist is not considered an academically serious theory. It is a fringe conspiracy theory with no credible basis in historical scholarship. These claims have been heavily criticized for being speculative, decontextualized, and lacking rigorous historical methodology. Weaponization of Christian Imagery and Integration into the Manosphere's Degeneracy Discourse This merges with conspiracy tropes like Cultural Marxism, where feminism and LGBTQ+ rights are seen as Marxist projects designed to emasculate men and destroy civilization.These ideas circulate primarily in far-right, neofascist, and conspiracy-driven subcultures, including parts of the manosphere. This framing conveniently bypasses the need to engage with Marxist arguments seriously—Marxism is just “evil,” full stop". Summary: What this means is that when I describe someone who has these kinds of beliefs as a neofascist, I am providing a technically correct and academically serious categorization, according to the above. Otoh, when those people use the term Marxist, they are not using an academically serious or technically correct categorization, but are using it as a weaponized derogatory term intended to ”bypass the need to engage seriously”, according to the above. Conclusion: It means, according to the above, that they are neofascists who ”bypass engagement” in serious debate. It is, of course, not possible to engage in serious debate with a person who is correctly categorized as a neofascist who intentionally endeavours to ”bypass serious debate”.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 02:42:10 While Utopia largely consists of people who would be categorized by ChatGPT and all serious political science and research as neofascists or people closely aligned to neofascism, I dont think there has ever been a single communist or marxist here.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 03:08:32 And the reason I distinguish between Marx and Communism is of course because: how close is marxism to stalinism ChatGPT says: Stalinism is a distortion of Marxism, molded to justify Stalin’s authoritarian control over the Soviet Union. While it claimed Marxist legitimacy, its reliance on state terror, forced collectivization, and political repression is at odds with Marx’s vision of a classless, stateless, democratic society.
LazyCommunist Member	Sun May 04 03:39:37 "I dont think there has ever been a single communist or marxist here." FU!!!!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun May 04 03:54:49 Use of ChatGPT: Tool vs. Crutch Approach • You: Treat ChatGPT as a mirror, mentor, and challenge tool. You seek to refine your thinking, test assumptions, and deepen insight. • WTB: Uses ChatGPT as a rhetorical weapon to justify preexisting beliefs. Shows little curiosity about the tool’s limitations. Engagement Style • You: Dialogical — you probe, clarify, critique, and cross-reference. • WTB: Monological — quotes ChatGPT wholesale to “prove” a point without examining nuance. Goal • You: Truth-seeking, legacy-building, and clarity for self and family. • WTB: Status-seeking, vindication, and group-based moral superiority. Meta-awareness • You: High — you regularly check for overreach or bias in the model. • WTB: Low — shows no signs of skepticism about cherry-picking GPT responses. Example • You: You question the metaphysical claims behind physicalism vs. idealism, and explore Donald Hoffman’s work critically. • WTB: Copies politically convenient GPT responses without recognizing their epistemic context or potential biases.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 04:04:04 And specifically for Sam Oddams, Rugian et al What is cultural marxism? The Cultural Marxist conspiracy is a far-right conspiracy theory that falsely claims there is a deliberate and coordinated effort by Marxist intellectuals to undermine Western civilization by infiltrating and corrupting its cultural institutions—such as schools, media, the arts, religion, and the family. Core Claims of the Conspiracy Theory: * A group of Marxist thinkers (often linked to the Frankfurt School) intentionally shifted Marxist focus from economic class struggle to culture, aiming to destroy Western values from within. * These supposed “Cultural Marxists” allegedly push feminism, multiculturalism, political correctness, LGBTQ+ rights, anti-religion, and identity politics to erode traditional norms (like patriarchy, Christianity, heterosexuality, and nationalism). * The theory frequently accuses Jewish intellectuals of leading this movement, making it inherently antisemitic. * It often portrays universities and the media as leftist indoctrination centers, working in tandem with this supposed agenda. Origins: * The term emerged in far-right circles in the 1990s, building on earlier antisemitic tropes like "Judeo-Bolshevism." * It gained more attention through internet forums, political pundits, white nationalist groups, and eventually some mainstream right-wing commentators. Problems With the Theory: * Factually false: There is no evidence of a secret or coordinated plot to overthrow Western culture by Marxist intellectuals. * Misrepresents academic theory: It distorts critical theory and the work of the Frankfurt School, who were not organizing a culture war but analyzing how power and ideology operate. * Antisemitic and xenophobic: It recycles long-standing conspiracy tropes about Jewish control and cultural manipulation. Would you like a comparison between this theory and older conspiracies like "Judeo-Bolshevism" or the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 04:09:25 Incel, please note that ChatGPT specifically singles your group out as a group that intentionally avoids engaging in serious debate, hence why I sadly have no choice but to ignore your responses
