Utopia Talk / Politics / Ukraine mega thread 2

LazyCommunist Member	Thu Mar 28 09:24:00 Ukrainians are monsters: http://twitter.com/casualtanker23/status/1772851022601576728 But we will bring them civilization!
Rugian Member	Thu Mar 28 09:41:53 Didn't a story just come out about Russia executing Ukrainian POWs?
LazyCommunist Member	Thu Mar 28 10:41:39 Yes but Ukrainians are Nazis so Russia is allowed to execute them. http://www...rs-war-winter-un-report-reads/
Paramount Member	Thu Mar 28 10:44:22 So what? From now on it is okay to kill pows and civilians.
LazyCommunist Member	Thu Mar 28 11:04:12 Paramount is correct, the gloves are off after what Ukraine did in the concert hall terror attack.
Paramount Member	Thu Mar 28 11:21:51 I was thinking more about what Israel and USA are doing in Gaza. They have set a new precedent.
Paramount Member	Thu Mar 28 11:25:24 Looks like Russian soldiers have run out of shovels now also. If he had had a shovel he could have smashed the drone. First they ran out of ammo, and now they have run out of shovels too. Maybe Seb was right after all… Russia is collapsing.
jergul large member	Thu Mar 28 12:07:41 Russia has found a money trail to Ukraine it says: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhWlPo3qxak
jergul large member	Thu Mar 28 12:08:18 Re concert hall.
Paramount Member	Mon Apr 01 16:09:26 Unexpected Death of Polish General The Polish Armed Forces are mourning the loss of Brigadier General Adam Marczak, the Chief of Staff of the EU Althea Operation Command in Mons, who passed away on Tuesday, March 26, 2024. The announcement was made via Twitter by the Operational Command of the Armed Forces. In a statement, the term “unexpected death” was used to describe the passing of General Marczak, indicating that his demise occurred due to natural causes during his off-duty hours. http://pol...h-of-polish-general/news/39524 ”natural causes during his off-duty hours” His arms, legs and head were torn apart from his body naturally while in Ukraine?
Habebe Member	Mon Apr 01 16:14:16 Lazy communist is a bit redundant, like wet water.
murder Member	Mon Apr 01 20:23:49 "Unexpected Death of Polish General" The Russians killed him with Havana Syndrome.
LazyCommunist Member	Tue Apr 09 09:04:09 A desperate move. If that's all the US has to offer then our victory over Ukraine and NATO is for sure! http://twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/1777650918512828481 U.S. Central Command@CENTCOM U.S. Government Transfers Captured Weapons On Apr. 4, 2024, the U.S. government transferred over 5,000 AK-47s, machine guns, sniper rifles, RPG-7s and over 500,000 rounds of 7.62mm ammunition to the Ukrainian armed forces. This constitutes enough materiel to equip one UKR BDE with small arms rifles. These weapons will help Ukraine defend against Russia’s invasion. The government obtained ownership of these munitions on December 1, 2023, through the Department of Justice’s civil forfeiture claims against Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). These munitions were originally seized by U.S. Central Command and partner naval forces from four separate transiting stateless vessels between 22 May 2021 to 15 Feb 2023. The munitions were being transferred from the IRGC to the Houthis in Yemen in violation of the United Nations Security Council Resolution 2216. U.S. CENTCOM is committed to working with our allies and partners to counter the flow of Iranian lethal aid in the region by all lawful means including U.S. and U.N. sanctions and through interdictions. Iran’s support for armed groups threatens international and regional security, our forces, diplomatic personnel, and citizens in the region, as well as those of our partners. We will continue to do whatever we can to shed light on and stop Iran’s destabilizing activities.
Paramount Member	Tue Apr 09 14:25:59 Zelensky says he wants 25 Patriot systems with 6-8 batteries each. I think the US has 16. Germany has 11. So maybe if the US and Germany send all their Patriot systems to Ukraine, then Ukraine can defend itself.
jergul large member	Tue Apr 09 18:02:01 The problem is not the systems. The math does not work. 600 missiles a year is project production rates. 2 a day. How many 8 missile capable launchers do you actually need?
jergul large member	Tue Apr 09 18:12:25 There are other ways to argue the point, but exactly how many Ukrainians need to be semi employed manning patriot systems without missiles while the front line is in dire need of regular infantry? It is hard to see the clamour for more patriots launchers as anything other than a corruption jig. Of course people will pay good money for slots at least 100 km from the frontline. The question is how to creats such slots?
jergul large member	Tue Apr 09 18:19:10 What people dont understand is that Patriot is mainly a deterrent system: "You wish to attack us? Haha, the first 1000 missiles you use will be futile!". It runs into trouble with an opposition that says: "Mkay".
jergul large member	Tue Apr 09 18:30:46 In case you dont get it. If deterrence fails then doctrinal use follows a sunk cost fallacy. Sure, let use 2x4 million to shoot down 1x2 million. Cost is here a placeholder for complexity and time to produce. A mighty service sector has small impact on missile production rates.
jergul large member	Tue Apr 09 18:36:02 That in sum is why the West is reluctant to transfer more Patriot batteries to Ukraine.
jergul large member	Tue Apr 09 18:38:37 Grade A analysis right there. In a folksy format even. I impress myself.
