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chuck
Member
Fri Feb 26 12:13:57
Sanctions coming.
chuck
Member
Fri Feb 26 12:16:35
Visa restrictions and sanctions on 76 Saudis involved in murder, including MBS.
Paramount
Member
Fri Feb 26 12:53:06
Good. But I hope they will do more than just sanctions and visa restrictions.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 26 13:08:34
so now we wait to see if Biden decides to disagree with the intel based on nothing
Allahuakbar
Member
Fri Feb 26 13:12:34
Sanctions on good Muslims but easy immigration for violent Mexicans? Biden is on the wrong path.
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Fri Feb 26 13:23:06
Biden talked to the Saudi King. MBS can still be replaced.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Feb 26 13:25:42
Trump hid this?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 26 13:33:17
yes... it was bad for arms sales
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 26 13:35:40
& the Saudis give him lots of money... including renting out rooms they never use
habebe
Member
Fri Feb 26 14:13:25
FYI arms sales accounting for like half our arms sales.

Anyone have a good link on the new evidence?
chuck
Member
Fri Feb 26 14:28:36
Apparently the individual sanctions don't apply to MBS himself.
habebe
Member
Fri Feb 26 14:30:48
I see they declassified a report, but I cant find the actual report.
habebe
Member
Fri Feb 26 14:34:21
http://us....sified-report-on-jk/index.html

got it.
Paramount
Member
Fri Feb 26 14:35:45
I think you have got to log in

http://www...t-jamal-khashoggi-killing.html
habebe
Member
Fri Feb 26 14:42:26
The one on CNN was just 4 pages, saying that since the prince was in charge of security/Intel at the time they assess him as involved.....not much of a case.

I mean dont get me wrong there is a good chance he was, but the case sounds pretty weak.
habebe
Member
Fri Feb 26 14:42:57
Hell , OJ had a ton more evidence he did it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 26 15:05:46
his bodyguards, his planes, common sense
Paramount
Member
Fri Feb 26 15:09:43
Sometimes you don’t need to present evidence (see OBL). But isn’t this just a report where they assess that MBS had a role in the murder? They may have some kind of evidence.

If not then maybe someone can capture and torture the Saudi team. Then they would tell the truth and reveal that MBS was the mastermind behind the murder. The case would then be solved.
Renzo Marquez
Member
Fri Feb 26 17:14:21
chuck
Member Fri Feb 26 14:28:36
"Apparently the individual sanctions don't apply to MBS himself."

Lulz. So Biden will do nothing but impose some meaningless sanctions to fool tw-types.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 26 18:56:57
public shaming is still way better than the public defending he got from the unfit fraud

Habebe
Member
Fri Feb 26 19:04:04
"public shaming is still way better than the public defending he got from the unfit fraud"

Why? What does it accomplish?
Dukhat
Member
Fri Feb 26 19:39:43
One of the many horrible scandals Trump was involved in that we forgot about. Glad finally some kind of reprisal is being done.
Dukhat
Member
Fri Feb 26 19:39:59
reprisal was the wrong word. Just punishment.
werewolf dictator
Member
Fri Feb 26 20:51:07
i love how democratic hacks act all shocked and clutch their pearls over mbs's whacking this one jackass khashoggi [who used to be bin laden's best friend and chief panegyrist and had totally scummy career as pro-saudi corporate media propagandist]

meanwhile shameless dems..

* nominate queen of warmongers hillary and then joe biden as president nominees.. whose criminal support of iraq war alone gets better part of a million brown people killed
* spend last 4 years absolutely fucking worshiping cia goons who ran global torture program.. and helped lie usa into iraq war.. and ran timber sycamore in syria [next]
* had zero problems with obama teaming up with saudis to secretly arm al qaeda dominated rebels of west syria.. or again had zero problems with obama supporting saudi barbaria starting war against yemen
* have totally teamed up with neocons in the same worshipful way as with cia
* even swooned over george w bush and john mccain because they were at odds with trump

the worst monsters in world are in usa and are the democrats
Dukhat
Member
Fri Feb 26 20:53:35
Calm down. You have another decade of Dems being president to be angry. Pace yourself.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Feb 27 03:18:47
Habebe
These are the people you get in bed with. It is all fun and games and they are good to yoy, but every once in a while they give you AIDS and embarass you. Biden, like Trump before him and every president before him, is going to swallow this Saudi turd, and validate that the USA are not the good guys. The enemy of my enemy may butcher journalists, but they are good to me.
habebe
Member
Sat Feb 27 09:57:14
Nimi, Yeah.The likely murdered this guy. That said not sure how it is any different than my potus just murdering 22 people.

