Utopia Talk / Politics / Rittenhouse IV

murder Member	Wed Nov 17 07:50:38 This is the one where Rocky wins the Cold War all by himself. :o)
Rugian Member	Wed Nov 17 08:51:38 Rittenhouse already did that when he squared off against Antifa commies. Real America went 3-0 that night. U S A! U S A!
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 09:41:43 You know what would be great? A Ghostbusters parody. In this one they have locked up rittenhouse.Instead of ghosts it would be the mayor being inundated with commies burning the city. Then the mayor releases him to fight the hordes of evil. Some tweaking of the song and its a wrap.
murder Member	Wed Nov 17 10:15:33 "Just come out as jergul jr and say open carry should be punishable by imprisonment or death, and people should be able to ambush open carriers from hiding spots while their friends pop shots off in the air." Forwyn: Of course people should be able to ambush open carriers. "SHOOTER!" Not only do I think so, but so does the law. You just have to claim to be in fear for your life ... and living in the US with all the mass shooting events we have, who wouldn't be justifiably in fear of someone flaunting a firearm? You're not the only good guy with a gun that gets to determine who the bad guys with guns are.
murder Member	Wed Nov 17 10:28:16 Rittenhouse is going to get acquitted. Then we'll see if the feds charge him.
Rugian Member	Wed Nov 17 10:48:44 That wouldn't surprise me at all if they did, Garland is a piece of shit flunky who openly takes his orders from Ron Klain. McConnell did the entire country a massive favor by killing his Supreme Court nomination. We dodged a huge bullet there.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 11:06:16 I think the US system is turning into one where any active shooter should not be approached, but rather put down at a distance. The self-defense of one does not impact on the self-defense of others.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 11:09:15 As to murder's comment. Well, sort of? It factually is true that the threat a weapon carried is to your depends entirely on the carrier's state of mind. How far does your trust in humanity go? How far does it go if the carrier just shot someone?
Rugian Member	Wed Nov 17 11:10:57 Jergul We get it already dude, you don't live here and you don't understand firearms.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 11:16:08 I understand firearms perfectly well. I don't understand the gun cult you guys have with all its relitious rituals. I do however know you are allowed to kill active shooters. The US legal system is of course a joke. But we all know that anyway. In Norway? 8-12 years. Out in 4. With none of the cultish behavior seen in these threads.
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 11:20:17 In Norway the women force the men to sit while they per.
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 11:20:27 Per*
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 11:20:47 Autocorrect... Pee.
Rugian Member	Wed Nov 17 11:21:37 Imagine thinking that you'd have to be in a "gun cult" to want to see your country's neighborhoods defended from rioters. In jerguland, you would just let the criminals do whatever I guess.
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 11:25:14 In each of the three situations, Kyle was either fleeing or on the ground being attacked/threatened. That's not even up for debate. So.any of the rest seems to be pent up left wing rage.Theyve been fed a steady stream of trial be media that was a false narrative, so they'rve got a horse in this race. For fucks sakes Trump even said he appeared to be defending himself. Right then and there all logic went put the door and was replaced by emotionally charged tribalism.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 11:28:46 lol habebe, I always laugh when you say that. I have literally killed several billion animals. You talk about every garden snake you shoot illegally. Ruggy In Norway, we have the police, the homeguard, and ultimately the military if need be. But thank you for sharing one of your cult's lithurgies.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 11:32:23 Habebe An active shooter is an active shooter. Anyone taking down an active shooter can reasonably believe there was a huge danger unless he is drops his weapon, raises his hands, and tries to surrender.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 11:33:52 The guy with the gun could and should have shoot him. The guy with the skateboard should have openly carried a gun to defend against possible active shooters.
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 11:41:27 Is Jergul having a meltdown?
murder Member	Wed Nov 17 11:43:07 "The self-defense of one does not impact on the self-defense of others." The amusing thing to me is people like Rittenhouse put themselves in position to play police ... but if someone else takes on the same role then s/he is an assailant. Rittenhouse can confront someone with a deadly weapon, but Rittenhouse confronted with a deadly weapon becomes a valid excuse for self-defense. People are allowed to deputize themselves and police the streets. I wonder what the law would say about 5 guys with boxcutters deputizing themselves air marshals and commandeering a passenger jet.
