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Rugian
Member Fri May 02 11:05:26
German Spy Agency Formally Classifies AfD Party As "Right-Wing Extremist", Same Week As They Top Polls

Friday, May 02, 2025 - 10:40 AM

Just days after Germany's 'Alternative fur Deutschland' (AfD) party topped the polls...

Germany's domestic intelligence agency has formally classified the party as a right-wing extremist movement, granting authorities enhanced powers to monitor the party as a potential threat to democracy, due to the “extremist character of the entire party.”

As Reuters reports, the BfV agency's finding, based on a 1,100-page expert report, that the AfD is racist and anti-Muslim allows the authorities to increase surveillance of the party, including by recruiting confidential informants and intercepting communications.

“Key to our assessment is the AfD’s ethnic-based understanding of the people, which devalues entire population groups in Germany and violates their human dignity,” they added.

“This is reflected in the party’s overall anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim stance.”

The AfD has "defamed and vilified" individuals and groups, stirring up "irrational fears and hostility toward them," it added.

As Remix News reports, one of the key factors that the BfV is attempting to use to justify the designation is the AfD’s alleged position on “ethnic Germans.”

“The ethnic-descendant understanding of the people prevailing in the party is not compatible with the free democratic basic order,” reads the statement from the BfV.

“The AfD, for example, does not consider German citizens with a migration history from predominantly Muslim countries to be equal members of the German people, as ethnically defined by the party.”

The BfV, which has been led by a Christian Democrat for years who was rabidly opposed to the AfD, a rival party, further writes:

“The BfV reached this conclusion after an intensive and comprehensive expert review. Following its statutory mandate, the BfV was required to assess the party’s actions against the central fundamental principles of the constitution: human dignity, the principle of democracy, and the rule of law. In doing so, in addition to the federal party’s platform and statements, the statements and other behavior of its representatives, as well as their connections to right-wing extremist actors and groups, were examined in particular.”

The outgoing Interior Minister Nancy Faeser has called the assessment "clear and unambiguous" and insisted that the agency operates independently,

“There was no political influence whatsoever on the new report,” she added.

“The new assessment will certainly be subject to judicial review as well. In a constitutional state, independent courts ultimately make the decisions.”

The AfD has denounced the move as a "severe blow to German democracy" and vowed that the party “will continue to defend itself legally against these defamatory statements.”

“The AfD, as an opposition party, is being publicly discredited and criminalized shortly before the change of government,” AfD co-leaders Alice Weidel and Tino Chrupalla said in a joint statement.

“The associated, targeted interference in the democratic decision-making process is therefore clearly politically motivated.”

http://www...mist-same-week-they-lead-polls

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 02 11:40:49
I hope this means they also get new powers to monitor Elon as a financer of this extreme, neofascist group.

Sam Adams
Member Fri May 02 11:44:50
Any intelligent person would vote for afd simply to counteract this retardation.

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 02 11:52:21
Oddams used the word "intelligent" lol

obaminated
Member Fri May 02 12:20:42
Is "rational" a better word wtb? It would explain why you would support this without question or caveats. You are the only one of this forum who behaves unhinged every other day. So yeah, I think the better term is rational people would vote for and to counter this dangerous power grab.

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 02 12:23:02
Little IWishIHadVitilago, you are the extremist outlier. MAga is hated by most of the world and half of the USA. I am the norm, you are the deviant, you poor lost neofascist

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 02 12:24:37
Your Maga is considered to be a neofascist movement both academically and colloquially by a huge majority of mankind. You deviant.

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 02 12:27:04
butbutbut on teh far rihgt hate site uoptia were 7 neozanis post, maga is consridert teh nrom yuo fking marxsits satanerist! - IWishIHadVitiligo

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 02 12:32:06
Did you notice how Elon the finaners of the neofascist party's sales are crashing through the floor all through the Western world? Its because his deviant neofascism is generally hated all over the developed world.

Dukhat
Member Fri May 02 12:37:39
You butt hurt retards have no constructive ideas. It's all about hating other people and getting extra butt-hurt when the people you hate, hate you back.

Fucking man-children that never grew up.

Sam Adams
Member Fri May 02 13:03:08
Cuckhat is like "the other side just hates people, why dont they just accept criminals and rapists instead of hating them"

obaminated
Member Fri May 02 13:28:34
Hey look, wtb went on another unhinged rant immediately after I posted he is the only person on this forum that goes on unhinged rants.

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 02 13:31:09
You know that your neofascist maga has made the USA perhaps the most currently hated country in the world. So hated that conservative parties in other countries e.g. Canada, Australia etc etc etc that were leading in the polls are now getting trashed, because even conservatives in developed countries are going, fuck, we dont want to be neofascists like those fuckers. And yet somehow you manage to tell your brain to not notice that.

”Taht meens nuthink cos Rugina woh haets my mexicun skin but laeves me be as long as I agrree wit him and genosidal Oddams woh has a oficial mentil ilnes diugnosis liek maga on upotia so yuo are teh deeviunt” - Mental Maga Midget

obaminated
Member Fri May 02 13:35:48
*unhinged rant intensifies*

You really have zero self awareness. Sad.