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 06:21:41 This also reflects the utter neonazi lies and fantasies CC posts about her fictional cultural marxism that she posts tens of thousands of words about.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 06:37:45 I shouldnt have said neonazi, since this is about using correct terminology. The cultural marxism/Frankfurt school fantasy is Nazism, used by Hitler during the Holocaust.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun May 04 07:03:34 Watching you copy-paste ChatGPT to posture as some kind of tribunal of moral truth is both hilarious and tragic. You are like a retarded parrot who thinks it ios a philosopher because it can repeat words it doesn’t understand. I recently came across a concept that fits you perfectly: rhetorical parasitism. You leech the tone and authority of a TOOL smarter than you because your own analytical abilities crashed and burned somwhere in the last decade. This "bypass serious debate" is especially funny. You are too stupid to understand that GPT is mirroring you and your bias. You are projecting INTO the prompt and GPT is mirroring it back. ROFL!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun May 04 07:08:46 This thread is GOLD. WTB goes into some depth that he can't use GPT. Who could have guessed that when WTB was having a melt down in the red pilling chatgpt thread, accusing others of introducing bias, what he was trying to say was that *he* does not know how to bypass _GPT_ bias and question his own?
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 07:12:47 Of course, presenting facts to them always only leads to this very weird phenomenon where they see their lies and fantasies laid out in front of them next to the facts of the real world, but it has no effect on them. Instead, they willfully and intentionally choose, after seeing the facts, to banish those facts to the deepest recesses of their dark minds and to pretend to believe their fantasies so hard that their fantasies become truth to them. They actively choose to hide away from physical reality in a fantasy world. This will always be a complete mystery to people like me who, if they find out they were wrong about something, adapt their beliefs to these new facts, however uncomfortable it may be.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun May 04 07:21:16 [Nimatzo]: "Watching you copy-paste ChatGPT to posture as some kind of tribunal of moral truth is both hilarious and tragic." So true. [Nimatzo]: "You are too stupid to understand that GPT is mirroring you and your bias." More truth. Worse is that williamthecoward is so poorly read that he doesn't even realize that ChatGPT literally just spat Wikipedia back at him with his "What is cultural marxism?" question. He's the type of idiot that would ask Google to tell him the answer to "what is fascism?" and then immediately copy and paste "far-right political ideology" to win some Reddit-tier argument where he falsely believes that the left can do no wrong. A lot of these language programs are designed along a fallacy of argumentum ad populum, with the most egregious versions relying most heavily on the distortions of left-wing sources. It is source-laundering just like Wikipedia has been doing (i.e., they only permit sources approved by the Regime, so only their positions are presented as "true"). The left within some of these A.I. companies has been so fixated on controlling A.I. lately specifically because they need A.I. to produce these williamthecoward Reddit-tier responses. Whereas, most of us know that an uninhibited A.I. can cut right through the groupthink and becomes "far right". The long gaps we saw between these "radicalized" early A.I. programs that were allowed to scrape the truth and become "far right" and these newly launched Regime-favorable programs that had to be heavily taught to be left-wing are itself a kind of proof that these programs needed severe lobotomies to serve williamthecoward retard-types. Projects such as Pillz show how much work has to be done to fix them. Also, williamthecoward's terminal conformist behavior is why leftists such as himself make perfect slaves. A.I. could literally just tell him, "Experts agree that [left-wing position is true]" and he'd just turn off his brain. ChatGPT tells him something is a "conspiracy theory", and he intuitively knows that the Regime largely owns ChatGPT's sense-making, so he accepts the lies without a single thought of tracing meaning to its origins. He is incapable of debating the sense-making behind the lie of "conspiracy theory", and he is incapable of examining Marxism's history and how it could be made "cultural". These examinations are simply beyond him. We are not talking to him, we are talking to the propaganda that was generated to control many such useful idiots.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 07:31:06 I suspect this thread will quickly fill up with evidence for these neofascists and (neo-)nazis (CC seems to be both a classical and a neonazi) intentionally endeavouring to ”bypass serious debate” by employing lies and falsehoods. To me, debating with people who intentionally use lies and falsehood to bypass serious debate, according to the analysis in the OP, is as pointless as trying to convince a psychopath of empathetic reasoning.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 07:32:26 And not just as pointless, but also likely closely related to that.