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 11:44:02 On private land I'll kill all the snakes I want.
murder Member	Wed Nov 17 11:45:32 "In each of the three situations, Kyle was either fleeing or on the ground being attacked/threatened." In any of the three situations a gunman was being apprehended by concerned citizens.
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 11:46:46 "Rittenhouse can confront someone with a deadly weapon, but Rittenhouse confronted with a deadly weapon becomes a valid excuse for self-defense." No, it became self defense when people aimed the gun at his head , chased him or ganged up on him beating him on the ground If he was just approaching people and aiming the gun at them and chasing them, he would have lost the right of self defense.
murder Member	Wed Nov 17 11:50:10 "No, it became self defense when people aimed the gun at his head , chased him or ganged up on him beating him on the ground" Don't you want citizens confronting and apprehending gunmen?
Sam Adams Member	Wed Nov 17 12:26:59 There is a crowd of enraged blms yelling outside the courthouse. At one point do we say thats enough jury intimidating and just free him via mistrial?
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 12:31:49 habebe Is there an exemption in state law that allows you to use firearms on private land? They never should have approached him. They should have shot him once he became an active gunman and did not immediately drop his weapon and raise his hands. His self-defense does not in any way limit the self-defense of others. For example. Grosskreutz. Has he been charge with assault or attempted homicide on Rittenhouse? Why not? Perhaps because he was confronting an active shooter? Do you really want a system where you throw people into jail for confronting active shooters?
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 12:34:11 Sammy Who is this "we" you are talking about? The jury is cloistered, so should not be intimidated by anything.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 12:35:29 Also, why in God's name would you want a redo on this circus?
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 12:37:42 Jergul, I can legally own my firearms. It is illegal to kill snakes on public land.Its that simple.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 12:43:52 North Carolina?
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 12:48:30 Or is this some BS argument about possessing and owning a gun are two different things? Maybe. My point was that I did not think it was legal for you to possess a gun.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Nov 17 12:51:29 hero shows up at courthouse w/ a rifle... i'm glad these protectors have such good sense http://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1460995864642703363
murder Member	Wed Nov 17 12:51:31 btw I meant to ask earlier, but wtf was up with the juror BINGO that they used to set the jury? Is this normal in states with lots of dairy cows? What kind of fuckery is that?
murder Member	Wed Nov 17 12:54:09 "There is a crowd of enraged blms yelling outside the courthouse. At one point do we say thats enough jury intimidating and just free him via mistrial?" What was your opinion when gunmen stormed the Michigan Statehouse?
murder Member	Wed Nov 17 12:57:18 "The jury is cloistered, so should not be intimidated by anything." I don't think they are sequestered.
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 13:08:16 Meh, this case is getting boring. Aubrey seems pretty open and shut. I miss Trump, he's chocolate. He is always on trial, whats up with the next Trump trial?
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 13:08:52 Cloistered is actually a thing :D
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 13:11:26 http://www...y-and-why-there-was-a-lottery/ Eighteen jurors listened to all of the testimony in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, but only a dozen will actually be deliberating. The other six were removed from the jury in what appears to be an unconventional procedure. It’s something that may look more familiar in a bingo hall than a courtroom, but it’s a very real and completely legal process because of a very specific Wisconsin state statute. So I guess its a local thing.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Nov 17 13:18:00 Kyle picking the numbers was weird, but judge says that's his normal practice (or thought it would be fun for the little boy) judge w/ accused murderer hanging out over his shoulder: http://images.mktw.net/im-435188?width=700&height=466 i'm not accusing him of bias (just insinuating :p)
Forwyn Member	Wed Nov 17 14:38:27 "Not only do I think so, but so does the law. You just have to claim to be in fear for your life ... and living in the US with all the mass shooting events we have, who wouldn't be justifiably in fear of someone flaunting a firearm?" Lol no. Open carry being legal, it is not justification on its own. Gaige and Anthony may have had such a claim, but Rosenbaum intentionally hid behind a car to jump Kyle while he ran to a torched vehicle with a fire extinguisher. You can't be retarded enough to be unironically defending this suicidal homeless pedophile that threatened to kill people all night rofl
murder Member	Wed Nov 17 15:06:34 "Rosenbaum intentionally hid behind a car to jump Kyle while he ran to a torched vehicle with a fire extinguisher." Approaching a burning vehicle with an explosive device. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxvdrge1q00 Rosenbaum was trying to stop a terrorist. He died a hero.