I think Im just use to our leaders mirdering people.One doesnt seem so bad that even if he did, its bad, but to be honest it illicits no visceral reaction.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Feb 27 10:13:45
I understood, loud and clear when you casually said that saddam while brutal kept people in check. This detachment to these crimes, is part of the problem. Because as you know the people who suffer these crimes, have very visceral and sometimes violent reactions, leading to revolutions with cascading and unintended consequences.
habebe
Member
Sat Feb 27 10:38:15
Its sort of bad I guess. I still get a visceral reaction to certain things.Like anything against kids and the elderly, handicapped, and animals* etc.

I have soft spot in my heart for cripples bastards and broken things.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Feb 27 11:39:04
And as far as crimes like these go, this is scratching the surface. We are only endowed with this scandal because for whatever reason, the Turks had bugged the Saudi consulate. Khashoggi would have vanished from this earth, with only ubsubstantiated accusations and conspiracy theories left as trace. His body hasn’t been found and likely never will.
habebe
Member
Sat Feb 27 12:36:08
Yeah, I know their a little rough.Even the ones I knew personally seemed to be very good at compartmentalization.

I said my views of Iran/SA had a very selfish tone.If Iran would befriend our government like many of the Sunni nations, Id be cool with them supplying oil and keeping stability, in many aspects they would be a better choice.

The Shah just fucked up on keeping the peace in his own nation.

The perfect example of my Realpolitik sort of view is like you mentioned Sadaam.

I can even sympathize with Irans leaders desiring Nukes.Its like NK its a good bargaining chip. If NK didnt have them, they would part of greater Korea today.

But From our point of view, these are threats to stability and our allies. Both sides seem stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Rugian
Member
Sat Feb 27 13:50:18
I petition to have habebe renamed "Wahhabebe."
habebe
Member
Sat Feb 27 13:56:28
Im ok with that....do I get a special pronoun? bop.
habebe
Member
Sat Feb 27 14:00:53
Bop Wahabebe

You know what, I will also accept

Your Lord and Saviour

Der Fuhrer

Your Grace

Your omnipotence

Darth Wahabebe

But not limited to.
habebe
Member
Sat Feb 27 14:02:22
Also Im a little high ATM.....
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Sat Feb 27 15:32:38
" We are only endowed with this scandal because for whatever reason, the Turks had bugged the Saudi consulate."

the turks set this up to embarrass the saudis.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Feb 28 05:49:49
"The Shah just fucked up on keeping the peace in his own nation."

He was not as brutal as the selfish you desired him to be.

And the selfish stuff, completely undermines (in more ways than confined in this conversation) all the talk about "child soldiers in offensives" and "core hatred for the west". All those things are constructed after the fact to justify the choice of criminal. And then when your home boys do it, you be like "I know their a _little_ rough, but...".

The hatred is quite superficial as the 180 pivot of the Arabs on Israel, their "arch nemesis" showed. That is some "core" hatred right there, signed away with the stroke of a pen. You can go read the details of US and Israeli cooperation with Iran in the early years after the revolution. High level realpolitiking. When they stormed the embassy, many many non-Islamist Iranians cheered, because that embassy was the symbol for the 1953 coup. Imagine the rumors flourishing, when Carter says the "Shah will die with in a year" and refuses to extradite him. The hostage crisis was so popular in Iran, that it was allowed to go on for far longer than planned, because it united a frayed nation in the middle of a revolution.

