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EuropeanPussy
Member Thu Jan 21 10:16:08
UK downgraded the EU ambassador! UK is such a great nation, Johnson is a real stable genius!

http://twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1352169792556437504

Tobias Ellwood MP@Tobias_Ellwood
Conservative MP for Bournemouth East, Chair of the House of Commons Defence Select Committee:

This is simply petty.

Biden commits to strengthening alliances and we engage in silly spats which will not help strengthen security and trade cooperation.

We are better than this.

Rugian
Member Thu Jan 21 10:21:57
Why would they roll out the red carpet for the EU? That organization has been trying to fuck over the UK for years now.

"You may be leaving the EU but you'll always be a part of Europe" my ass. Took Europe all of two seconds to put the UK on the same level as some South American shithole country.

Seb
Member Thu Jan 21 13:13:08
How about because like it or not the EU is the largest economic power in the world and we need to influence them; and if we insist that their ambassador to us is a low status position, then it will be filled by low status EU diplomats who will have less clout in the EU then otherwise, which means they will be less effective and influential in representing our position back into the EU.

Christ rugian, what happened to you?

Rugian
Member Thu Jan 21 13:21:32
Your current "clout" with the EU is already so weak, the mandarins in Brussels are currently handwriting Las Islas Malvinas on their world maps.

Fuck them. They think that being out of the EU means that you're out of Europe.

So much for the idea that Europe is a continent of friendly, closely-knit states bound together by comity and shared history and cultural values. If you aren't willing to be a vassal state to the EU, you may as well be dead to them.

Europe's true colors have been shown. If they can't rule over you, they despise you.

Rugian
Member Thu Jan 21 13:57:20
"How about because like it or not the EU is the largest economic power in the world"

Wrong. That would be us.

Why do you lie so frequently Seb?

werewolf dictator
Member Thu Jan 21 17:46:53
fun fact.. did you know the greatest economies in the world in 2019 was south sudan and rwanda

_____

wapo explaining what "greatest economy" means..

“We also built the greatest economy in the history of the world…Powered by these policies, we built the greatest economy in the history of the world.”

FACT CHECK:
This is Trump’s favorite false claim, so there should be no surprise he said it twice in his farewell address. (In this database, we only count a falsehood once per venue.) By just about any key measure in the modern era, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Lyndon B. Johnson and Bill Clinton presided over stronger economic growth than Trump..

REPEATED 493 TIMES:

Seb
Member Fri Jan 22 01:23:25
Rugian:

Oh yes, of course, you've caught up again post Brexit.

That difference of 0.2% of global GDP of course makes the EU completely irrelevant to the UK.

Also the EU is 20 miles from our doorstep to and it or its members have been our main trading partner for hundreds of years *even when we owned a globe spanning empire*.

It's almost like historically our centuries old policy of not letting a single power dominate European trade had a sound basis in reality. That's why we went into the EU (as a MS, the EU presents as competing powers we can play off and balance - as a third country its a continent dominating juggernaut).

Habebe
Member Fri Jan 22 01:39:15
Seb, In all fairness, Rugian did not say that because of that 2/10ths of a percent the EU is useless.

He just refuted your claim that it was larger than the US.

Reality is they are about the same at this point in time.

Not to nitpick, but you have argued similarly before.

You make a claim, it gets disputed and instead of owning up to it as a simple mistake you go changing your argument.

And who cares? It's like calling bezos or Musl thenrichest man in the world....off the top of my head I dont know who is, they are both close and due to stock price fluctuations they have been going back and forth.

Seb
Member Fri Jan 22 07:12:52
Habebe:

I did own up to the mistake - it's literally the first sentence of the post - are you blind?

I had not noticed that the UK no longer counting to EU GDP had allowed the US to pip to the top again, albeit by less than a fifth of a percent of global GDP.

The point I'm making is that the distinction is irrelevant to my point, and calling it a "lie" is hyperbolic bull shit.

Prior to Brexit, the EU was unquestionably the largest global economy and had been for years.

And if you are going to around demanding people "accept their mistakes", I've noticed you have a very selective policy on doing that.

I do hope to see at least three other examples of you doing this with others in the next week or so - you have plenty of opportunities.

Habebe
Member Fri Jan 22 07:23:49
Seb,

1st, case in point, you did admit an error.My bad.