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 15:20:09 My heroes are not child rapists, but you do you.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 15:22:32 Forwyn Being an active shooter is a justification on its own. I think we have all be clear that the argument is for after shots have been fired.
murder Member	Wed Nov 17 15:25:31 Every Republican's hero is a child killer.
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 15:29:51 ^Pedastooling pedophiles to insult repubs.....
Seb Member	Wed Nov 17 15:38:14 Murder: Re BLM protestors outside the courthouse - Sam screamed bloody murder when "Tommy Robbins" in the UK defied court orders and not just protested outside courts, but specifically by the back entrance to specifically harass witnesses and jurors entering, thereby threatening the collapse of a terrorism trial. So I'm surprised he is suddenly opposed to any protest at all.
kargen Member	Wed Nov 17 15:49:13 "An active shooter is an active shooter. Anyone taking down an active shooter can reasonably believe there was a huge danger unless he is drops his weapon, raises his hands, and tries to surrender." This is correct. Doesn't apply here at all though because the first incident happened two blocks away. Rittenhouse passed many many people without firing his weapon. He was not threatening anybody between the first shooting and the 2nd. He was not an active shooter. Active shooter pretty much implies a person that is shooting. Hell it doesn't even imply. It flat out states. You have a habit of saying true things that are meaningless to the even or conversation. "In any of the three situations a gunman was being apprehended by concerned citizens." No, a person holding a gun was attacked by agitated and aggressive rioters. "They never should have approached him. They should have shot him once he became an active gunman and did not immediately drop his weapon and raise his hands." THe kicker here if they didn't approach him he never would have fired a shot. That should clear things up for you. Grosskreutz could eventually face charges but because police didn't collect any evidence it would be tough to prosecute even if prosecutors were willing. They could get him for illegal conceal and carry because his permit had expired if someone decides to push it. He didn't actually assault Rittenhouse because Rittenhouse successfully defended himself. He could be charged with menacing for pointing his weapon but I doubt the DA is willing to press any charges. Doesn't fit their agenda. What is sad is CNN MSNBC and others showed the prosecutors closing remarks but went to something else instead of showing defenses closing remarks and are now spinning to try and stir up discourse so they will have something to cover when the riots start. For them an acquittal and their audiences ignorance means more dollars for them. Horrible business model but it is all they have.
Forwyn Member	Wed Nov 17 16:28:39 "Being an active shooter is a justification on its own. I think we have all be clear that the argument is for after shots have been fired." Which is why intervening is discouraged; Huber might be alive and Grosskreutz might be intact if they didn't give chase. In any case, as I've said, likely justified intervention, but doesn't doesn't preclude Kyle's self-defense if first shooting was justified (and it clearly was).
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 16:35:33 Kargen Two blocks ain't nothing. How many minutes was that? They should have shot him after he became an active shooter. Not before. The kicker here is that there is a reasonable mindset criteria to self defense. When exactly it stops being reasonable to kill an active shooter in a crowd context does not depend on the political views of the person shooting or being shot. No matter how much you will like to believe otherwise.
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 16:37:01 Can anyone explain to me why people are mad there are not more black people on the jury?
Forwyn Member	Wed Nov 17 17:29:53 Odds are already stacked by having seven Karens and a black dude out of twelve.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 17:37:02 Only Rittenhouse has black heritage out of the 4 (you doubt it? Just look at him), so its not really a racial issue.
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 17:53:49 The Black White Supremacist!
kargen Member	Wed Nov 17 18:15:57 What do you mean two blocks ain't nothing? How long doesn't matter. They obviously didn't see the event two blocks away. They essentially heard someone yell get him. Rittenhouse if he was an active shooter had a few hundred targets between the two events. He only fired on those that approached and threatened him. If no person had rushed and attempted to assault him no person would have been shot by him. That is simple to see. You saying active shooter over and over and over and over and over and over isn't going to change the fact that there was no active shooter. It stops being reasonable to kill an active shooter when the shooter is no longer an active shooter. You are correct about the political views but again you are saying something that is true but has nothing to do with the discussion. You might as well tell us the Titanic sunk. Mindset criteria? When you have to chase someone who has said he is going to the police your mindset isn't I better defend myself. It is absolute bullshit that the people attacking Rittenhouse felt threatened. All they felt was pissed off because he wasn't on their side and even with the gun they saw him as an easy target. Look at photos of him from a year ago. He looks like someone that could easily be curb stomped no matter how well armed and that is exactly what they saw and what they were set on doing. He didn't intimidate or threaten them in any way. Hell if he did the two dead might still be alive.
