Utopia Talk / Politics / IX

jergul large member	Mon Mar 07 10:53:07 Attack Syria? Putin would love that. I would give him the rational for taking down Saudi oil infrastructure.
jergul large member	Mon Mar 07 10:53:28 It would*
obaminated Member	Mon Mar 07 11:05:22 Anonymous hacked Russian state tv, again, showing images of what Russia is actually doing to Ukraine.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Mar 07 11:10:30 I don’t expect the sebs to grasp the goodwill and standing that the west has wasted in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, and further wanted to waste in Syria to achieve absolutelt nothing. But the fucking disasters left behind. Not to mention the sapping of moral internally and fueling the fires of mistrust from our own populations crying wolf. But no, the sebs still tell us that Syria would somhow be different! Ukraine is the same playbook as Georgia and Chechnya. They didn’t need Syria. Anyone with half a brain understands that Syria was an expensive affair for Russia and one that they rather had avoided. Which was evident by the fact that they only went in years into the war when Iranian help turned out to not be enough.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Mar 07 11:12:08 And btw this was X. You know we stopped using Roman numerals for good reasons!
Rugian Member	Mon Mar 07 11:24:00 Yeah this is X. And yes, US/UK grandstanding would carry a little more weight had they not spent the last 25 years committing this exact same rogue imperialist behavior in places like Kosova, Iraq, Libya, etc.
Paramount Member	Mon Mar 07 11:34:37 Do again, do right. We also need the word ”War” in the title.
murder Member	Mon Mar 07 11:44:03 "Putin would love that. I would give him the rational for taking down Saudi oil infrastructure." Considering that he's having trouble keeping his armor fueled right across his border, I wouldn't really worry about any additional adventures. Certainly not that far from home. Take out Assad and watch him scramble to try to save his stupid base in Syria.
Seb Member	Mon Mar 07 11:45:30 Yes the goodwill wasted by not letting the Taliban shield bin laden. Nim blathers on about good will as if that is why Russia is invading Ukraine, and not the fact that we keep demonstrating a lack of resolve.
murder Member	Mon Mar 07 11:45:40 "And btw this was X. You know we stopped using Roman numerals for good reasons!" IXI
nhill Member	Mon Mar 07 11:53:11 We can't even count to 10 yet still have the hubris to discuss politics. Embarrassing.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Mar 07 11:59:21 Seb Yea there was no way to get Bin Laden without invading and occupying Afghanistan. Sure. Idiot. "as if that is why Russia is invading Ukraine" This does not even count as a straw man. I can tell that UP is really the only place where anyone challenges anything you say. So weak.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Mar 07 12:01:22 "We can't even count to 10 yet still have the hubris to discuss politics. Embarrassing." LOL :)
Rugian Member	Mon Mar 07 12:08:16 "We can't even count to 10 yet still have the hubris to discuss politics." And that is how an RBMK reactor explodes.
Habebe Member	Mon Mar 07 12:10:33 This isn't even the first time we have misnumbered onnthe climb to ten. Idiocracy is sounding more and more like a documentary instead of a bad movie.
murder Member	Mon Mar 07 12:35:36 Have a little empathy. Everyone doesn't have IX fingers and toes.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Mar 07 16:19:06 Ukraine claims they killed a second russian major general.
obaminated Member	Mon Mar 07 17:33:36 Why are their generals even in areas where they can get shot? The last one was killed by a sniper ffs.
jergul large member	Mon Mar 07 17:38:04 They probably have. 1 down. 866 generals to go.
Paramount Member	Mon Mar 07 17:38:57 They are obviously leading the assault, to boost morale.
Paramount Member	Mon Mar 07 17:41:55 So what is the next roman numeral. XI? As in Chairman Xi?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Mar 07 17:56:35 Good point Paramount. We are not going to fail this one. Ok I will send you guys a teams invitation for tomorrow, it will give us plenty of time to draft a plan of action going forward. Agenda: 1. Nominate 1 person responsible for creating the threads. 2. Create an excel ledger to keep track of past threads. Delegate responsibility. 3. Migrate previous threads to a new server. 4. Get price quotation for scrubbing the corrupted/duplicate title threads. BR Nima
murder Member	Mon Mar 07 19:03:26 "So what is the next roman numeral. XI? As in Chairman Xi?" No. We're skipping ahead to "Omicron" so as not to offend TheChildren.
nhill Member	Mon Mar 07 19:46:47 Chairman Pooh Bear. Btw, Nim, Excel??? We need our own decentralized ledger and volunteers to run validators. Can't have all that power in one hand!