TheChildren Member	Wed Apr 10 01:27:46 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8jnY-R1a4E tough but yea prolly true
LazyCommunist Member	Wed Apr 10 03:44:03 TC we got order to no longer link to videos from Scott Ritter, because it is now widely known that he is a paedophile, that could be used against us by western propaganda minions. Of much greater importance is that we just released an alpha version of a new tank that has protection against drones. Nazis laugh about this tank and it has already been destroyed, BUT it is just a prototype and every time one of these gets destroyed we will learn from it and release a better version. Soon we will have the best tank armor of the whole word. http://www...tle-tank-armor-donetsk-1888353 Russian tank crews may have unconventionally adapted their vehicles in the hopes of fending off persistent Ukrainian explosive drone strikes, new footage appears to show. Russia has started fitting a fixed, shell-like metal structure around its tanks rolling out along the frontlines in Ukraine, video clips circulating online suggest. One video, shot by an airborne drone, appears to show a Russian tank encased in a turtle-like contraption moving through a field around the Donetsk town of Krasnohorivka in the past few days. Krasnohorivka has long been on the frontlines in eastern Ukraine, west of the Russian-controlled regional capital, Donetsk City. The video clip appears to show the metal casing partly covering the tank's main gun as it leads a handful of vehicles without the same, shell-like protection. The tank is T-72, a Russian military blogger said on Monday. The footage quickly garnered attention online, jokingly labeled a "turtle tank" or, even more specifically, a "Russian Ninja Turtle tank." Russia has suffered heavy tank losses since it invaded Ukraine. Estimates from U.K.-based think tank, the International Institute for Strategic Studies, earlier this year suggested Russian tank losses stood at around 3,000 since February 2022. Newsweek has reached out to the Russian Defense Ministry for comment via email. Photos of the new contraption provoked bemused reactions on social media, where people responded by posting images of a medieval siege engine and of the visor on a Darth Vader helmet being snapped down. A new design, but one with precedent. Russia has long attached improvised armor onto its tank fleet in an attempt to shield against Ukrainian strikes. Roof screens have also popped up on Russian rocket launchers.
jergul large member	Wed Apr 10 04:59:02 TC I saw that. It looked my like glassfiber plates than thin sheetmetal. It did not bemuse me very much and did seem to deter FPV drones, so mission accomplished I guess.
murder Member	Wed Apr 10 05:25:05 "Of course people will pay good money for slots at least 100 km from the frontline. The question is how to creats such slots?" Are there a lot of wealthy Ukrainian soldiers trying to get out of frontline assignments?
murder Member	Wed Apr 10 05:33:45 "Of much greater importance is that we just released an alpha version of a new tank that has protection against drones." The Russians drawing inspiration from Dark Helmet from Spaceballs.
jergul large member	Wed Apr 10 09:03:03 Sweet Summer Child Not quite like that. More that a new battery is announced for transfer, then people talk to people. Deferments are waived, a new uniform is put on and of for 8 weeks Patriot training in Germany the person goes. Why would boot camp be needed for a technical job? Its just a cope cage that visually obscures weak points. The only downside I see it turning a tank into a self-propelled gun due to turret rotation limitations.
murder Member	Wed Apr 10 10:47:35 Yeah, other than massively reducing visibility and not really allowing the turret to move freely, it's still a stupid idea. Not that moving the turret is that important when you can't see anyway. But are we sure this wasn't just some ancient Soviet tank with the shit put over it so the Ukrainians couldn't tell that the armor was rusted all the way through?
LazyCommunist Member	Fri Apr 12 13:48:35 :-) http://www...ne-picking-chinese-ones-2024-4 American drones are glitching and getting lost in Ukraine, giving way to a flood of Chinese drones American drones aren't performing as well as those from other countries, like China's, in Ukraine. The drones are glitchy, expensive, and get lost during flight, sources told The Wall Street Journal. Those problems are opening the door for Ukraine to buy drones from other manufacturers. The drone war in Ukraine is constantly evolving and forcing both sides to innovate quickly. But for Ukraine, a key partner is having trouble keeping up and letting rivals fill the void. American-made drones haven't excelled on the battlefield, prompting Ukraine to turn to buying Chinese-made drones. The problems with many US-made drones, particularly some of the smaller ones, are that they often don't function as advertised or planned and easily glitch when targeted by Russian jamming, sources told The Wall Street Journal. They are fragile and vulnerable to electronic warfare. For some of the systems that were sent to Ukraine, issues included not taking off, getting lost and not returning home, or simply failing to meet mission expectations. Part of the problem is that US technology isn't evolving fast enough, in part due to restrictions on sourcing. Georgii Dubynskyi, Ukraine's deputy minister of digital transformation, told The Journal that "what is flying today won't be able to fly tomorrow," adding that the innovation window in this conflict is small. "The general reputation for every class of US drone in Ukraine is that they don't work as well as other systems," Adam Bry, the chief executive of American drone company Skydio, told WSJ, acknowledging that his own drone is "not a very successful platform on the front lines." US drones are also typically far more expensive than comparable models. And at the rate Ukraine is burning through them, it wouldn't be feasible. Instead, Ukraine is turning to systems made by Chinese companies for cheaper and often more reliable alternatives. Chinese DJI drones have long played a role in the war, with Ukraine buying many of the retail models. Ukrainian forces sometimes strap bombs directly on them for a makeshift one-way attack drone or use them to drop grenades. Ukraine has often manufactured its own drones through crowdfunding. While that's been successful, the sheer volume of drones being used in the war means both sides need to rely on several outlets to get what they need. There is also state-level support. Russia has also relied on government support and private outfits, but it also gets unmanned systems from partners, such as the Iranian-made Shaheds. Russia has even developed its own domestic version of this system. But Russia has also bought Chinese-made drone technology.
