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patom
rank Sun Nov 15 01:58:56 2020
job on the Pandemic. Why are Nursing Homes still out begging for donations of PPE's.

I must confess, I was blown away tonight watching the local news from Bangor when the had a segment on about the problems Nursing Homes are facing in the midst of this pandemic. Here we are over 10 months into this shit storm and we're still not insuring that the frontline workers are being properly supplied with essential equipment to protect them and their patients.

To all you Trump supporters, is there any reason why we can't supply our health care workers with PPE's?

tumbleweed
rank Sun Nov 15 02:08:09 2020
Pence will probably get thrown under the bus if it gets so bad that Trump finally has to start paying attention
(although that's quite a bar... unlikely he will ever pay attention to anything non-selfish again)

habebe
rank Sun Nov 15 02:27:31 2020
If we truly lack ppe, then some of the blame rightly goes at Trump for.not ramping up production lile he did with ventilators.

werewolf dictator
rank Sun Nov 15 03:04:18 2020
because the strategic national stockpile was neglected for ten years and previous presidents and congress exported manufacturing to china who wants ppe for themselves

Dukhat
rank Sun Nov 15 11:56:33 2020
More fake news *sigh*

Dukhat
rank Sun Nov 15 11:57:15 2020
At least habebe has some perspective on reality.

patom
rank Sun Nov 15 13:19:06 2020
I'm not sure if any of you are familiar with Nursing Homes in this country.

They have always had trouble with staffing long before the Pandemic. Nursing homes rely on CNA's to give 98% of the care that residents need. These are the people that are in direct contact with the residents. They get them out of bed, clean them and their beds. get them to eat their food or literally feed them, pay attention to the little things that are indicators of problems. You may ask how I know this and I'll tell you my wife did that work for 20 years.

The turnover rate of CNA's in nursing homes is one of the highest for any profession. It's not only physically hard, it is emotionally hard. Most of the time they are working shorthanded. Adding more work to be shared with those that showed up for work.

With the Pandemic the shortage of workers is even worse because those wishing to get the qualifications to be a CNA aren't allowed inside a Nursing Home for their clinical training. As if there is a long line of people willing to put their lives at risk working in a Nursing Home. Add to all that the pay sucks. It takes some very special people to be willing to do the job of a CNA in a Nursing Home setting.

Habebe
rank Sun Nov 15 15:13:01 2020
I just seen a bit of ABC (GMA) where some nurse rep. Was like " we have been begging and pleading with President Trump for months for PPE, reusing the same equipment since March, woah is me" then pretty much are just like, now we're waiting for Biden, the great white hope....bla blah blah

Sounds like a fake obstacle to make Biden look good " oh look thanking wrestled this dead, uh I mean libe tiger all by himself"

But half the country will.eat it up.The other half will find fault with everything he does.

patom
rank Sun Nov 15 15:51:05 2020
Already blaming Biden? Was I asleep and he's already been sworn in???

Habebe
rank Sun Nov 15 15:53:26 2020
I didn't blame Biden at all.Im saying it looks like he is being set up to slay an imaginary dragon.

Wrath of Orion
rank Sun Nov 15 16:57:24 2020
The PPE shortages never fully went away, they just stopped grabbing headlines. A lot of the mask PPE is not able to be used properly because of the shortages (aka, reusing them when you're supposed to throw them away).

It's still a very real issue.

Dukhat
rank Sun Nov 15 17:14:02 2020
Just like none of Trump's sexual harassment and assaults went away either. Trumpers and conservatives dragged the rest of the country into one of their dysfunctional relationships with a chronic abuser.

Rugian
rank Sun Nov 15 17:16:37 2020
https://du...iden&t=h_&iax=images&ia=images

werewolf dictator
rank Sun Nov 15 19:15:49 2020
tara reade

believe women

Habebe
rank Sun Nov 15 22:17:22 2020
Tara trade (sp)

Is the reason I lost any respect at all for.the #me too broads...bunch of hacks.

Dakyron
rank Mon Nov 16 21:09:48 2020
Who gives a shit about nursing homes. Those are people that are dying anyway. Better off they die quickly of COVID...

patom
rank Mon Nov 16 22:10:45 2020
Dakyron, so you seem all good if the people who are busting their asses working in the Nursing Homes get Covid and die?

Dakyron
rank Mon Nov 16 22:15:04 2020
patom - its not like the people IN THE NURSING HOME are venturing out and getting COVID. Its those same people bringing it in.

So they get grouped into the general public. They are not nurses/doctors in hospitals treating COVID patients.

kargen
rank Mon Nov 16 23:13:26 2020
Because governors said fuck you we will do what we want.

patom
rank Tue Nov 17 02:16:27 2020
Dakyron, you obviously have never in your life been inside a Nursing home. Please make a thumb drive with all your thoughts on Nursing Homes and set it aside for the future.