Never the less, my point still stands you changed your argument. When you though the EU was slightly ahead its ome thing, now that the US is slightly ahead its another.

The reality is they've been pretty fucking close, to the point where I think we can all can agree pretty much the same.

As for his " hyperbolic BS" it was only because of your cockiness over hyperbolic semantics.

You did have a point about proximity.

I demanded nothing btw, just pointing out shit.

Seb
Member Fri Jan 22 09:28:01
Habebe:

No, I didn't change my argument.

My argument is that the EU is too big to ignore. Whether it is the biggest, or ever so slightly the second biggest, is not really relevant.

Not only is it too big to ignore, the fact that a United Europe is too big to ignore because we are dependent on trade with it has been formally the central guiding theme of English and British foreign policy from at least the 17th century onward.

So no, it's not accurate to call it a lie,
it's a perfectly reasonable error that doesn't change the outcome of the argument it supports. The EU had been the largest economy for about a decade prior to Brexit, and its immaterial to the main point - far too important for Britain to ignore - and it's not hyperbolic or cocky to call the EU the world's largest economy if the difference is 0.2% share of global trade. It's within a rounding error of being the world's largest economy.

Now please stop being pedantic and engaging in this hacky and selective policing.

Habebe
Member Fri Jan 22 09:45:28
"Whether it is the biggest, or ever so slightly the second biggest, is not really relevant."

We agree on this.

As for your cocky point, it was that the EU has a higher GDP than the US.

A silly pissing contest anyway, you know as well as I do that a GDP is such a rough measurement that small discrepancies are useless.

We actually agree on the big picture.

Seb
Member Fri Jan 22 11:58:40
Habebe:

"As for your cocky point, it was that the EU has a higher GDP than the US."

That's cocky? Grow up. The point was not framed in terms of "the EU is bigger than the US", it was framed in terms of the EU being vastly bigger than the UK.

The EU has been bigger than the US for most of all of the decade prior to the UK leaving in 2016 and is likely to overtake you again in the coming decade.

You need to not worry so much about it that you derail an entire thread because you got but hurt that someone wrongly assigned you second place.

Sam Adams
Member Fri Jan 22 12:14:21
Imagine being seb and still not understanding how GDP works. Its amazing how a mind can fail this much. Would be an interesting psychology case, if that field wasnt so fuzzy.