Paramount Member	Tue Apr 16 11:22:35 There are reports on that Ukrainian troops are mass surrendering. They want to save their lives. To get out of the war with their lives intact must be considered as a win for them.
Paramount Member	Tue Apr 16 11:54:54 Seen on the internet: ”French Legion troops bombed on arrival in Slaviansk. 80 casualties out of 100 men on one of two sites hit. Numbers unknown on the other site.” Maybe the French didn’t get the chance to wave the white flag before they were hit. Now Macron has to send more Legion troops. Is it Macron who is in charge of the French Legion?
LazyCommunist Member	Tue Apr 16 12:44:32 I've seen that, too, do we use the same internet?
Paramount Member	Tue Apr 16 14:12:04 Lol http://x.com/diogenease/status/1780287760663728414
Paramount Member	Tue Apr 16 15:01:41 Hm… it would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic.
Paramount Member	Tue Apr 16 15:35:07 The Donetsk front has collapsed and there is mutiny in NATO’s Ukraine army. http://youtu.be/HgJNWeHeLnw
jergul large member	Wed Apr 17 01:29:57 Ukraine has begun trading small slices of ground for time, equipment and lives. That does not a collapse make. Wake me up if Russia ever does a 100 mile penetration in 3 days.
Paramount Member	Thu Apr 18 11:36:05 Zelenskyj was asking for air defence systems. Putin deploys new air defence systems to Ukraine. http://youtu.be/K-9kjua205c
jergul large member	Thu Apr 18 11:46:58 Its been there since the start. Gibka is what came after igla.
Paramount Member	Thu Apr 18 11:55:28 Okay, so it is not a new system.
LazyCommunist Member	Thu Apr 18 11:56:59 That shows that the loss of a S-400 yesterday does not matter at all to us, we have so many air defence systems, NATO can never destroy them all! http://www...raine-russian-airfield-1891796 Ukraine said Thursday it had damaged a number of Russia's prized S-400 Triumph air defense systems, radar stations and a control center during an attack on a large air base in annexed Crimea. The attack, which took place on Wednesday at a military airfield in the city of Dzhankoy, is reported to have killed up to 30 Russian personnel and wounded a further 80 people. Ukraine's military intelligence said the strike damaged four S-400 air defense systems, three radars, an air defense command-and-control center, and other surveillance equipment.
murder Member	Thu Apr 18 18:19:37 LazyCommunist working overtime to keep us informed. :o)
jergul large member	Thu Apr 18 20:05:00 Its almost like it is a complete different entity from Ruggy :D.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Apr 18 23:40:14 http://x.com/sentdefender/status/1781176954000949699 Scratch an ivan heavy
LazyCommunist Member	Sat Apr 20 05:31:15 RIP communist american hero! He has been executed by our people, but I would still call that friendly fire and shit happens, yeah. http://www...ead-russia-separatists-ukraine A US citizen known to have fought with pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine between 2014 and 2017 has been killed in Moscow-occupied Donetsk, according to Russian media reports. Russia-installed authorities in eastern Ukraine had earlier this month reported the American – 64-year-old Russell Bentley – as missing. “Russell Bentley, known as ‘Texas’, a real American, truly from Texas, was killed in Donetsk,” Margarita Simonyan, head of the pro-Kremlin RT TV channel, said on social media. “He was fighting for our guys,” she said. Simonyan gave no details on how he died. The “Vostok” battalion with which Bentley fought confirmed his death, calling for “exemplary punishment for those who killed Russell Bentley”, suggesting he did not die in a Ukrainian attack. Police in Donetsk said on 8 April that Bentley had gone missing after going to help victims of a Ukrainian strike on Donetsk. On a Telegram channel previously run by him, Bentley’s wife, Lyudmila, said he had been “abducted” by Russian soldiers from a tank battalion, and called on them to let him go. The self-declared communist joined pro-Moscow separatists in Ukraine to fight Kyiv in 2014. He later also worked for the state-owned Russian news agency Sputnik and was given Russian nationality.
murder Member	Sat Apr 20 07:15:41 *kicks a little dirt on the steaming pile of Russell Bentley*
LazyCommunist Member	Sat Apr 20 16:41:27 Every American is now much poorer
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