Rugian Member	Mon Mar 07 19:53:43 How does a "decentralized ledger" work?
jergul large member	Mon Mar 07 20:08:32 It means any fraction with a simple majority can coup the entire system. Majority stake is the common thing. A simply majority of bit coin holders could invalidate all Russian bit coins, then all Belorussian bit coins, then all kazak bitcoins. Then they can start eliminating each other, because as the invalidated decrease what you need for a simple majority. So ultimately you have the last man standing with a majority stake in bit coin all be herself.
nhill Member	Mon Mar 07 20:55:46 Rugian, you know not what you ask. Don't get me started, lol, or this will turn into a crypto thread
nhill Member	Mon Mar 07 20:57:38 Although the resulting blood vessel burst from Seb when he wakes up and sees us discussing crypto may be worth it. Hmm, decentralized ledger, you ask...
nhill Member	Mon Mar 07 21:01:15 "doNt mAkE iT aBouT yoUR hoBBy hOrSe, nhill", bemoaned Seb, once again, the usual bit of cunty drool evident on the crest of his upper lip, a strange side effect of his overbite combined with questionable and infrequent dental hygiene practices.
Habebe Member	Mon Mar 07 21:10:20 http://i.postimg.cc/8P48CMZd/Zombo-Meme-07032022220628.jpg
obaminated Member	Mon Mar 07 22:08:41 One of the two ships that shelled snake island has been sunk off the coast of Odessa via a barrage of rockets. Russian warship. Go fuck yourself.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Mar 08 00:31:41 Zelensky dehumanized Russians for the first time, in his 9 minute speech, today. Ukrainian media, when viewed in Ukrainian and translated via google to English, have started calling it "the Great War." The intended-for-English-readers versions are not calling that. Yet. He will still be Time's Person of the Year. I'd bet on it (BTW I still think someone owes me $ from the last time I placed a bet on UP).
Seb Member	Tue Mar 08 02:14:35 Jergul: "Attack Syria" I don't know how this got from the past conditional (a path not taken) to future tense. Btw, the number of senior officers killed now tends to suggest that it's not just reservist Potemkin BTGs with the two military hanging around back. Nim: You are burbling about standing - as though this has any relevance. On the one hand you say that the West is unprepared for war. On the other hand you are consistently of the faction that views any attempt to military intervene in a conflict as illegitimate, immoral, and counter productive. The failure to be robust in confronting dictators is why Russia had the confidence to do this. And I count Georgia in that also.
jergul large member	Tue Mar 08 03:30:20 Seb The initial Potemkin BTGs would have offensive capability for 10 days. No more. Modern BTGs would be rotating in now. The loss of 3 higher officers would suggest that this is indeed what is happening. The transition from BTG to security support of modernized sister units is organizationally complex and seems to require upper echelon staff close to combat areas. Very quiet on the drone front recently. Russia likely has been tracking the drones back to their airfields and taking out the entire sets with various missiles.
jergul large member	Tue Mar 08 03:43:22 In a wider scheme, the more Potemkin, the more hands-on staff officers have to be. I think it likely a symptom of using conscripts with proforma contracts. Staff officers would also feel more morally obliged to step up if they had sent in units lacking in training and equipment. Note that I do not think this happened in the south. Crimean forces are facing off against seasoned Ukrainian troops, so would need to bring their A game from the go. In donbas, the irregulars provide security and depth, so conscript BTGs are redundant.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Mar 08 04:14:25 Seb Explaining anything remotely complex at any depth for you, is a waste of time.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Mar 08 04:15:33 Nhill The premise is needlessly complicated but yet horribly low tech. :P
murder Member	Tue Mar 08 08:46:56 "He will still be Time's Person of the Year. I'd bet on it" He's going to be Time's Dead Person of the Year if Ukraine doesn't get more help.
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 08 08:51:18 Murder, Both sides are well funded, the odds that the Ukraine just becomes a 20 year proxy war become greater. Germany as Ive said for YEARS now is a terrible "ally". They continue to fund Russia while underfunding NATO. We should seal for peace, or atleast make a good faith effort.
obaminated Member	Tue Mar 08 10:07:33 Why would we sue for peace in a war we aren't involved in with a country who clearly is punching above their weight class?