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 18:22:23 When will this white on white crime end? Wtf? My autocorrect is acting worse than usual. It switched end to and ans wtf to why and wry.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 18:34:02 Kargen Turns out he was still pretty active on the shooting people part. For his own reasons, but dont active shooters always have their own reasons? In my mind, he ceases to be an active shooter when he drops the weapon and puts up his hands. That he in his mind thought he was surrounded by the enemy just underlines that active shootiness to the whole situation. The point remains that they should not have tried to stop him with anything other than bullets, no matter how geeky he looked. He had a gun and had just shot someone.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 18:35:09 Habebe Rittenhouse is obviously also of black heritage. So hardly white on white crime.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 17 18:35:54 LLet me guess. The only thing that matters is that he self-identifies as white? I might agree, but that is hardly the party line.
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 18:39:07 When will the white on black crime end?
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 17 18:39:56 They were probably trying to enslave Kyle to work their stuffing mines.Its what white ppl do.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 18 00:33:13 Well, in that sense it is a typical white on black man scenario. Only the fellow with the black heritage has been charged.
Habebe Member	Thu Nov 18 00:40:52 "Only the fellow with the black heritage has been charged." Well, legal precedent says that we have to hold him until we find someone darker. It originates from an old tree house of horror when London is looking for the muttonchop murderer and arrests pay until they find someone. Darker.
Habebe Member	Thu Nov 18 01:28:23 Pay= Apu
kargen Member	Thu Nov 18 04:40:10 "Turns out he was still pretty active on the shooting people" Only after he was attacked and even then only if you very loosely apply the term. Your mind is wrong. He was retreating. He was posing no threat to the people that chased him down and attacked him. He was surrounded. He took a punch, a kick to the head, two hits from a skateboard (blunt weapon unless hit with edge) and was confronted by a man wielding a handgun. Others were approaching until he fired the first shot and they thought better. The point remains they should not have confronted him. Had they not confronted him they would be alive and uninjured. That can be said for each and every one of them including the first. Had they not first attacked him they would not have been shot. There is no way you can believe otherwise.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 18 07:30:37 Kargen Yepp, never confront an active shooter. Shoot him.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 18 07:43:18 My point is that this is the moral of the Rittenhouse affair.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 18 11:46:07 All MSNBC employees banned from courthouse after the far left outfit was caught trying to dox jurors. Should be a mistrial at this point.
Habebe Member	Thu Nov 18 12:05:13 More ledt wing. Domestic terrorism.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 18 12:14:22 Wow, the 3rd day of deliberations seems to have worried you.
Habebe Member	Thu Nov 18 12:19:44 I have nothing to lose. MSNBC pulling tactics that if used against abortion doctors is considered terrorism. These are people fulfilling their civic duty and the left tries to get them killed.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 18 12:37:59 MSNBC is shooting and blowing up jurors? You are right. That is terrorism.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 18 12:47:03 "MSNBC is shooting and blowing up jurors?" MSNBC would love it if one of their deranged followers shot a juror. Especially if the shooter and victim were of different races. Think of the ratings they would get from more violence.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 18 12:48:52 That would be true of absolutely every media outlet and at least one of the political parties. ""Last night, a freelancer received a traffic citation. While the traffic violation took place near the jury van, the freelancer never contacted or intended to contact the jurors during deliberations, and never photographed or intended to photograph them," NBC News said in a statement. "We regret the incident and will fully cooperate with the authorities on any investigation." That is what you are whining about? Jeeze.
