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murder
Member Mon Nov 08 06:16:08

Walmart is using fully driverless trucks to ramp up its online grocery business

* Walmart and Silicon Valley start-up Gatik said that, since August, they've operated two autonomous box trucks, without a safety driver, on a 7-mile loop daily for 12 hours.

* "Taking the driver out is the holy grail of this technology." Gatik CEO Gautam Narang, who founded the company in 2017, told CNBC.

Read it here if you want to ...

http://www...s-online-grocery-business.html

Dukhat
Member Mon Nov 08 08:35:38
Fred was almost as old as HotRod. I doubt he cares. And this is driven by a huge shortage of truck drivers which is going to last for many years so I doubt Fred cares. Also Fred is old as dirt and might not even be driving trucks anymore.

And It's all fine and dandy until one driverless truck is involved in an accident even though there are thousands of such incidents with live drivers every year. Then the media will latch on and adoption will slow.

Just like with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine, .001% chance of death will change everything.

Social Media will blow up any mistakes from change.

nhill
Member Mon Nov 08 09:09:46
This isn't even a semi truck. :p

Rugian
Member Mon Nov 08 09:20:13
Id say we're still multiple generations away from completely driverless trucks. There will probably be an extended transition period where truckers are kept in an airline pilot role - aka being behind the wheel in case something goes wrong.

The logistics sector as a whole though is a prime target for automation. In the long term, a whole lot of blue collar employees in that sector are going to find their jobs eliminated.

murder
Member Mon Nov 08 12:37:35

"I doubt he cares."

I didn't think he would. I didn't think he'd see it either.

murder
Member Mon Nov 08 12:44:35

"Id say we're still multiple generations away from completely driverless trucks. There will probably be an extended transition period where truckers are kept in an airline pilot role - aka being behind the wheel in case something goes wrong."

Yeah, all it would take is one really ugly wreck and the whole thing would be set back years. They need someone behind the wheel to blame.

"The logistics sector as a whole though is a prime target for automation. In the long term, a whole lot of blue collar employees in that sector are going to find their jobs eliminated."

Hauling shit at night on the interstate while the "driver" naps.

jergul
large member Mon Nov 08 12:48:53
It would matter a lot of driver assist+ decreased resting hour requirements.

That could happen soon and would be a significant boon to transport productivity.

Then perhaps convoys with the front vehicle manned with a standby driver.

jergul
large member Mon Nov 08 12:50:20
I have to say I almost did not click on these thread. Tech can make Fred obsolete in several areas. This was definitely the most wholesome of possible variants.

murder
Member Mon Nov 08 12:59:06

The underaged Mexican hookers are tied up in the trailer.

patom
Member Mon Nov 08 13:24:45
In my experience, the food industry would fight this tooth and nail. They rely on the free labor that they get from truck drivers not in their employ to unload and re palatize their loads of food products.

I don't know for sure but I believe I'm older than Fred (big fucking deal). If he's still driving he may have more miles than I did.

In a limited capacity I can see how driverless trucks could come into use. But one hell of a lot of automation will have to be involved. Loading, unloading, warehousing etc. etc. etc.

Rugian
Member Mon Nov 08 13:38:00
Patom

All of that can be automated.

I have even seen the argument that automating loading and unloading in warehouses would lead to cost savings on storage, since a robot-controlled forklift is capable of making tighter turns and therefore less floor space would be needed for their operation.

Automation of this sector is coming, its just a matter of when.

nhill
Member Mon Nov 08 14:35:35
No offense to patom, but I look forward to the day when semis aren't driven by humans anymore. I've driven over 10,000 miles on interstates this year (frequent RVer) and there's been a huge uptick this year in semi truck drivers that think they are driving a Ferrari or something. Trying to pass people with their jank ass acceleration (where it takes like 2 minutes to get pass the semi they are trying to pass), or suddenly switching lane like they are on a motorcycle in rush hour.

Not sure what the issue is, if I'm just noticing shitty semi drivers more, or if semi drivers are getting shittier.

Sam Adams
Member Mon Nov 08 23:06:57
"where truckers are kept in an airline pilot role - aka being behind the wheel in case something goes wrong."

Problem is pilots at cruise usually have a long time to react. 7 miles up, in thin air, its pretty hard to do something so wrong quickly that you cant fix it before impact. Even max control deflection probably wont kill you since you are just above that speed. Perhaps something like trying to wiggle your tail off like the airbus bug at JFK that killed that aal flight. But that design error should have been fixed by now. At any rate, a pilot at cruise can be complacent and still probably save the day if the autopilot sebs things up. A driver has no such luxury. React rapidly or get fucked.

Once you put a car in the hands of a decent computer, having a human monitoring isnt worth much(and might have negative value according to some engineers).

patom
Member Tue Nov 09 05:28:12
There are some products that could probably be loaded or unloaded with automation. But there are many that just won't happen with. For one thing, using the food industry as an example. The cost to retailers to install robots to unload at their retail stores. The same at warehouses that break down the products to be delivered to retailers.

I could see quality control going down with robots not being capable of seeing rot or damaged packaging.

Here in Maine the blue berry farms have gone where possible to mechanical harvesters about 30 years ago they spent a ton of money pulling boulders from the blue berry barrens to level them out as much as possible and allow mechanical harvesters to do the raking. Only steep hillsides still need to be raked by hand. There still comes a point when they have to break down loads to be delivered to small end users.