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 08 10:22:06 Define involved? We definitely are spending billions of dollars and not on the US. Why is the Ukraine our problem more than Germany? And yet Germany refuses to stop funding Russia. So how is it beneficial to us the US individually and the west that the US continue to fund an insurgency against Germany? All the while gas prices and inflation drive our people into the poor house.
murder Member	Tue Mar 08 10:26:00 "Why would we sue for peace in a war we aren't involved in with a country who clearly is punching above their weight class?" To lock in Russian gains I assume. *shrug*
obaminated Member	Tue Mar 08 10:31:50 Gas prices and inflation are 100% on biden for stopping keystone and spending like money grows on trees. Very little to due with the war in Russia.
obaminated Member	Tue Mar 08 10:32:00 In ukraine*
Pillz Member	Tue Mar 08 11:31:04 Ukrainians abandoning armour http://ody...1e0133d5da9b8c65352f?src=embed
Seb Member	Tue Mar 08 11:35:52 Habebe: Germany has just got behind a plan to remove 80% of Russian gas by this year. Arguing they "refuse" to stop funding Russia because they are locked into a certain degree of dependency is just plain dishonest. Like I said, you are finding every possible angle, and it is clearly dishonest.
obaminated Member	Tue Mar 08 11:48:44 Lol, pillz resorting to Russian state run media for positive news about the disastrous invasion.
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 08 12:40:47 "Arguing they "refuse" to stop funding Russia because they are locked into a certain degree of dependency is just plain dishonest." You could argue it lacks context, thats fair. Not dishonest, they could reduce their energy expenditures by 15% and be done with Russia now, its just that would do immense damage to their economy. But this is nothing new. Trump was telling them this years ago, but they refused to listen, and now we (the US) should bail out the situation? #fuckem #Should have listened to Trump.
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 08 12:43:49 http://youtu.be/nu57D9YcIk0 Trump was right. Thisnaged SOOO well.Miss him yet?
Sam Adams Member	Tue Mar 08 12:49:44 Lol did pillz just post a link to RT?
jergul large member	Tue Mar 08 13:03:22 http://twitter.com/i/status/1501188439529644034
jergul large member	Tue Mar 08 13:03:52 Not the content, the fact that it went down.
Seb Member	Tue Mar 08 13:34:20 Habebe: Simplistic nonsense. Where is Germany going to get its energy from, exactly? Remind me what Trump did to green subsidies.
Seb Member	Tue Mar 08 13:35:55 Jergul: Link dead - what was there.
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 08 14:41:35 Seb, They could have kept Nuclear, and invested in LNG infrastructure and Trump would have loved that. Trump 1 Germany -4 Call it simplistic, but if Germany listened to Trump in 2018 we wouldn't be facing $6 gallon gas and probably wouldn't have to deal with this Ukrainian war. Trump was hilariously the smartest guy in the room. If its possible we should pull put of NATO unless Germany deals with rolling blackouts. Maybe then they will listen.
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 08 14:56:17 Maybe mother earth will defend them.
Dukhat Member	Tue Mar 08 15:02:06 Stupid Shits in California need to be exposed as well. They closed down 3 nuclear power plants already while energy prices are set to explode. Dumb shits. California has a dearth of livable land as it is much less space for wind/solar farms.
williamthebastard Member	Tue Mar 08 15:18:43 Meanwhile, theyre panicking in Ukraine as nuclear plants go offline, because one of the downsides of filling your country with nuclear plants is you also coincidentally fill your country with dirty bombs
williamthebastard Member	Tue Mar 08 15:24:17 Moreover, the only reason they ever bought Russian gas to begin with is because millions of german Habebes, who start squawking at the slightest mention of prices going up at the gas station, demand fuel they could afford in exchange for their vote
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 08 15:35:54 Dukhat has been making a lot of sense lately...I need a shower, I feel dirty. Will, Habebe has been preaching the gospel of fracking for over a decade. Sweet sweet US NG.
Seb Member	Tue Mar 08 15:38:28 Habebe: There is nowhere near enough LNG production capacity globally to supply the gas needs of Europe sufficient to make up the gap, nor any feasible scope for replacing it in any reasonable timescale with nuclear power. Trump would have loved it because he is an economically illiterate moron. "Call it simplistic, but if Germany listened to Trump in 2018 we wouldn't be facing $6 gallon gas" Really, you think that Europe barging into the rest of the global energy market trying to buy the equivalent of 175billion cubic meters of gas a year wouldn't put up prices? By how much? Well lets, see - what has cutting off the Russian gas market and consequent increased demand for the remaining supply done to prices? I suspect it would have pushed prices up by - oh - about that much.