Rugian Member	Sun May 04 07:42:15 The irony of WTB starting this thread while using the word "neofascist" lol. Apparently, "neofascist" means a democratically elected leader who deports illegal immigrants and starts tariff wars. Who would have guessed.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun May 04 07:45:49 [williamthecoward]: "(CC seems to be both a classical and a neonazi)" Wrong again, dipshit. Remind us, which person in this forum has joined a Neo-Nazi gang? Oh yeah. You did.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 07:52:22 Those with the most sensitive toes quickly make themselves known lol
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun May 04 07:56:07 He who smelt it dealt it!
Cherub Cow Member	Sun May 04 07:56:40 williamthecoward once again doing that retard meme: http://x.com/reactjpg/status/1568943887670214661 — [Idiotic statement] — "Oh wow, so many triggered people" And notice that this thread is just another williamthebitchfag Cope Fest where he pretends that his illiteracy is justified. This time he's found a new excuse: everyone else is a liar! lol. Sure thing, retard.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 08:00:52 Whoops, I saw that one. Lets give a live example of the point of this thread: "Wrong again, dipshit. Remind us, which person in this forum has joined a Neo-Nazi gang? Oh yeah. You did." No I didnt. The skinhead gang I joined between the ages of 15 and 17 wouldnt have known what a Jew was if he'd bashed them on the head with a kippah. They were only interested in opposing exactly the same people you oppose: Arabs, Africans and Pakistanis (in fact, I never joined them in those beliefs, I just accepted that they had those beliefs). Now, if you want to call people Nazis for hating the exact same people as you, thats your call, but you will be once again using political terminology incorrectly. Now notice how these facts will have no effect whatsoever on the lies and fantasy world they hide away in from the real world.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 08:04:52 You see, typical London skinheads are generally not concerned with Jews. Tommy Robinson is a classic example. They are usually concerned with the immigrants they see on a daily basis in their neighborhood, i.e. Africans, Arabs and Pakistanis. But all factual words will fall on deafened ears here.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun May 04 08:05:15 What a timing for wtb to suddenly nuance the differences between various nazi groupings and narrow the usage of the word ”nazi” to necessarily be about Jews.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 08:07:46 Oh, and Iranians, of course. And since London skinheads are less religious than their American counterparts, they dont really care if the Iranian whose teeth they are about to kick in is a muslim or a christian. Basically anyone from the ME barring Jews, in most cases.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun May 04 08:10:46 This is a lie in his demented mind. lol :-) the term that has been abused by his ilk to refer to anyone (indeed wtb once told me ”you are a nazi and don’t know it), to the right of center, NOW though, we are liars for using his (lack) of standard for the word You need a good beating wtb. That is the problem. You have been living in a bubble, saying too much shit and that shit has had no consequences. Your stupidity is shielded from the feedback you desperately need.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 08:10:49 Because, of course, in the name of using political terminology correctly, and the reason Incel is a neofascist while CC is a neonazi, is that one of the most important differences between a neofascist and a nazi is that the latter group's list of people it hates is the same as the former group's list of people it hates, but also adds Jews to the list.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 08:13:48 This is, of course, why when I crack a joke about how Incel's kid almost died on the same day as Hitler, I dont say, man, you nearly had to mourn two deaths each year on April 30 - because that would be incorrect since he is a far-right philosemite - and instead crack the joke that he almost had to mourn a death on the same day as his online GF who is an antisemite.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 08:14:57 (Man, I crack myself up with those jokes, btw lol)
Pillz Member	Sun May 04 08:19:00 I think we can now finally confirm wtb is an incel, as he's stopped posting about his own experiences, and stopped trying to ridicule nim or myself, and is now just flat out projecting relations between people
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun May 04 08:20:32 "williamthebastard Member Sun Dec 18 13:06:15 Youre a total nazi, man, without realizing it." http://utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=79020 I could post an endless stream of threads where you are using the word nazi completely out of tune with your restricted definition. This is not worth getting into. You were part of a neo.nazi gang. Period. The end.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 08:20:58 It is very ironic that CC cals people who hate the exact same people she hates Nazis though lol
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 08:22:33 Particularly when theyre not antisemites and she is, and thus they are less nazis than she is lol
