Utopia Talk / Politics / Giuliani MAGA racism: Haitians

murder Member	Wed Oct 30 10:50:01 Rudy Giuliani: Haitian immigrants “shouldn't have been taken out of the jungle and placed in the middle of a small-town America” Giuliani: “Animals are getting hurt somewhere if you've got a lot of these people here” RUDY GIULIANI: So, remember when JD Vance pointed out that the Haitians were eating animals in Springfield — STACEY WHITED (CO-HOST): Yep. DAVID WHITED (CO-HOST): Yeah. GIULIANI: — Springfield, Ohio? So that's based on reports to that effect. Now it may not be true. It may be exaggerated. It may be insane. It may be whatever. But here's what it accomplished. It brought attention to Springfield, which is overwhelmed with traffic accidents, including a 70-year-old woman who died at Christmas and a 4-year-old kid who died on a bus. Because the Haitians are allowed to drive and they don't know how to. They're given a letter that they don't have to have a driver's license. Now for the life of me, I can't figure out how [DHS Secretary Alejandro] Mayorkas can figure out whether you can drive or not. And they're killing people, and the governor, who is hardly a supporter of Trump, and does everything he can to contradict, had to send the national guard there because the thing was like bumper cars. STACEY WHITED: Man. GIULIANI: And finally, I know the Haitian community backwards and forwards. I spent time in Haiti negotiating when I worked for Ronald Reagan, a — something similar to stay in Mexico. And I know them because I wanted to be a Catholic priest and a missionary in Haiti. They practice Vodou. And when they practice Vodou, they kill domestic animals. I mean, half of them do. That's just it. And that's — and they're not taking people in and saying, “Oh, mister Haitian, are you one of those who kills animals or not?” — STACEY WHITED: Right. DAVID WHITED: Right. GIULIANI: “Do you practice Vodou?” They have no idea. So, animals are getting hurt somewhere if you've got a lot of these people here. And look, I'm going to say this. It's not their fault. They lived back 200 years ago. They just shouldn't have been taken out of the jungle and placed in the middle of a small-town America. That's ridiculous. Or big-town America for that matter. http://www...en-taken-out-jungle-and-placed
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 30 11:06:03 I fail to see the racism. Unless you think Haiti doesn't have a jungle ecology.
Forwyn Member	Wed Oct 30 11:18:14 Reality is racism. Maybe they can sue Giuliani for defamation and get another forty trillion dollar settlement
Paramount Member	Wed Oct 30 11:28:13 ”They just shouldn't have been taken out of the jungle and placed in the middle of a small-town America. That's ridiculous.” He’s got a point. Would you want to live next door to some Haitians who practice voodoo, hurt animals and kill people? It’s the same with Iranians and Hamas. They want to kill Americans. To say this, is it also racism? Saying it is racism is like being racist towards Americans. He is just worried and wants Americans to be safe. Mr Trump should appoint Rudy Giuliani to be the new Attorney General.
Paramount Member	Wed Oct 30 11:33:45 Besides, all the Latinos got all of South America where they can live. They should move back there and let the North Americans live in peace in North America.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 30 11:36:11 via google AI " In Haitian Vodou, animals that are sacrificed include: - Chickens: Often killed by pulling their heads off, or by breaking their limbs first - Goats: Often sacrificed - Bulls: Often sacrificed - Pigs: Often favored for Petwo lwa - White sheep: May be sailed out to Trois Ilets and thrown overboard as a sacrifice for Agwé, a lwa of the sea In Vodou, animal sacrifices are often performed at annual feasts organized by an oungan or manbo... " hey we slaughter & eat those animals too... (not that any indication of these farm animal sacrifices has been shown) if 10-20k Haitians were eating the dogs/cats/pets of the town there would be examples, MANY MANY MANY examples, instead of zero... zero examples were presented the R governor & R mayor didn't back the claims, the only problem noted was housing issues & asking for assistance with housing (Trump also claimed they came into the town "violently"... why would the R mayor want violent pet-eating migrants to have 'taken over his town' as lying idiot Trump claims?... also we -know- Trump very willing to lie (from 1000s of examples) but also on this he claims he saw people making dog-eating allegations on TV yet NOBODY has presented a clip of that including his team & Vance who put up other unrelated shit to pretend it backed it... they never had shit... made up bullshit to smear migrants as he does -regularly-)
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 30 11:48:29 Translation - id sooner believe politicians whose careers would be over if these claims about illegal immigrants from Haiti behaving like they've lived in a war zone for generations than law abiding tax payers.
Rugian Member	Wed Oct 30 12:24:58 Remember when leftists were on here crying about how pointing out that native Haitians can't drive is racist, even though that country has one of the lowest rates of car ownership in the entire world? As per usual this Springfield story has made both sides look really stupid.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 30 12:46:57 possibly needing driver's ed training is not something Trump mentioning... is it so terrible to work in the realm of truth? we have to paint them as murdering pet-eating rapists "stone-cold killers. They’ll walk into your kitchen, they’ll cut your throat"? (is there even one example of that? i'm sure Faux & social media keeps you apprised of any murder by an immigrant that ever happens)
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 30 13:14:51 Yes tw, we should pay tax payers money so illegal immigrants, who don't speak English, can learn to drive. You are dumb.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 30 13:28:06 oh yeah right, Trump also lies that they are 'illegal immigrants'... they did not sneak into the country, they are here legally & they are also working & paying taxes if Ohio has tax payer driver's ed i see no reason they shouldnt be allowed to participate (or pay themselves if not) (i don't even know if its a real issue, Giuliani is not remotely a trusted source)
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 30 13:37:59 Tw. They don't speak English. What job can they possible have that pays taxes? And yes they are illegal. They were shuttled here by the federal government that bypassed proper immigration procedures.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Oct 30 13:51:21 The only thing IHateMyBloodRetardo fears more than pet-eating Haitians is Immigration. Boy will he hate getting rounded up in one of Trumps concentration camps
Rugian Member	Wed Oct 30 14:03:16 I love how WTB thinks that being Hispanic and Republican means that you're a race traitor. I guess a third of all Latinos (sorry, Latinx) are traitors. Lol
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 30 14:27:42 And for the umpteenth time. I also am half Irish? Why won't fagfish switch it up and call me a taig from time to time? Or a bog dweller?