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 02 13:38:46
^Not possible to communicate with monkeys

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 02 13:42:18
I mean, you can communicate with them about things like banana/no banana etc, but thats where it ends.

williamthebastard
Member Fri May 02 13:58:22
”Son, if you ever go to jail, seek out the biggest guy there on the first day - and give him the best blowjob of his life. Make your ass as pretty as possible and offer it to him and all his buddies for free 10 times a day. This is how to survive in the real world.” - IHateMyBloodRetardo

Sam Adams
Member Fri May 02 14:07:09
Take your meds wtb. You are ranting and babbling again.

Rugian
Member Fri May 02 18:20:25
"Secretary of State Marco Rubio condemned a decision Friday by Germany’s domestic intelligence agency to classify the political party Alternative for Germany (AfD) as a right-wing extremist organization, calling the move “tyranny in disguise.”

“What is truly extremist is not the popular AfD—which took second in the recent election—but rather the establishment’s deadly open border immigration policies that the AfD opposes,” Rubio wrote in a post on X in the hours following the decision.

“Germany just gave its spy agency new powers to surveil the opposition,” he wrote. “That’s not democracy—it’s tyranny in disguise.”"

http://www...rco-rubio-germany-afd-00324283

Dukhat
Member Fri May 02 21:08:31
You whine about stupid ass things like people hate Nazis and think that's unfair to justify doing nazi-like things and supporting a dictatorship.

It's so fucking stupid and only possible because you nazi fuckheads are jerking each other off all the time online from your parents basement.

obaminated
Member Fri May 02 22:47:38
Cuckhat, you don't need to compete with wtb on this forum for the "poster who never argues topics but just hurls insults" award.

Paramount
Member Sat May 03 00:59:36
Sweden’s police and the security authorities needs to classify SD as a threat to democracy, also. So they can be banned from participating in the next election. That would be sweet. I believe the Social Democrat’s has already classified them as a threat to democracy.

Daemon
Member Sat May 03 04:06:03
Shit like this gets common in East Germany
(it's tweet starting with "8//" if it does not scroll to the right position), that was 2 days ago
http://x.com/BRechercheteam/status/1917908789006655789

You may not care and make jokes but I do.

And you Americans should better watch out for your own crazy President.

Cherub Cow
Member Sat May 03 04:13:11
Daemon the anti-Christian cuck using a transparent Whataboutism. Pathetic.

We'll talk about how Germany is being overrun by totalitarians/Bolsheviks all we fucking want, you deranged faggot. Get rekt.