Forwyn Member	Thu Nov 18 13:12:04 He just happened to run a red light right behind the jury van after both left the courthouse. Lol
kargen Member	Thu Nov 18 13:12:51 "Yepp, never confront an active shooter." Active shooter still has nothing to do for this case. But yeah stupid to charge an active shooter with a skateboard. Again you say something true but it doesn't have anything to do with what happened. Do you agree that none of those men would have been shot if they had not charged/attacked Rittenhouse?
kargen Member	Thu Nov 18 13:18:53 The van is used to take jurors to and from the courthouse and a secure location they try to keep unknown because of threats to the jurors. The windows are blacked so people can't see passengers in the van while the van is in traffic. It is true the reporter didn't get a photograph. He fully intended to get a photograph as jurors exited the vehicle.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 18 13:32:52 Kargen Has nothing to do with this case. This is an imagined scenario where an active shooter like Kyle was killed instead of confronted. Its one of the conclusions to draw from the trial. Shoot an active gunner. Dont confront him. He has a gun.
Habebe Member	Thu Nov 18 13:39:54 Jergul sure likes to repeat disengenuous troll bait.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 18 13:45:43 "While the traffic violation took place near the jury van, the freelancer never contacted or intended to contact the jurors" Yes, this is why the msnbc executive responsible just deleted her twitter and linkedin. Definitely the behavior of innocent mistake. Rofl jergul is so gullible.
kargen Member	Thu Nov 18 13:53:07 You say has nothing to do with the case then you say active shooter like Kyle. Kyle wasn't an active shooter. What you should take away is do not assault an armed man even if you think he looks weak and you have superior numbers.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 18 15:52:22 He had a gun in a crowd and had just shot someone. Active shooter from any reasonable point of view. At worst? Let the jury sort it out.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 18 15:53:27 habebe You have just gotten sucked into the Rittenhouse narrative. Maybe imagine the active shooter was a black man? That help you out?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Nov 18 16:06:57 some of you respect Glenn Greenwald... well, here's his comment on the juror van thing: "MSNBC obstructing justice by trying to make the Rittenhouse jurors know that the media is watching them and trying to discover their identity, as a little warning that they had better deliver the right verdict" http://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1461391735955902469 a real neutral objective take there... couldn't possibly be just standard media vulture swarming behavior, let's assume worst possible motive
kargen Member	Thu Nov 18 16:16:10 You didn't answer my question. That is because you know answering truthfully means admitting he was not an active shooter. He was running towards the police. Was closer to the police he was trying to get to than the sight of the first shooting. His gun was pointed down and his finger was not on the trigger. His back was to the people that attacked him and he was moving away from them. He did not raise his gun towards anybody between the first and second shooting. He announce he was friendly and going to the police. Even when first attacked he still practiced good trigger finger awareness. You can see that in a couple of the more clear stills. He was not an active shooter. The prosecution didn't in the end argue that he was. They argued that he had not exhausted all options available to him in trying to get clear of the situation before using deadly force.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 18 16:35:06 Kargen I think he was an active shooter until he dropped his weapon, raised his hands and yelled for someone to call 911. Which is the reasonable course of action for anyone who had just shot someone. Any reasonable person would assume a malignant mindset from a person who had just shot someone in a crowd and did not disarm.
kargen Member	Thu Nov 18 16:45:08 I know you said that you thought that before and I told you before that does not fit the description of an active shooter. Especially not in the United States. Active shooter means active in the process of shooting. You still didn't answer my question. and another question for you. If you are surrounded and outnumber by people hostile towards you does it make sense for you to give up your weapon to them in a riot situation? Watch the video. Most people didn't even give Rittenhouse much beyond a 2nd glance until he was attacked. He wasn't a threat. People in the crowd didn't see him as a threat where the 2nd shooting took place. A person shoots someone but you have no idea the circumstances. That person then within sight and earshot of you is moving towards the police with his gun pointed down and his hand not on the trigger saying friendly friendly friendly and I am going to the police. He is moving away from you and the crowd and your reasonable conclusion is I better run up behind him and hit him with a rock? Actually no. Your reasonable conclusion is I better shoot him in the back with my illegal handgun.
murder Member	Thu Nov 18 16:58:38 "That person then within sight and earshot of you is moving towards the police with his gun pointed down and his hand not on the trigger saying friendly friendly friendly ..." That's exactly what a terrorist would say to get your guard down. "Actually no. Your reasonable conclusion is I better shoot him in the back with my illegal handgun." You mean shoot the guy with the illegal rifle in the back with your illegal gun?
