Utopia Talk / Politics / big city socialists

Sam Adams Member	Thu Mar 04 11:08:12 http://kom...top-half-of-class-with-013-gpa Lol! 0.13 gpa is the median in a school full of africans and entrenched left-wing choices. Imagine throwing all that money at things like this and failing this badly.
Rugian Member	Thu Mar 04 11:17:30 It's a shitty school in a shitty neighborhood. These vacant rowhouses directly face the school: http://www...b53666da30b:0xefb68eb68b09654e Total shithole of an area.
patom Member	Thu Mar 04 11:34:15 This is as much a failure of the parents as it is the schools. The mother in this case apparently is busting her ass so hard to support herself and 3 kids by working 3 jobs. She's probably stressed to the max and doing the best that she can. But this kids failing probably pre-dated his entry into HS. It all starts at the earliest stages of elementary school or even Kindergarten. It only takes a short period of time for kids that young to realize that they don't have to work hard to go to the next grade. Schools have been promoting kids to the next grade without requirements for quite a while. The sad thing is that when you do that the child keeps sliding further and further behind in their comprehension skills. Sort of like building a house with a totally inadequate foundation. It is being built to fail. These kids are being pushed through the system with no accountability. Really sad. Sam Adams, I know you only put this out there because the school is predominantly black. The sad fact is there are kids from predominantly white schools having the same thing happening to them. What a waste of potential. http://www...ry/story.php?storyId=121374125
Rugian Member	Thu Mar 04 11:51:27 Patom The explosion of children born out of wedlock is also a major contributor to this problem. In 1965, 24% of black infants and 3.1% percent of white infants were born to single mothers. As of 2019, those numbers have soared to 64% of black children, 42% of Hispanic children, and 24% of white children. If this woman had been married and raised this kid in a two-parent home, he would probably be much better off in life. Her failure to do that is a big reason why that kid is in the position he is today. The gradual erosion of the nuclear family is one of the greatest crimes of the modern American era.
patom Member	Thu Mar 04 12:03:41 Can't argue with those figures. The real question is do we just sit back and throw our hands up in the air and say there is nothing we can do? One of the greatest explosions of wealth and knowledge in this country was when the vets came home from WWII and got the GI Bill. Many thousand, who pre war would never have gone to college, all of a sudden got that opportunity. They were the generation that fueled most of the innovations of the last 65 years. We tapped an unused reservoir of brain power that would have gone to waste. This world is going to need fresh brain power to get us through the looming problems this planet will face in the next hundred years. It's there for the taking.
habebe Member	Thu Mar 04 12:11:48 Its almost as.if this could be a side effect of anti family policies. Or its correlation over causation.Who knows.
Dukhat Member	Thu Mar 04 12:58:45 Its probably the result of the secular decline of jobs for no -college educated men combined with people being “pro-life” when they need to use condoms or have abortions. The men cant support a family even if they wanted too and the women shouldnt be having these kids either. But republicans depend on antiabortion dontwearacondom nutters and democrats depend on the black vote so its not an easy problem to solve.
Rugian Member	Thu Mar 04 13:31:02 Dukhat Member Thu Mar 04 12:58:45 "Its probably the result of...people being “pro-life” when they need to use condoms or have abortions." The US birth rate in 1960 was double what it was today. People were having more kids back then, not fewer. Also, abortion was a much bigger taboo back then than it is now. Also, prior to Roe abortion was illegal in 30 states. How can you seriously think that "pro-lifers" are to blame for the rise in single-parent homes? This is a problem that rose AFTER abortion became more common.
obaminated Member	Thu Mar 04 13:37:01 Government policies help out single moms which encourages them to have kids out of wedlock instead of having them force their baby daddy to marry them before knocking them up.
patom Member	Thu Mar 04 14:58:37 We could mandate that every male in the country have a DNA test. That every baby have a DNA test. That every biological male sperm donor be responsible for all of their offspring financially until the child is 18 years old.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Mar 05 12:22:58 "The gradual erosion of the nuclear family is one of the greatest crimes of the modern American era." You know who values the family, has low divorce rates and are most likely to say they will stay together as a family despite differences, for the kids? People who only have their nuclear family as their relatives and who find themselves in a foreign land far away from home. Immigrants.
Rugian Member	Fri Mar 05 12:34:32 Nim 33% of children of first-generation immigrants are born to unmarried mothers. It's a lower rate than the natives, but not hugely so. Patom I think the solution has to be more fundamental than that. There needs to be a shift in cultural values, that encourages Americans to have kids when they're in stable long-term relationships. Modifying financial incentives to reward such behavior would also help, but it would only be a supplemental solution. We need people to instinctively know that it's the right thing to do.
patom Member	Fri Mar 05 12:36:23 It's interesting that the vast majority of conservatives seem willing to put restrictions on females. Condemn them out of hand. None of them seem overly interested in keeping their cocks in their pants or taking responsibility for their offspring.
obaminated Member	Fri Mar 05 14:25:31 We have built these rules for women bodies in the past. What? 70 years? Why do we assume it is right? Men shouldnt rape women. Women shouldnt kill babies. Even if they have to sacrifice a year (ish) of their life growing it.
patom Member	Fri Mar 05 18:20:46 Fortunately I'm a man and will never have to give birth. I can't imagine what must go through a womans mind if she finds herself pregnant after being raped. Me personally, I would abort that in a heart beat and take pleasure knowing that the seed of that rapist will never see the light of day. I would then hunt the son of a bitch down and do my utmost to cut his balls off.
Habebe Member	Fri Mar 05 19:36:31 A year is nothing, men often end up paying for it for 18 years.
jergul large member	Fri Mar 05 19:44:07 Most men and women pay for much longer than 18 years.