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EuropeanPussy Member	Thu Jan 21 10:16:08 UK downgraded the EU ambassador! UK is such a great nation, Johnson is a real stable genius! http://twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1352169792556437504 Tobias Ellwood MP@Tobias_Ellwood Conservative MP for Bournemouth East, Chair of the House of Commons Defence Select Committee: This is simply petty. Biden commits to strengthening alliances and we engage in silly spats which will not help strengthen security and trade cooperation. We are better than this.
Rugian Member	Thu Jan 21 10:21:57 Why would they roll out the red carpet for the EU? That organization has been trying to fuck over the UK for years now. "You may be leaving the EU but you'll always be a part of Europe" my ass. Took Europe all of two seconds to put the UK on the same level as some South American shithole country.
Seb Member	Thu Jan 21 13:13:08 How about because like it or not the EU is the largest economic power in the world and we need to influence them; and if we insist that their ambassador to us is a low status position, then it will be filled by low status EU diplomats who will have less clout in the EU then otherwise, which means they will be less effective and influential in representing our position back into the EU. Christ rugian, what happened to you?
Rugian Member	Thu Jan 21 13:21:32 Your current "clout" with the EU is already so weak, the mandarins in Brussels are currently handwriting Las Islas Malvinas on their world maps. Fuck them. They think that being out of the EU means that you're out of Europe. So much for the idea that Europe is a continent of friendly, closely-knit states bound together by comity and shared history and cultural values. If you aren't willing to be a vassal state to the EU, you may as well be dead to them. Europe's true colors have been shown. If they can't rule over you, they despise you.
Rugian Member	Thu Jan 21 13:57:20 "How about because like it or not the EU is the largest economic power in the world" Wrong. That would be us. Why do you lie so frequently Seb?
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 21 17:46:53 fun fact.. did you know the greatest economies in the world in 2019 was south sudan and rwanda _____ wapo explaining what "greatest economy" means.. “We also built the greatest economy in the history of the world…Powered by these policies, we built the greatest economy in the history of the world.” FACT CHECK: This is Trump’s favorite false claim, so there should be no surprise he said it twice in his farewell address. (In this database, we only count a falsehood once per venue.) By just about any key measure in the modern era, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Lyndon B. Johnson and Bill Clinton presided over stronger economic growth than Trump.. REPEATED 493 TIMES:
Seb Member	Fri Jan 22 01:23:25 Rugian: Oh yes, of course, you've caught up again post Brexit. That difference of 0.2% of global GDP of course makes the EU completely irrelevant to the UK. Also the EU is 20 miles from our doorstep to and it or its members have been our main trading partner for hundreds of years even when we owned a globe spanning empire. It's almost like historically our centuries old policy of not letting a single power dominate European trade had a sound basis in reality. That's why we went into the EU (as a MS, the EU presents as competing powers we can play off and balance - as a third country its a continent dominating juggernaut).
Habebe Member	Fri Jan 22 01:39:15 Seb, In all fairness, Rugian did not say that because of that 2/10ths of a percent the EU is useless. He just refuted your claim that it was larger than the US. Reality is they are about the same at this point in time. Not to nitpick, but you have argued similarly before. You make a claim, it gets disputed and instead of owning up to it as a simple mistake you go changing your argument. And who cares? It's like calling bezos or Musl thenrichest man in the world....off the top of my head I dont know who is, they are both close and due to stock price fluctuations they have been going back and forth.
Seb Member	Fri Jan 22 07:12:52 Habebe: I did own up to the mistake - it's literally the first sentence of the post - are you blind? I had not noticed that the UK no longer counting to EU GDP had allowed the US to pip to the top again, albeit by less than a fifth of a percent of global GDP. The point I'm making is that the distinction is irrelevant to my point, and calling it a "lie" is hyperbolic bull shit. Prior to Brexit, the EU was unquestionably the largest global economy and had been for years. And if you are going to around demanding people "accept their mistakes", I've noticed you have a very selective policy on doing that. I do hope to see at least three other examples of you doing this with others in the next week or so - you have plenty of opportunities.
Habebe Member	Fri Jan 22 07:23:49 Seb, 1st, case in point, you did admit an error.My bad. Never the less, my point still stands you changed your argument. When you though the EU was slightly ahead its ome thing, now that the US is slightly ahead its another. The reality is they've been pretty fucking close, to the point where I think we can all can agree pretty much the same. As for his " hyperbolic BS" it was only because of your cockiness over hyperbolic semantics. You did have a point about proximity. I demanded nothing btw, just pointing out shit.
Seb Member	Fri Jan 22 09:28:01 Habebe: No, I didn't change my argument. My argument is that the EU is too big to ignore. Whether it is the biggest, or ever so slightly the second biggest, is not really relevant. Not only is it too big to ignore, the fact that a United Europe is too big to ignore because we are dependent on trade with it has been formally the central guiding theme of English and British foreign policy from at least the 17th century onward. So no, it's not accurate to call it a lie, it's a perfectly reasonable error that doesn't change the outcome of the argument it supports. The EU had been the largest economy for about a decade prior to Brexit, and its immaterial to the main point - far too important for Britain to ignore - and it's not hyperbolic or cocky to call the EU the world's largest economy if the difference is 0.2% share of global trade. It's within a rounding error of being the world's largest economy. Now please stop being pedantic and engaging in this hacky and selective policing.
Habebe Member	Fri Jan 22 09:45:28 "Whether it is the biggest, or ever so slightly the second biggest, is not really relevant." We agree on this. As for your cocky point, it was that the EU has a higher GDP than the US. A silly pissing contest anyway, you know as well as I do that a GDP is such a rough measurement that small discrepancies are useless. We actually agree on the big picture.
Seb Member	Fri Jan 22 11:58:40 Habebe: "As for your cocky point, it was that the EU has a higher GDP than the US." That's cocky? Grow up. The point was not framed in terms of "the EU is bigger than the US", it was framed in terms of the EU being vastly bigger than the UK. The EU has been bigger than the US for most of all of the decade prior to the UK leaving in 2016 and is likely to overtake you again in the coming decade. You need to not worry so much about it that you derail an entire thread because you got but hurt that someone wrongly assigned you second place.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jan 22 12:14:21 Imagine being seb and still not understanding how GDP works. Its amazing how a mind can fail this much. Would be an interesting psychology case, if that field wasnt so fuzzy.
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