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murder Member	Mon Nov 08 06:16:08 Walmart is using fully driverless trucks to ramp up its online grocery business * Walmart and Silicon Valley start-up Gatik said that, since August, they've operated two autonomous box trucks, without a safety driver, on a 7-mile loop daily for 12 hours. * "Taking the driver out is the holy grail of this technology." Gatik CEO Gautam Narang, who founded the company in 2017, told CNBC. Read it here if you want to ... http://www...s-online-grocery-business.html
Dukhat Member	Mon Nov 08 08:35:38 Fred was almost as old as HotRod. I doubt he cares. And this is driven by a huge shortage of truck drivers which is going to last for many years so I doubt Fred cares. Also Fred is old as dirt and might not even be driving trucks anymore. And It's all fine and dandy until one driverless truck is involved in an accident even though there are thousands of such incidents with live drivers every year. Then the media will latch on and adoption will slow. Just like with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine, .001% chance of death will change everything. Social Media will blow up any mistakes from change.
nhill Member	Mon Nov 08 09:09:46 This isn't even a semi truck. :p
Rugian Member	Mon Nov 08 09:20:13 Id say we're still multiple generations away from completely driverless trucks. There will probably be an extended transition period where truckers are kept in an airline pilot role - aka being behind the wheel in case something goes wrong. The logistics sector as a whole though is a prime target for automation. In the long term, a whole lot of blue collar employees in that sector are going to find their jobs eliminated.
murder Member	Mon Nov 08 12:37:35 "I doubt he cares." I didn't think he would. I didn't think he'd see it either.
murder Member	Mon Nov 08 12:44:35 "Id say we're still multiple generations away from completely driverless trucks. There will probably be an extended transition period where truckers are kept in an airline pilot role - aka being behind the wheel in case something goes wrong." Yeah, all it would take is one really ugly wreck and the whole thing would be set back years. They need someone behind the wheel to blame. "The logistics sector as a whole though is a prime target for automation. In the long term, a whole lot of blue collar employees in that sector are going to find their jobs eliminated." Hauling shit at night on the interstate while the "driver" naps.
jergul large member	Mon Nov 08 12:48:53 It would matter a lot of driver assist+ decreased resting hour requirements. That could happen soon and would be a significant boon to transport productivity. Then perhaps convoys with the front vehicle manned with a standby driver.
jergul large member	Mon Nov 08 12:50:20 I have to say I almost did not click on these thread. Tech can make Fred obsolete in several areas. This was definitely the most wholesome of possible variants.
murder Member	Mon Nov 08 12:59:06 The underaged Mexican hookers are tied up in the trailer.
patom Member	Mon Nov 08 13:24:45 In my experience, the food industry would fight this tooth and nail. They rely on the free labor that they get from truck drivers not in their employ to unload and re palatize their loads of food products. I don't know for sure but I believe I'm older than Fred (big fucking deal). If he's still driving he may have more miles than I did. In a limited capacity I can see how driverless trucks could come into use. But one hell of a lot of automation will have to be involved. Loading, unloading, warehousing etc. etc. etc.
Rugian Member	Mon Nov 08 13:38:00 Patom All of that can be automated. I have even seen the argument that automating loading and unloading in warehouses would lead to cost savings on storage, since a robot-controlled forklift is capable of making tighter turns and therefore less floor space would be needed for their operation. Automation of this sector is coming, its just a matter of when.
nhill Member	Mon Nov 08 14:35:35 No offense to patom, but I look forward to the day when semis aren't driven by humans anymore. I've driven over 10,000 miles on interstates this year (frequent RVer) and there's been a huge uptick this year in semi truck drivers that think they are driving a Ferrari or something. Trying to pass people with their jank ass acceleration (where it takes like 2 minutes to get pass the semi they are trying to pass), or suddenly switching lane like they are on a motorcycle in rush hour. Not sure what the issue is, if I'm just noticing shitty semi drivers more, or if semi drivers are getting shittier.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Nov 08 23:06:57 "where truckers are kept in an airline pilot role - aka being behind the wheel in case something goes wrong." Problem is pilots at cruise usually have a long time to react. 7 miles up, in thin air, its pretty hard to do something so wrong quickly that you cant fix it before impact. Even max control deflection probably wont kill you since you are just above that speed. Perhaps something like trying to wiggle your tail off like the airbus bug at JFK that killed that aal flight. But that design error should have been fixed by now. At any rate, a pilot at cruise can be complacent and still probably save the day if the autopilot sebs things up. A driver has no such luxury. React rapidly or get fucked. Once you put a car in the hands of a decent computer, having a human monitoring isnt worth much(and might have negative value according to some engineers).
patom Member	Tue Nov 09 05:28:12 There are some products that could probably be loaded or unloaded with automation. But there are many that just won't happen with. For one thing, using the food industry as an example. The cost to retailers to install robots to unload at their retail stores. The same at warehouses that break down the products to be delivered to retailers. I could see quality control going down with robots not being capable of seeing rot or damaged packaging. Here in Maine the blue berry farms have gone where possible to mechanical harvesters about 30 years ago they spent a ton of money pulling boulders from the blue berry barrens to level them out as much as possible and allow mechanical harvesters to do the raking. Only steep hillsides still need to be raked by hand. There still comes a point when they have to break down loads to be delivered to small end users.
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