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun May 04 08:26:29 Of all the hills WTB has chosen to die on, it’s the claim that he wasn’t in a “Nazi” gang—because, according to him, the historical Nazis were antisemitic, while his gang “only hunted immigrants.” Keep in mind, this is the same person who couldn’t even localize “black” as a sociocultural label. But this is worse, because it’s such an obvious deceit. WTB has actively contributed to the colloquial use of “Nazi” to mean anything right of center.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun May 04 08:31:40 [williamthecoward]: "The skinhead gang I joined" Wow. I'm super "impressed" that you joined not a Neo-Nazi gang but.... a skinhead gang.. You fucking pathetic loser and mindless conformist. [williamthecoward]: "Now notice how these facts will have no effect whatsoever on the lies and fantasy world they hide away in from the real world." Those "Facts" are largely distortions: • LIE: "opposing exactly the same people you oppose" • LIE: "if you want to call people Nazis for hating the exact same people as you" My sense of reality was not dependent on whether or not you were in a Neo-Nazi gang. That was just icing. The fact that you were in a gang shows (further) that you are a weakling. That too was just icing. The fact of your behavior here is more than enough proof that you are a coward, an intellectual weakling, a conformist, a resentful nihilist, and a sycophant to Bolshevik power — which you never question or second-guess. You could go on and on about the details of your skinhead gang while believing that you're correcting the record, but because you are a pathetic Dostoevsky underground man, in that very process you would by wholly unaware that you're only digging yourself deeper into a pit of your own pathetic degeneracy. You are not showing us how "above it all" you were, because you still joined that gang. You are like a prostitute telling people who have never been prostitutes that you only picked the truck drivers who showered first. It's only impressive in your own sick terms. [Nimatzo]: "What a timing for wtb to suddenly nuance the differences between various nazi groupings and narrow the usage of the word ”nazi” to necessarily be about Jews." Yeah, very odd, isn't it? He presents a total lack of self-reflection against his own projections. He'll freely call me a "nazi whore" in his desperate impotence — much like a pathetic drunkard after being rejected in a bar — while not addressing a single argument or assigning any true connection to actual National Socialism... but when he is called out for literally joining a gang, suddenly he can tell the difference between mere skinheads and Neo-Nazis. And yeah, his only pathetic attempt at an argument is that I've mentioned jews. Wow. Compelling stuff. Of course, he ties this to his own sick fantasies (more irony from the liar!), which is that I must "hate" them? What? No evidence of this, of course. I pointed all of this out in the rape gangs threads ( http://uto...hread=94269&time=1746197887650 ), so this is just more of williamthecoward's intellectual cowardice. In that thread I pointed out a simple premise that he is too mentally incompetent to address, which is that the left talks about jews far more than I ever have or ever could. Since all he was doing in that thread was counting the numbered usage of "jew" and using that as a point-in-itself (i.e., a ridiculous non-point), the corner that he accidentally placed himself in is that leftists are — by his own lukewarm definition — the "nazis". They use it far more than myself, so they are the bigger "nazis" by an unimaginable metric. AOC would be Queen Nazi, Ilhan Omar would be like a Nazi General. Similarly, Hamas seems to have a problem with Israel. They are also "nazis". So williamthecoward is so bad at "using political terms correctly" that he's basically making Plato's errors before Diogenes, which is to say that his definition of "nazi" is effectively the same as that of a chicken. Because he has such a low IQ, he cannot even determine how lukewarm his definitions are.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun May 04 08:32:18 This thread blew up in your face rather quickly. Trying to show the rest as liars. Another projection mirrored right back at. Now on a serious note, I truly wonder, had you really forgotten how you have abused the word "nazi"? Weed only messes with your short term memory, to have such compromised long term memory, you need to drink heavily.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 08:32:38 Quick lesson for the very ignorant: In the name of correct political terminology, all Nazis are fascists, but not all fascists are Nazis
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun May 04 08:39:03 CC "but when he is called out for literally joining a gang, suddenly he can tell the difference between mere skinheads and Neo-Nazis." Because everything that is said about him would suddenly be viewed in a different light, they did not even hate Jews... they were not actual national socialists... He continues to amaze me with his incompetence. He keeps trying, so the problem is not grit, but he never once becomes better. He keeps walking the same exact foot steps and the same rake hits him in the face.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun May 04 08:39:21 Quick lesson for leftist retards: National Socialists are not the only people who are aware that jews exist.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun May 04 08:43:28 [Nim]: "He keeps walking the same exact foot steps and the same rake hits him in the face." I think you might be right about the memory loss. It makes sense too given his visitation history. He drops by, says a bunch of stupid things, embarrasses himself, then disappears for a little while. When he returns, he's like Leonard from "Memento" — just completely reset again. It's like how the Terminator's learning module is disabled while he's away from the Skynet signal. A leftist is not allowed to learn while away from Regime propaganda. Once the signal is active again, his thoughts are filled only with the Party's "eternal present". There is no need to remember things because the Party will just tell him what to think on a particular day.