Why did moderate, liberal and socialist Iranians cheer this you think? Because the enemy (Shia Islamists) of my enemy (coup plotting USA) is my friend and because Iranians urgently felt they had to act selfishly to remain in charge of their nation's destiny. Their brinksmanship ultimately failed, their infiltration of Iranian government was revealed and thousands of people executed. The Iraq war you supported ended up destroying any hope for moderation, as it in not small part helped consolidate the Islamist revolution. You understand how difficult it is for an Iranian moderate to make a case for working with the west as the west is selling chemical weapons to your enemy? You have to be an idiot to do that.


Habebe
Member
Sun Feb 28 12:03:39
""core hatred for the west". All those things are constructed after the fact to justify the choice of criminal"

Absolutley not. This is a key reason why I chose the other criminal.

The Saudis may or may not hate wesyetn values in speech. But actiona speak louder than words.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Feb 28 12:33:28
I agree with you 100%, the words of the Saudi prince shouldn’t speak louder than his actions. But that is exactly what they did under Trump. Thanks Joe Biden for declassifying what agent orange tried to hide from habebe.
Rugian
Member
Sun Feb 28 12:34:29
"The Saudis may or may not hate wesyetn values in speech. But actiona speak louder than words."

How about the decades the Saudis spent being the world's single largest propagator of the puritanical reading of Islam that is responsible for pretty much every Sunni extremist group in modern existence? How loud did that action speak?

I get you have Saudi friends and you find them to be cool blokes. But you can simultaneously get along with them and acknowledge that the actions of their government and religious figures have been deeply destructive in the Middle East and beyond.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Feb 28 13:06:18
And the Saudi know that as well as everyone else. They openly acknowledge ISIS sprang from their own creed and that they exported their Jihadi problem abroad. You can’t change the Wahabi creed, that is blasphemy, but you can send the problem elsewhere. Ok brother, you want to Jihad? Go to Afghanistan and Chechnya, go to Iraq and Syria, don’t do it here. <- This is how the Kingdom has survived they crazies it’s own creed reliably produces.
werewolf dictator
Member
Wed Mar 03 13:28:39
khashoggi actually killed

navalny not actually killed


mbs is clear culprit in khashoggi death

putin not clear culprit in navalny poisoning [as lbj is not clear culprit in jfk shooting].. again with navalny not even killed


biden calls mbs personally to make clear biden still thinks he's a wonderful guy and good friend.. no naming of those sanctioned

no friendly call to putin :(


khashoggi is supposed to be great guy and usa journalist according to official washington

even amnesty international rules navalny a hate figure inciting discrimination and violence.. navalny also not employed by washington post.. and thus he is more akin to anwar al awlaki



does mbs have peepee tape of biden or something
habebe
Member
Wed Mar 03 13:35:27
Once again a US Air base attacked....hmm wonder who is responsible....
werewolf dictator
Member
Wed Mar 03 13:43:56
biden is responsible for escalation by killing 22 in syria.. after supporters of iran kill 1 contractor.. after biden won't apologize or meet jcpoa obligations.. after usa/trump kill soleimani and 9 others and withdraws from jcpoa
werewolf dictator
Member
Wed Mar 03 13:48:21
putin has 10 thousand nukes pointed at usa.. when there are multiple nuclear close calls in first cold war.. and biden is still like "fuck yeah let's make this cold war even worse"


but he still acts like he loves mbs and saudis



SO WHAT DOES MBS HAVE ON BIDEN

it can't be the oil.. because russia has that too

my new more thoughtful guess is that mbs has videos of biden eating the babies biden loves getting aborted..
habebe
Member
Wed Mar 03 13:51:15
Using such justifications everything can be rationalized. Look at US ME policy in the 80s, does that excuse the Wahabiists?
Paramount
Member
Wed Mar 03 15:55:35
” but he still acts like he loves mbs and saudis

SO WHAT DOES MBS HAVE ON BIDEN

it can't be the oil.. because russia has that too

my new more thoughtful guess is that mbs has videos of biden eating the babies biden loves getting aborted..”




I think it’s as simple as that Biden and the Democrats are under Israel’s spell too. Israel needs the Saudis in their ”sunni coalition (ISIS) against Iran”, so the US (biden/trump) must leave MBS alone and not hurt him.
Renzo Marquez
Member
Wed Mar 03 16:00:52
Israel/Saudi Barbaria likely have the Epstein tapes.
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