murder Member	Thu Nov 18 17:02:14 Lets cut through the bullshit. You don't carry a rifle around for "self-defense" Rifles are for shooting at a distance. Rittenhouse brought a rifle to the party to (at best) confront and intimidate people that he had no reason to have any contact with at all. But he's going to get off anyway.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 18 17:09:20 Kargen Yepp, the reasonable action is to shoot, not confront an active shooter. The self-defense of one does not negate the self-defense of others. This is the lesson to be learned from the trial. At worst, it will be up to a jury to sort out.
kargen Member	Thu Nov 18 20:17:41 Except the rifle was legal. Actually legality while the incident happens doesn't come into play as those around would not know. Rittenhouse couldn't legally carry a handgun. A handgun would have been ideal for that situation but he had to follow the law. Yes jergul you have made it clear we should shoot an active shooter. Now type something pertinent to the case. Who was the person with the skateboard defending? Who was being threatened when the guy with the skateboard gave chase? Watch the video and see if you can point to even a single person Rittenhouse threatened. You still haven't answered my question. let me remind you: Do you agree that none of those men would have been shot if they had not charged/attacked Rittenhouse? Going one farther. Would Rittenhouse have fired at anybody that night had he not been attacked?
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 18 22:27:53 "You don't carry a rifle around for "self-defense" Of course you do. 30 medium energy rounds at a time with 0 kickback, good aim, easy to use, reliable. The modern "assault" rifle is the greatest self defense weapon ever made. Long ago, when i lived near negroville, we had them for self defense all the time.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 18 22:29:33 Better than an autoloader shotgun with buckshot. WAY better than a shitty handgun.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 18 22:32:53 Huge advantage for ladies and europeans too. Women cant handle most handguns and all shotguns. Women can usually fire ARs and AKs. Very gently on the shoulder. Very easy to use.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 18 22:38:58 Kargen A reasonable person would have thought Kyle was an active shooter in a crowd environment. Do I think the two last men would have been shot if they had not tried to apprehend an active shooter? I doubt it. Their mistake was to try and apprehend what they thought was an active shooter. Next time have a gun instead of a skateboard in one case and put him down. I recommend ARs for self-protection next time.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 18 22:41:08 You do recognize that none of those you are trying to frame as attackers have been charged, right?
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 18 22:46:07 "You do recognize that none of those you are trying to frame as attackers have been charged, right?" Well the first two dont need to be charged, lol, and the gay earing medic with the handgun has a legit self defense claim. You do recognize that under the law in some scenarios combatants can both be legally able to claim self defense, right?
kargen Member	Thu Nov 18 22:46:19 So in a crowd of a few hundred people there was only five reasonable? I suppose that is true they were there rioting for no fucking reason. But no you are simply wrong and you know you are wrong. He wasn't pointing his gun at anyone between shooting the first and 2nd person. He wasn't threatening anyone. He was trying to turn himself in. If you knew he had shot someone and heard him say I am going to the police while he is going towards the police and you had two brain cells left you would think hey he is turning himself in. If you didn't know he shot someone and heard him say I am going to the police while he is walking towards the police you might think hey this bastard is about to rat us out let's top him. They didn't think he was an active shooter and you know he wasn't an active shooter.
kargen Member	Thu Nov 18 22:50:42 Forgot to add. It's beginning to look like either hung jury or at least one guilty verdict. A couple of friends have said there is talk that two on the jury are afraid to vote not guilty on all counts. Those friends listen to Alex Jones though so I am not putting much weight on what they say. I do still think it is possible the threat of riots is making one or more hope for a mistrial. We do know the jury can hear the protestors through the walls and it is very likely they know the MSNBC guy tried to DOX them.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 18 22:56:30 "two on the jury are afraid to vote not guilty on all counts. Those friends listen to Alex Jones though so I am not putting much weight on what they say." Ya that was a twitter rumor started by prosobiec... shotty source. Almost as bad as msnbc.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 18 22:57:54 "very likely they know the MSNBC guy tried to DOX them." Yup. Judge is already known and hated by the far left. Might as well just end it and say mistrial with prej and get it over with.
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