murder Member	Wed Oct 30 14:31:50 South Florida has tons of Haitians. They drive as well as anyone else. No the Haitians in Springfield are not in the US illegally, no matter how bad your racism wants that to be true. No they don't eat dogs and cats. You're thinking of Koreans.
murder Member	Wed Oct 30 14:37:30 "And for the umpteenth time. I also am half Irish?" Ah the filthy Irish! http://i0....n-against-Irish-migrants-1.png Victims of the exact same sort of people but fuck the new "other's".
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 30 14:38:42 They definitely go to public parks to wat their daily ducks. And I imagine the haitains in south Florida are the ones who were shuttled in by the government. Or are you actually gonna argue a country that has one of the lowest driving stats will automatically know how to drive? Or that the Iowa nat guard was sent there for no reason?
murder Member	Wed Oct 30 14:39:17 When America Despised the Irish: The 19th Century’s Refugee Crisis http://www...e-19th-centurys-refugee-crisis
murder Member	Wed Oct 30 14:43:40 "Or that the Iowa nat guard was sent there for no reason?" Were they even sent there? But if so ... yeah. "Or are you actually gonna argue a country that has one of the lowest driving stats will automatically know how to drive?" There's nothing magic about driving. Especially outside of big cities.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 30 15:13:46 "They don't speak English. What job can they possible have that pays taxes? And yes they are illegal" very Trumpian... just make shit up & act like it's a fact... i -Know- they are working... & there's nothing preventing it as they aren't illegal so why wouldn't they be working... why do you think they are there? is Ohio known for its particularly generous handouts to illegal immigrant street beggars? "What the companies tell us is that they are very good workers. They're very happy to have them there, and frankly, that's helped the economy. Now, are there problems connected? Well, sure. When you go from a population of 58,000 and add 15,000 people onto that, you're going to have some challenges and some problems. And we're addressing those." ~ the governor... a Republican... but oh, he doesn't like Trump (like every respectable Republican) so he must be lying!!!! even though Trump is provably lying... anyone who pushes back on anything lord Trump claims must be a traitor RINO liar!! even if it makes absolutely no sense for them to lie about...
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 30 17:24:23 Lol. Tw doesn't even know what state we are talking about. Once again. Dumb. And due to bidens open borders everyone is "legally" here if you decide to not enforce immigration laws.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 30 17:27:43 what State do -you- think we are talking about? and as you are grossly ignorant, they are here under temporary protected status, nothing to do w/ the border & yes a legal status
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 30 17:40:56 Opps, you are right, I thought it was Springfield Iowa. They still don't speak English, still don't work and are overpopulating a town.
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 30 17:46:33 Tw, visit springfield, Ohio, and confirm that everyone else is wrong about what's going on with that town. Or continue to ignore what the people who live in the town are saying and instead listen to liberal media who will do everything to downplay the issue with illegal immigrants Like aurora Colorado and Venezuelan gangs.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 30 17:46:47 cite your evidence they aren't working
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 30 17:51:09 Google, like YouTube tends to drown out anything but liberal talking points. So I'm not going bother to scour the internet. Instead I'll rely on common sense. People who cannot speak English and only speak haitian, a very obscure language, are not working in office jobs as nyt claims.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 30 17:51:16 "visit springfield, Ohio, and confirm that everyone else is wrong about what's going on with that town" a good point... surely cultists descended on the town to expose it, so show me the streets lined w/ non-working beggars & pet snatchers...
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 30 17:55:26 Actually. They probably are "working" those jobs. I imagine the federal government is handing out a lot of money per illegal immigrants these companies have on payroll.
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 30 17:56:14 There are many many many many videos of people from Springfield describing exactly that. But you don't want to believe them.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 30 17:59:23 "So I'm not going bother to scour the internet. Instead I'll rely on common sense" so you haven't even heard it reported, just going w/ 'common sense'? you realize there are mexicans & others who don't speak english that work here don't you? "as nyt claims" the Ohio governor says they are working... & again, why would they go there if no work? what is the draw of Ohio? why not some liberal handouts paradise? footage of haitians carpooling to factory job... w/ white employment guy noting lots of sign-ups, & a haitian speaking english: http://www...-up-in-the-ea/464341519925775/ oh it's CNN, they faked it all! haitians can't possibly work!!! common sense!!!!!!
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 30 18:00:28 Spanish isn't an obscure language, lol.
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 30 18:10:14 http://www...ants-frustrations/75250279007/ But don't listen to someone who lives there and is experiencing it.
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 30 18:26:39 Side note - my assumption that the government was subsidizing them to be there was correct. Gotta love it.
murder Member	Wed Oct 30 18:28:00 Springfield, Ohio Immigration FAQs http://springfieldohio.gov/immigration-faqs/
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 30 18:33:17 "But don't listen to someone who lives there and is experiencing it" did you read your own article? zero overlap of that guy's concerns w/ what Trump spouts... zero
obaminated Member	Wed Oct 30 18:55:11 Zero. Aaaaaaand tw drops another lie.
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