Habebe Member	Fri Mar 05 20:31:25 Jergul, In cases of separation.The father generally pays the bulk.
jergul large member	Sat Mar 06 06:05:55 I would think not, even discounting the value of labour (raising children is quite labour intensive). "The average amount of child support due was $5,760 per year. That's less than $500 per month. Only 60% of that money—an average of $3,447 per year—was actually received On average, custodial single parents who receive child support get about $287 per month to help with food, shelter, clothing, medical costs, education, and incidentals" Google.
jergul large member	Sat Mar 06 06:10:28 That is for people with agreements for child support. Less than half have an agreement to get anything at all. So the aggregate would be 125 dollars per month on average for every single parent.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 06 06:14:13 Patom Let me help put 2 and 2 together. You make the connection here, ”seed of the rapist will never see the light of day, but not in your previous post. How do you think the violent and criminal men are procreating? It isn’t through rape, women are voluntarily getting pregnent with them and passing on the stupid. Most of these men are a lost cause, but there is some hope of convincing the women to stop fucking with these men. It is age old dilemma of ”the good man”, getting snubbed by girls for the ”bad boy”. Because it is actually a thing among some women and many of them simply never grow out of it.
patom Member	Sat Mar 06 08:56:49 Yep, there is always going to be some women who fall for the line of thinking that they can change their man. Naïve thinking. But that line of thought is part of the problem. You seem to be blaming it all on the woman. Like men just can't control themselves.
patom Member	Sat Mar 06 09:02:36 jergul, If they have DNA proof of who was the sperm donor. They shouldn't need any agreement. It will be mandated that the donor contribute financially to the care an upbringing of their offspring. Then maybe they would be more carful about how they spread their seed. Condoms or vasectomies might come into play more often.
jergul large member	Sat Mar 06 09:28:10 Patom Its a complicated thing and I don't think biology could trump all other information. This could be a finno-scandinavian thing. The concept of fostering is tremendously important here. The social father of the child weighs more heavily than the biological father of the child (which ultimately only became distinguishable medically relatively recently). But you would still need an agreement even if dna proof exists. Some body has to weigh the proof and find it legally binding.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 06 10:43:36 Patom ” You seem to be blaming it all on the woman.” Really? Because I think describing stupid women who make stupid choice as, ”naive”, and in pursuit of some noble goal of ”changing men”, is absolving them of responsibility. To the extent that what you described is even going on, that is not most of these women. It makes for a great cover story, I bet, when they are visiting them in jail, for the third round. The reality however is that, they are stupid and have trouble controling their impulses, just like the men they end up with. No surprise.
patom Member	Sat Mar 06 11:18:31 jergul, the social father is one that is in the child's life and more than likely supporting that child and mother. In that case there is no problem But there are many cases of the biological father ignoring the 'FINANCIAL' obligation of impregnating a woman. Nimatzo, so it's all the womans fault?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 06 11:23:50 Patom Your ”question” doesn’t deserve an answer.
TJ Member	Sat Mar 06 13:28:29 The ability of mental vision expressed seems astoundingly deficient considering some of the stereotypical language being applied. The average human takes in GB's of information every single day.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sat Mar 06 22:37:47 "His transcripts show he failed Spanish I and Algebra I but was promoted to Spanish II and Algebra II. He also failed English II but was passed on to English III." If a kid fails a course, then she or he fails the course, and needs to retake it. I don't even understand the motive here, you have to know you're wasting everyone's time, resources, setting the kid up for failure, etc, by enrolling a kid in Algebra II who failed Algebra I. Stupid and wasteful.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sat Mar 06 22:47:33 Wow. Looking up property profiles of random homes from Rugian's post. $80/yr property taxes lol
habebe Member	Sat Mar 06 23:09:53 Jergul, For starters, thise numbers seem crazy low. Secondly your assuming the father does not pay clothes, food, diapers etc. put of pocket. I did a quick Google and found in SC for example According to the US Census, the median household income in South Carolina is $5497. The South Carolina guidelines establish a basic child support obligation average between $793 to $1628. This range applies to parents of one to six children. Mind you this is a poor state, one of the poorest. The average may be brought down by a bunch of zero payments.
jergul large member	Sun Mar 07 08:08:20 habebe It costs 350k to see a child through college. You are ultimately suggesting median households in south carolina should not breed at all.
jergul large member	Sun Mar 07 08:24:50 The ongoing costs common households pay for not having social democracy is quite astounding. Value of free childcare 150days*8hrs*5USD*5years = 30k USD per child. For just one example.
Habebe Member	Sun Mar 07 09:57:24 Up until a child is 17 costs on average between 170k-230k. Even at 230k that's about 1120 a month.800 is more than 320.
Habebe Member	Sun Mar 07 10:22:00 Its also silly to assume wages for labor wages for your child.CS is paid ahead of time, should we then assign a value of a monthly pay day loan? Of course not.
Habebe Member	Sun Mar 07 10:25:10 Its also silly to assume wages for labor wages for your child.CS is paid ahead of time, should we then assign a value of a monthly pay day loan? Of course not. A father often helps keep the child secure, should we assign security pay? Financial advisor? Cooks pay?
jergul large member	Sun Mar 07 10:38:52 The value thing I mentioned is just one of the things we get for free because we all vote social democratic. Lost income is an alimony question, not a child support question. Child support just covers part. SC is likely way below 360 dollars a month. The State has more than 1.3 billion dollars in child payment arrears.
Habebe Member	Sun Mar 07 11:00:28 Yes well, you also sit to pee... Alimony is only for divorces....honestly I've always thought that pre nips should be standardized and able to opt out if you choose to prior to.bejng married.
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