Seb Member	Tue Mar 08 15:39:19 It's not hard to see how an idiot like Trump got elected when the American electorate displays this startling level of insight.
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 08 16:00:14 "Trump would have loved it because he is an economically illiterate moron." And yet, he was right. Europe was wrong, especially Germany, so wrong they were. So right he was. If gas prices stay like this, expect President Ivanka in 2024. Maybe instead of getting off fossil fuels, they should habe gotten off Russia's teet first.
Peter Walsh Member	Tue Mar 08 16:05:49 http://new...ircraft-to-ukrainians-12561039 Ukraine war: Poland offers all its MIG-29 fighter jets to US in plan to provide aircraft to Kyiv
Seb Member	Tue Mar 08 16:06:06 Habebe: Maybe Trump shouldn't have held back arms to Ukraine as part of blackmail to Zelensky to frame Biden's son?
Peter Walsh Member	Tue Mar 08 16:08:35 http://www...a7-4800-997b-b4583a3f7085.html Russia warns against hosting Ukraine military aircraft A reference to Romania and other neighbouring countries Russia on Sunday warned Ukraine's neighbours including NATO member Romania against hosting Kyiv's military aircraft, saying they could end up being involved in an armed conflict. "We know for sure that Ukrainian combat aircraft have flown to Romania and other neighbouring countries," defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said in a video briefing. "The use of the airfield network of these countries for basing Ukrainian military aviation with the subsequent use of force against Russia's army can be regarded as the involvement of these states in an armed conflict."
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 08 16:11:23 Lets run some basic scenarios. Germany imports what, 50 BCM a year from Gazprom, right? Do we know how much oil? How much of each is used for electricity? Electricity production can be supplemented by Nuclear, they just need to stop shutting down the plants.
jergul large member	Tue Mar 08 16:30:53 Seb Link worked for me. An embedded Chinese journalist doing the Desert Storm media thing in full military fatigues, helmet and plate carrier
jergul large member	Tue Mar 08 16:31:16 On the Russian side. Therefore interesting.
Seb Member	Tue Mar 08 16:32:40 Habebe: The EU imports 175bcm - and it's a common energy market and to a great degree a single electricity grid (a fact trump never understood, and many American's can't get their head around) - Germany is just a random geographic unit, not a meaningful economic unit in this sense. So forget about 50bcm, it is 175bcm. About 2 trillion KWH, or 2000 TWH. The total combined nuclear power output is about that - so we are talking about doubling the current global installed capacity of nuclear power. That is not something that is in any way feasible in the timescales.
Seb Member	Tue Mar 08 16:33:23 jergul: Weird on the link - but yes, saw that earlier.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Mar 08 17:27:23 "That is not something that is in any way feasible in the timescales. " Yet it was forseeable decades ago. Obviously it is too late to build nuke plants to save your energy economy from the current crises. Even more obviously, those nuke plants should still be operating and should have expanded.
Seb Member	Tue Mar 08 17:43:30 Sam: Doubling global installed capacity in Europe alone doesn't seem reasonable even with a few decades. Germanies pívot to green, especially with the solar price reductions over the same period, looks far more sensible.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Mar 08 18:08:06 No. Solar is not nearly good enough yet for your latitude in the winter. As demonstrated by your current energy situation. Should have built nukes like all the intelligent engineers told you to do. "Doubling global installed capacity in Europe alone doesn't seem reasonable even with a few decades." France did it.
murder Member	Tue Mar 08 18:49:24 I'm old enough to remember when Republicans were free traders. I'm old enough to remember choosing a supplier other than the cheapest was considered inefficient. I'm old enough to remember when conventionally held wisdom was that trade helped preserve peace. Watching Republicans turn into Donald Trump is pretty wild.
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 08 19:21:17 Seb, Fine, we will use your queer metric of all of the EU. Even though France's energy policy seems WAY different than Germany's. So about 150 BCM imported from Russia. The EU said today it already plans to cut that by 2/3 in one year. How many decommissioned nuke plants does the EU have that they could start back up relativley quickly? New ones take what? 5 years? How long does it take to build LNG infrastructure like Poland is doing? The US has about 500 Trillion CF of proven natural gas, sounds like alot. Europe already pays 14X what the US does for NG, but I do remember German politicians whining about fracking, it sounds like a lack of political will and good planning.