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Rugian Member	Fri May 02 11:05:26 German Spy Agency Formally Classifies AfD Party As "Right-Wing Extremist", Same Week As They Top Polls Friday, May 02, 2025 - 10:40 AM Just days after Germany's 'Alternative fur Deutschland' (AfD) party topped the polls... Germany's domestic intelligence agency has formally classified the party as a right-wing extremist movement, granting authorities enhanced powers to monitor the party as a potential threat to democracy, due to the “extremist character of the entire party.” As Reuters reports, the BfV agency's finding, based on a 1,100-page expert report, that the AfD is racist and anti-Muslim allows the authorities to increase surveillance of the party, including by recruiting confidential informants and intercepting communications. “Key to our assessment is the AfD’s ethnic-based understanding of the people, which devalues entire population groups in Germany and violates their human dignity,” they added. “This is reflected in the party’s overall anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim stance.” The AfD has "defamed and vilified" individuals and groups, stirring up "irrational fears and hostility toward them," it added. As Remix News reports, one of the key factors that the BfV is attempting to use to justify the designation is the AfD’s alleged position on “ethnic Germans.” “The ethnic-descendant understanding of the people prevailing in the party is not compatible with the free democratic basic order,” reads the statement from the BfV. “The AfD, for example, does not consider German citizens with a migration history from predominantly Muslim countries to be equal members of the German people, as ethnically defined by the party.” The BfV, which has been led by a Christian Democrat for years who was rabidly opposed to the AfD, a rival party, further writes: “The BfV reached this conclusion after an intensive and comprehensive expert review. Following its statutory mandate, the BfV was required to assess the party’s actions against the central fundamental principles of the constitution: human dignity, the principle of democracy, and the rule of law. In doing so, in addition to the federal party’s platform and statements, the statements and other behavior of its representatives, as well as their connections to right-wing extremist actors and groups, were examined in particular.” The outgoing Interior Minister Nancy Faeser has called the assessment "clear and unambiguous" and insisted that the agency operates independently, “There was no political influence whatsoever on the new report,” she added. “The new assessment will certainly be subject to judicial review as well. In a constitutional state, independent courts ultimately make the decisions.” The AfD has denounced the move as a "severe blow to German democracy" and vowed that the party “will continue to defend itself legally against these defamatory statements.” “The AfD, as an opposition party, is being publicly discredited and criminalized shortly before the change of government,” AfD co-leaders Alice Weidel and Tino Chrupalla said in a joint statement. “The associated, targeted interference in the democratic decision-making process is therefore clearly politically motivated.” http://www...mist-same-week-they-lead-polls
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 02 11:40:49 I hope this means they also get new powers to monitor Elon as a financer of this extreme, neofascist group.
Sam Adams Member	Fri May 02 11:44:50 Any intelligent person would vote for afd simply to counteract this retardation.
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 02 11:52:21 Oddams used the word "intelligent" lol
obaminated Member	Fri May 02 12:20:42 Is "rational" a better word wtb? It would explain why you would support this without question or caveats. You are the only one of this forum who behaves unhinged every other day. So yeah, I think the better term is rational people would vote for and to counter this dangerous power grab.
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 02 12:23:02 Little IWishIHadVitilago, you are the extremist outlier. MAga is hated by most of the world and half of the USA. I am the norm, you are the deviant, you poor lost neofascist
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 02 12:24:37 Your Maga is considered to be a neofascist movement both academically and colloquially by a huge majority of mankind. You deviant.
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 02 12:27:04 butbutbut on teh far rihgt hate site uoptia were 7 neozanis post, maga is consridert teh nrom yuo fking marxsits satanerist! - IWishIHadVitiligo
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 02 12:32:06 Did you notice how Elon the finaners of the neofascist party's sales are crashing through the floor all through the Western world? Its because his deviant neofascism is generally hated all over the developed world.
Dukhat Member	Fri May 02 12:37:39 You butt hurt retards have no constructive ideas. It's all about hating other people and getting extra butt-hurt when the people you hate, hate you back. Fucking man-children that never grew up.
Sam Adams Member	Fri May 02 13:03:08 Cuckhat is like "the other side just hates people, why dont they just accept criminals and rapists instead of hating them"
obaminated Member	Fri May 02 13:28:34 Hey look, wtb went on another unhinged rant immediately after I posted he is the only person on this forum that goes on unhinged rants.
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 02 13:31:09 You know that your neofascist maga has made the USA perhaps the most currently hated country in the world. So hated that conservative parties in other countries e.g. Canada, Australia etc etc etc that were leading in the polls are now getting trashed, because even conservatives in developed countries are going, fuck, we dont want to be neofascists like those fuckers. And yet somehow you manage to tell your brain to not notice that. ”Taht meens nuthink cos Rugina woh haets my mexicun skin but laeves me be as long as I agrree wit him and genosidal Oddams woh has a oficial mentil ilnes diugnosis liek maga on upotia so yuo are teh deeviunt” - Mental Maga Midget
obaminated Member	Fri May 02 13:35:48 unhinged rant intensifies You really have zero self awareness. Sad.
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 02 13:38:46 ^Not possible to communicate with monkeys
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 02 13:42:18 I mean, you can communicate with them about things like banana/no banana etc, but thats where it ends.
williamthebastard Member	Fri May 02 13:58:22 ”Son, if you ever go to jail, seek out the biggest guy there on the first day - and give him the best blowjob of his life. Make your ass as pretty as possible and offer it to him and all his buddies for free 10 times a day. This is how to survive in the real world.” - IHateMyBloodRetardo
Sam Adams Member	Fri May 02 14:07:09 Take your meds wtb. You are ranting and babbling again.
Rugian Member	Fri May 02 18:20:25 "Secretary of State Marco Rubio condemned a decision Friday by Germany’s domestic intelligence agency to classify the political party Alternative for Germany (AfD) as a right-wing extremist organization, calling the move “tyranny in disguise.” “What is truly extremist is not the popular AfD—which took second in the recent election—but rather the establishment’s deadly open border immigration policies that the AfD opposes,” Rubio wrote in a post on X in the hours following the decision. “Germany just gave its spy agency new powers to surveil the opposition,” he wrote. “That’s not democracy—it’s tyranny in disguise.”" http://www...rco-rubio-germany-afd-00324283
Dukhat Member	Fri May 02 21:08:31 You whine about stupid ass things like people hate Nazis and think that's unfair to justify doing nazi-like things and supporting a dictatorship. It's so fucking stupid and only possible because you nazi fuckheads are jerking each other off all the time online from your parents basement.
obaminated Member	Fri May 02 22:47:38 Cuckhat, you don't need to compete with wtb on this forum for the "poster who never argues topics but just hurls insults" award.
Paramount Member	Sat May 03 00:59:36 Sweden’s police and the security authorities needs to classify SD as a threat to democracy, also. So they can be banned from participating in the next election. That would be sweet. I believe the Social Democrat’s has already classified them as a threat to democracy.
Daemon Member	Sat May 03 04:06:03 Shit like this gets common in East Germany (it's tweet starting with "8//" if it does not scroll to the right position), that was 2 days ago http://x.com/BRechercheteam/status/1917908789006655789 You may not care and make jokes but I do. And you Americans should better watch out for your own crazy President.
Cherub Cow Member	Sat May 03 04:13:11 Daemon the anti-Christian cuck using a transparent Whataboutism. Pathetic. We'll talk about how Germany is being overrun by totalitarians/Bolsheviks all we fucking want, you deranged faggot. Get rekt.
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