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The Children
Member
Fri Jan 15 02:15:05
is this real?
anyone know more?
Paramount
Member
Fri Jan 15 03:03:36
At least one dead in Sweden. An elderly man who died the day after he was injected with Pfizer’s vaccine.


”He died of a suspected cardiac arrest but the cause of death has not yet been determined, the Medical Products Agency states

We can not really say anything at the moment about a possible causal link because there is no established cause of death, says Veronica Arthurson, unit manager for drug safety at the Medical Products Agency.

The incident will now be investigated.”
Cloud Strife
Member
Fri Jan 15 03:08:18
Most likely these are just elderly people dying because they're elderly. Why would a vaccine cause a heart attack?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Jan 15 03:13:00
Because... it had... heart...attack.... poison in it? What kind of a question is that? Why do getting hit by a car give you brain injury? Why can’t we breath in space? Why does smoking give you cancer? These are the mysteries of life! You question them at your own peril!
Paramount
Member
Fri Jan 15 03:13:52
So far they only suspect that he died of a heart attack.

Even strong and healthy nurses has said that they feel pain, and some have fainted when they have taken the vaccine.

Maybe this elderly man couldn’t take the pain, and instead of fainting, he died?
CHINA RULZ USA SUCKS
Member
Fri Jan 15 03:44:52
CHINA RULZ USA SUCKS
Member
Fri Jan 15 03:48:20
SHULD HAV USD CHINESE VAXIN INSTED

OWND OWMND OWND OWND WOND

http://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202101/1212915.shtml

Chinese health experts call to suspend Pfizer's mRNA vaccine for elderly after Norwegian deaths
By Zhang Hui Published: Jan 15, 2021


Chinese health experts called on Norway and other countries to suspend the use of mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines produced by companies such as Pfizer, especially among elderly people, due to the vaccines' safety uncertainties following the deaths of 23 elderly Norwegian people who received the vaccine.

The new mRNA vaccine was developed in haste and had never been used on a large scale for the prevention of infectious disease, and its safety had not been confirmed for large-scale use in humans, a Chinese immunologist said.

The death incidents in Norway also proved that the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines' efficacy was not as good as expected, experts said.

As of Thursday, Norway has reported 23 deaths in connection with vaccination.

"So far, 13 of these have been assessed. Common side effects may have contributed to a severe course in frail elderly people," the Norwegian Medicines Agency said on its website.

All the deaths have occurred in frail, elderly patients in nursing homes. All are over 80 years old and some of them over 90, Norwegian media NRK reported.

Two COVID-19 vaccines, Comirnaty, from BioNTec/Pfizer, and Moderna, are used in Norway. The vaccines have been developed on mRNA technology and have received temporary approval in the EU, according to the agency.

Norway launched a mass vaccination campaign at the end of December, with the very oldest citizens and residents of nursing homes being offered vaccination first, including those over the age of 85.

The Norwegian Medicines Agency admitted that the studies that form the basis for the temporary approval of the vaccine included very few people over the age of 85, and there is little known about how any side effects will affect these age brackets, but it said, "we assume that the side effects will largely be the same in the elderly as in those over 65 years of age."


Chinese experts said the death incident should be assessed cautiously to understand whether the death was caused by vaccines or other preexisting conditions of these individuals.

Yang Zhanqiu, a virologist from Wuhan University, told the Global Times on Friday that the death incident, if proven to be caused by the vaccines, showed that the effect of the Pfizer vaccine and other mRNA vaccines is not as good as expected, as the main purpose of mRNA vaccines is to heal patients.

The mRNA vaccines teach human cells to make a protein to trigger an immune response; then, the immune response can protect people from getting infected if the real virus enters the body.

Meanwhile, toxic substances may be developed throughout the process of mRNA vaccinations; thus, the safety of vaccines cannot be fully ensured, Yang said.

But that's not the case for inactivated vaccines in China, which have more mature technology, Yang said.

A Beijing-based immunologist, who requested anonymity, told the Global Times on Friday that the world should suspend the use of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine represented by Pfizer, as this new technology has not proven safety in large-scale use or in preventing any infectious diseases.

Older people, especially those over 80, should not be recommended to receive any COVID-19 vaccine, he said.

He said that people over 80 years old have a weaker immune system and are more prone to adverse effect; thus, they should be recommended to take medicines to improve their immune system, he said.

China has started vaccination for people aged between 18 and 59, as statistics on people aged 60 years and over and people aged 18 years and below were relatively small during clinical trials of the vaccines. Thus, we cannot fully identify the efficacy and side effects for these two groups, a Beijing-based health expert who requested to be anonymous, told the Global Times.
Cloud Strife
Member
Fri Jan 15 04:03:40
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So far they only suspect that he died of a heart attack.