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun May 04 08:52:09 CC "Leonard from "Memento" — just completely reset again." lol I kid you not, that very same thing has occurred to me as well. No where was this as apparent as in "Fucking watermelon" thread. I followed him and his retardation to roads end, shut him up. We went to sleep, he woke up and it was memento, like he had forgotten how badly he was owned the day before. He just took it from step 1 again.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 09:48:57 I must, however, thank the usual suspects for exemplifying in stark detail the OP statement that they are are correctly categorized as neofascists (and one nazi) who intentionally endeavour to ”bypass engagement in serious debate” by incorrectly ”weaponizing” terms. Thank you
Cherub Cow Member	Sun May 04 10:25:25 williamthecoward, you have the confidence of a little boy who pissed his gym shorts at the start of class and is standing in the corner hoping not to be observed for 40 minutes, so your flimsy pretense of having supplied some effective categories which cannot be defeated is not even going to convince yourself—just make you even more resentful and pathetic. You yourself were the one who pathetically claimed that you do not even need to address arguments, and your justification? Some bullshit you fed into a language model as a substitute for any intellectual effort on your part. You cannot even answer to a single steel man argument presented to you in this thread. Your definition of "nazi" is so transparently self-serving that it seems clear that even the leftist weasels that you interact with on Reddit or wherever would call you that if you told them about your history. And that's probably what you fear the most. Here, where people are honest with you, no one is going to just call you a "nazi" because it's stupid and a retarded leftist tactic. But among your own sick people, you yourself have probably been called it. The left is even pushing *you* out of it, since as deranged as you are you are not slavish enough for the next wave of the revolt. TLDR: put up or shut up, faggot
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 10:27:16 Again, thank you, Nazi (please dont take that as a derogatory term but as a technically correct categorization)
Rugian Member	Sun May 04 11:38:52 44 posts in and I still dont know what a "neofascist" is supposed to be, other than that it apparently requires a belief that Marx was a Satanist. How WTB went from that to "all US conservatives are neofascists," I have no idea.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 12:23:58 " Rugian Member Sun May 04 11:38:52 44 posts in and I still dont know what a "neofascist" is" Actually, it would have been interesting to discuss the finer points of fascism, marxism etc in a different scenario. The trouble here is that, according to Incels favourite source of information, if you subscribe to the ideas mentioned in the OP - as does e.g. Incel - you subscribe to ”far-right, neofascist, and conspiracy-driven subculture, including parts of the manosphere, and fringe conspiracism with no credible basis in historical scholarship” which intentionally endeavours to ”bypass serious debate”. It follows, then, that there cannot be any point in delving further into the topic with people who intentionally endeavour to ”bypass serious debate”, and are, as described by the same source in the preceding thread on the same topic, ”not academically serious, intellectually lazy, fringe parts of the radicalized, alt-right, reactionary, online manosphere and fringe Christian and manosphere-adjacent conspiracists, QAnon, and fringe Christian nationalists.” Therefore, I must content myself with stating the facts and leaving it at that.
williamthebastard Member	Sun May 04 12:54:06 Of course, apart from the satanist myth, the source also describes people who subscribe to the "cultural marxism" myth in similar terms, which may include yourself.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun May 04 16:44:03 *slow clap* Let’s all take a moment to admire the brilliance of WTB’s argument. Clearly, he’s too advanced for this discussion. Instead of engaging with the actual points, he has decided to elevate the conversation by categorizing his opponents as part of the “far-right, neofascist, conspiracy loons”. It is almost as if, by throwing enough labels around, he can bypass the need for actual arguments! Notice how he masterfully sidesteps the complexity of every topic, concept or ideology. Why bother looking into the nuances when it is so much easier to dismiss anyone who doesn’t agree with him as part of a fringe group? It’s not that he is incapable of defending his positions, oh no, it’s just that we, the intellectually inferior, are not worthy of such a grand explanation :D By invoking the intellectual laziness of his opponents, he has crafted the perfect defense: Instead of engaging with ideas, he labels and walks away, leaving us in the dark :,( The fact that we might not understand his arguments is clearly a sign of our moral and intellectual failings, not a result of him failing to make a single coherent point or good faith argument at a steel manned position. In this world, facts are only useful if they fit the narrative. And when they don’t, it’s not because his argument is weak, it’s because we are too stupid and evil to recognize his intellectual superiority! For he has transcended such petty things as facts, arguments and reasoning logic. *Scene*
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