Habebe Member	Tue Mar 08 19:37:39 http://www...,and%20a%20lot%20of%20support. Here is where they sent their own kids to clear mines. Donthe Saudis do this in Yemen?
obaminated Member	Tue Mar 08 23:21:35 Wow, Poland essentially cut through the bullshit that is the biden administration's half in half out strategy. Biden admin will encourage Poland to send jets into Ukraine but won't do it themselves. Biden is not a leader.
Seb Member	Wed Mar 09 01:26:34 Sam: Tell me when had France built 2TWH of installed capacity in a decade? That's more nuclear capacity than the total that France has ever built. People have been trying to build nuclear plants for decades. The problem is - perversely - the engineers who keep designing new plants for maximum thermal efficiency rather than economic sustainability, and the fact that samish politicians want them to be financed privately by industry, not the state cos state bad mmmmkeay.
Seb Member	Wed Mar 09 01:30:11 Habebe: There's a reason your gas is heading towards $6 a gallon, and it is not becauae you rely on Russian exports. It is because Europe's plan to cut out as much Russian energy as possible is to buy as much of the oil and gas that is available on the rest of the market (which you used to import) as possible. It still probably isn't viable. "New ones take what? 5 years?" Lol. More like 10-15. But there's a workforce issue - this is all highly skilled niche industry, not pouring concrete. So there are bottlenecks all over the place. You can't build loads in parallel.
Seb Member	Wed Mar 09 01:34:44 "How long does it take to build LNG infrastructure like Poland is doing?" The issue isn't the infrastructure to unload LNG. The issue is the lack of lng supply on the global market. "500 Trillion CF" so 15 trillion cubic meters quite substantial. The average LNG ship capacity is about 150k cubic meters. Do you also have 1.2 million bulk LNG ships? Shouldn't be hard to crank out right?
Seb Member	Wed Mar 09 01:36:14 Habebe, I get it, you think trump is a business man not a con artist, so you assume he's not just saying random words. But he is. His energy ideas are up there with "inject yourself with bleach". What he is describing is utter nonsense.
Seb Member	Wed Mar 09 01:40:21 We shall see what the EU plan comes to. Anything that reduces Russian sales is good. The reality is it's going to put global energy prices through the roof cos the EU is now bidding for the oil and gas that used to supply your markets. Yes, LNG etc are all small slices and can add up. But it is going to be economically devastating and may be ecologically devastating, and about the only thing that makes it sensible is that Russia has decided major wars to rewrite European borders and that's worse. For Europe at least. Enjoy your high gas prices :-) after all, you seem to want them to have started in 2018.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 09 02:02:16 Reducing sales will probably not impact too much as increased prices will compensate Russia. Frankly even stopping may not hurt as it will involve much higher prices and redirecting LNG vessels currently supplying China Gasprom will fill part of the gap there at much higher prices than now.
murder Member	Wed Mar 09 04:37:21 This is just theater. If we wanted to hurt Russia we would have left their energy exports alone while increasing our own and relaxing sanctions on Venezuela and Iran.
murder Member	Wed Mar 09 04:38:49 btw this would be a great time to pass tougher energy efficiency standards across the board.
Habebe Member	Wed Mar 09 05:52:42 Seb, "Do you also have 1.2 million bulk LNG ships? Shouldn't be hard to crank out right?" Are the ships not reusable?! Double check your math. Trump never said inject bleach, Biden/harris did (claiming Trump did). Your backing the wrong horse if you want energy, Biden has a terrible record on that, and literally almost everything.
Habebe Member	Wed Mar 09 06:03:10 Seb, http://www...68412/global-lng-tanker-fleet/ 642 vessels worldwide in 2018 (back when Trump warned the Germans) carried 431 BCM, Germany/EU at MOST needs 150, probably closer 50. Probably less, and even still the goal is to be able to cut off Russian imports so they stop funding the enemy, so as long as we get most of it, that's better than their current level of.enabling. Still seems feasible in a 4 year period. Also according to the NEA it takes 5-7 years to build a new plant, the Germans are an industrious people, 4 seems reasonable. Again they have actually been warned for decades.Trump just made a stink about it 4 years ago so that's the date we will use.