Even strong and healthy nurses has said that they feel pain, and some have fainted when they have taken the vaccine.

Maybe this elderly man couldn’t take the pain, and instead of fainting, he died? '

This makes sense. Side effects and allergies could be pretty serious in a 90 year old.
Paramount
Member
Fri Jan 15 06:34:41
” As of Thursday, Norway has reported 23 deaths in connection with vaccination”

Wow, that many?
jergul
large member
Fri Jan 15 06:46:50
Its more a testament to how good we are at keeping decrepit people alive in care centers than it is of vaccination dangers.

The procedures have changed. The very frail will no longer automatically get the vaccine.
habebe
Member
Fri Jan 15 06:47:27
23 dpes spund like a lot in a sense, especially with lol 5 million pop.

That said the trade off may be worth it still but serious investigation should be done immediately.
The Children
Member
Fri Jan 15 07:43:04
its over 23THOUSANDD!!!!!!!

OMG this shitty vaccine is garbage.

butbutbut over 95perrrrceennntttt effeccctiveee?????????

ITS GARBAGE.

23 deaths, from what? 50k vaccinated? 30k vaccinated? 20k? 10?


5000 vaccinated?

23 deaths out of 5000???? LIKE HOW THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT SAFE AND WHY ISNT MAINSTREAM FAKE NEWS MEDIA REPORTIN THIS GARBAGE???

Seb
Member
Fri Jan 15 07:43:50
jergul:

AstraZenica is better tolerated amongst the frail.

The Children
Member
Fri Jan 15 07:44:53
SUPERIOR CHINESE VACCINE CONFIRMED!!!!

100% effective against medium and serious corona stages. traditional method, not unproven mrna tech that is deadly.

lmao look at the level of brainwash currently going on in whitey media.

The Children
Member
Fri Jan 15 07:46:10
butbutbut its just "barely over 50% effective"

WELL AT LEAST THAT SHITTTTT DOESNT KILL YA, U DUMB FUCKIN BRAINWASHED SHEEP!!!

jergul
large member
Fri Jan 15 09:00:07
Seb
Yepp, but that is not in the new procedure yet.
jergul
large member
Fri Jan 15 09:01:33
TC is actually correct. Herd immunity is not a thing with the new variant. covid is going to be endemic.

A vaccine that lets you survive covid is good enough.
The Children
Member
Sat Jan 16 02:00:11
23 in NORWAY
10 IN GERMANY?????

GARBAGE VACCINE CONFIRMED!!!

The Children
Member
Sat Jan 16 02:00:35
if europe has any brains, they will switch to superior Chinese vaccine ASAP.
FREAK NATION
Member
Sat Jan 16 02:30:55
Another vaccine victim!!!!
http://www...dispute-with-mom-over-vaccines

A California man killed himself and his 9-year-old son after a custody dispute with the boy’s mother about whether the child should be vaccinated, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
habebe
Member
Sat Jan 16 04:02:26
tc, The chimese vaccine slants your eyes and gives you a micro penis, so you the Han it has no noticeable side effects.
Hrothgar
Member
Sun Jan 17 08:53:03
I know 6 or 7 people who have got the Pfizer vaccine this last month. None of them died of a heart attack or got sick in any way. WEIRD!
werewolf dictator
Member
Sun Jan 17 13:32:21
"All the deaths have occurred in frail, elderly patients in nursing homes. All are over 80 years old and some of them over 90, Norwegian media NRK reported."

this type of people have life expectancy of mice.. in a field with hawks flying over

vaccinate 20k of them with saline and you can expect 23 to quickly die in days
Sam Adams
Member
Sun Jan 17 14:49:25
"vaccinate 20k of them with saline and you can expect 23 to quickly die in days"

True. Probably more than 23 dead actually.
Forwyn
Member
Sun Jan 17 17:41:39
Half of them probably can't properly give consent without a representative anyway.
habebe
Member
Tue Jan 19 02:20:15
Norway officially put out a statement that there was no link between the deaths and the vaccine....but they also said that doctors should consider the health of the patient prior to giving them the vaccine.
Hrothgar
Member
Tue Jan 19 07:08:34
"but they also said that doctors should consider the health of the patient prior to giving them the vaccine."

Which seems obvious to most I'd think. "Hey this guy is so much in elderly decline he will likely die within the next 3 months... let's give the vaccine to someone elderly but healthier instead".

I guess there are challenges in determining who is old and sick enough to not warrant the vaccine.
habebe
Member
Tue Jan 19 07:15:22
hrothgar, Perhaps. But given in that context I think it was more like " The vaccinne didnt kill them, but...perhaps adding any stressor to people on deaths door still might not be the best idea"
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