Habebe Member	Wed Mar 09 06:57:08 I guess it's a good thing Trump tripled LNG exports tonthe EU by threatening tariffs. Trump is literally making Europe, well dependant on the US again. The US, were not Russia:)
Seb Member	Wed Mar 09 10:13:56 Habebe: If the EU imports 175bcm of gas from Russia - how is it you think they "only" need 50? You are asking for a global increase of LNG supply of 35% - where are those new gas supplies going to come form? Yes, 1.2 million ship loads of gas was wrong - the volume I looked at referred to the liquified volume (unhelpfully) - nevertheless, you are talking an absolutely ridiculous increase of liquifaction capacity, not just receiving terminals, and fleet capacity, and you need to address the issue of where this gas is actually going to come from. "Still seems feasible in a 4 year period." Based on what? "Also according to the NEA it takes 5-7 years to build a new plant, the Germans are an industrious people, 4 seems reasonable." So, basically, you want to build all these plants in parallel.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Mar 09 11:19:54 "Tell me when had France built 2TWH of installed capacity in a decade?" Check your units seb. A single nuclear core generates 2 TWh in 3 months. Did you mean TW? In which case 2TW is pretty much your entire economy. You dont need to replace all of it. Just the russian bit. 500 GW. 500 cores. In all of europe in 10-20 years. Doable. France built ~70 cores in that span when they were building their industry.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Mar 09 12:23:23 Plus you would have reduced emissions. Win win.
Seb Member	Wed Mar 09 12:30:12 Sam: Yeah, sorry, slight unit mess up - should have read 2000TWH (per year) not 2 TWH, that's the equivalent of 175bcm - so strictly speaking 228GW of installed capacity.
Habebe Member	Wed Mar 09 13:19:25 "If the EU imports 175bcm of gas from Russia - how is it you think they "only" need 50?" When I checked it was 155, and apparently it had dropped since then just because of price increases usage went down. So 150 seemed conservative.The EU plan says in one year they plan to reduce it by 2/3, so now its down to 50, but in all fairness some of that may be redundant (US LNG imports) We would have to see. Even if we go on 150BCM , its important how much of that is used for heating and how much is used for electricity. Electricity would be easier Id suspect to replace without shipping LNG which needs special ships and infrastructure.Plus if Germany has de commissioned Nuke plants Id think it would be quicker to open them back up rather than build new. I havn't been able to find such a break down. But my curiosity is peaked and Id like to figure out how much in 4 years time we could knock down that. Even if it isnt 100% It would be an improvement. "You are asking for a global increase of LNG supply of 35% - where are those new gas supplies going to come form?" Over 4 years, that doesn't sound unreasonable.But its not necessarily that much, China is the largest importer IIRC, are they not buying Russian gas? If they are buying russian gas we could just swap some of that. Russia supplies China more and the US transitions to supplying the EU which is a much faster shipping destination anyway. Does anyone care if China is captive to Russian fuel? "nevertheless, you are talking an absolutely ridiculous increase of liquifaction capacity, not just receiving terminals, and fleet capacity, and you need to address the issue of where this gas is actually going to come from." Well, it wouldn't have to ALL come from the US.But the US has shitloads of it and we have been trying to sell it everywhere we can, it seems win win. For this experiment, since it sprung forth from the July 18th 2018 statements , I think itnwould be fun to estimate how much turn around we could have done since then if Germany (EU) had more sensible energy policy.
Habebe Member	Wed Mar 09 13:28:27 In 2011 Germany had 17 operating Nuclear plants. Now they have 3. Im not sure how many could be brought back to operational, but that seems a faster route than building from scratch. And means that's not fuel needed to be shipped acrossnthe Atlantic. Norway could probably increase production somewhat as well. US/Canadian LNG would be a major component of the transition, but not soley.
Habebe Member	Wed Mar 09 13:30:59 Also, US NG companies may be a good investment about now.
Dukhat Member	Wed Mar 09 13:40:31 Fucking Merkel. Retarded-ass decision to shut down the nuclear power plants and become more dependent on Russian gas.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Mar 09 13:52:30 "so strictly speaking 228GW of installed capacity." At 1 GW each thats 228 cores. Certainly doable over 10-20 years from a science and industry perspective. The industry was installing at nearly that rate in the heyday back before TMI and chernobyl and the greens ruined it. Just needed the political willpower to bring it back.
Hrothgar Member	Wed Mar 09 13:59:45 In war news, feels like Russia's sluggish ground assault is getting it's feet under it finally. They will proudly pound every Ukrainian city into dust... in the name of... still not clear on the 'why' besides anti-NATO rage.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Mar 09 14:01:46 Because putin is a fucking retard.
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