Dukhat
rank Tue Nov 17 07:05:33 2020
Seeing all these cuckservatives constantly repeat lies still. Our society is fucked. These people have been lying to themselves for 10 years.

habebe
rank Tue Nov 17 16:45:15 2020
Want to hear some lies people tell themselves?

The problem in this country is that 40% of our country is deplorable racists.

The Democrats are the emerging party of the future, soon with demographic shifts we will be a 1 party nation.

The Senate and EC are.rigged against us.

obaminated
rank Tue Nov 17 20:02:52 2020
To answer op

"Why are elderly homes still asking for help?"

Because this virus is dangerous to elderly people who generally have health problems.

However trump has done so much shit to not only help the country but the fucking world that other countries literally are taking our medical supplies and ventilators.

patom
rank Tue Nov 17 22:56:01 2020
obaminated, for one thing, nursing homes do NOT use ventilators. They are used in Hospital settings only with a team of specialists.
Secondly, to my knowledge, there is no shortage of ventilators at the present time.

The op question is in regard to face masks and other PPE's that help prevent nurses and care givers from transmitting diseases to others. In nursing homes the vast majority of the residents could be considered highly vulnerable.
'RESIDENTS', that is the operative word. Nursing HOMES, the residents are there for a reason. Many, if not most, of them can no longer care for themselves. What little remains of their lives deserve as much protection as we can give them.

werewolf dictator
rank Wed Nov 18 03:34:33 2020
counter question

if trump has done such a horrible job and has killed 200k people [or whatever the democrat talking point of the day is].. then why do 3 of the major 5 countries in west europe [spain italy and united kingdom.. but not germany and france] have worse death rates than the usa

obaminated
rank Wed Nov 18 05:38:52 2020
Patom do you think for a second plastic face masks do anything?

Also werewolf, fuck off man you are a shitty russian bot who doesnt deserves his paycheck. Ironically hood and tw will back you. Hence leftist having a complete unaware hypocrisy that the right has to deal with.

werewolf dictator
rank Wed Nov 18 06:08:07 2020
most of that didn't even make sense but tyvm for the gibberish

patom
rank Wed Nov 18 06:23:35 2020
obaminated, the next time you have surgery please insist that nobody in the OR wear masks as you think they are a waste of time.

obaminated
rank Wed Nov 18 06:34:38 2020
Patom, do you honestly believe a 5 cent mask which isnt airtight around your nose, mouth and eyes protects you from this virus?

werewolf dictator
rank Wed Nov 18 06:39:19 2020
a cheap mask keeps you from spitting droplets for many feet right in front of you onto other people

likewise it keeps droplets from other people going straight into your wide open gibberish-speaking mouth

kargen
rank Wed Nov 18 07:06:36 2020
The reason masks work in an operating room is they wash their hands, put on the mask then they don't touch the mask or their face. Also they have a better grade mask.
Reason they are not working out in the general public is because very few people will put them on then leave them alone. People who are consistently touching their mask/face might as well not wear one.

werewolf dictator
rank Wed Nov 18 07:21:08 2020
fauci and surgeon general and cdc and hhs are responsible for the incorrect beliefs that masks are ineffective or even counterproductive.. since this is the bs they told in "myth of metals" early on to curtail demand from general public

trump is good negative role model showing how you can join 3% of population catching covid if you and fools around you listen to what they originally said and wont wear masks

patom
rank Wed Nov 18 07:21:49 2020
obaminated, are you that stupid that you haven't paid one bit of attention to the purpose of masks?

patom
rank Wed Nov 18 07:25:48 2020
obaminated, are you that stupid that you haven't paid one bit of attention to the purpose of masks?How many times has it been explained that masks are to prevent you from spreading your germs onto others.

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patom rank	Sun Nov 15 01:58:56 2020 job on the Pandemic. Why are Nursing Homes still out begging for donations of PPE's. I must confess, I was blown away tonight watching the local news from Bangor when the had a segment on about the problems Nursing Homes are facing in the midst of this pandemic. Here we are over 10 months into this shit storm and we're still not insuring that the frontline workers are being properly supplied with essential equipment to protect them and their patients. To all you Trump supporters, is there any reason why we can't supply our health care workers with PPE's?
tumbleweed rank	Sun Nov 15 02:08:09 2020 Pence will probably get thrown under the bus if it gets so bad that Trump finally has to start paying attention (although that's quite a bar... unlikely he will ever pay attention to anything non-selfish again)
habebe rank	Sun Nov 15 02:27:31 2020 If we truly lack ppe, then some of the blame rightly goes at Trump for.not ramping up production lile he did with ventilators.
werewolf dictator rank	Sun Nov 15 03:04:18 2020 because the strategic national stockpile was neglected for ten years and previous presidents and congress exported manufacturing to china who wants ppe for themselves
Dukhat rank	Sun Nov 15 11:56:33 2020 More fake news sigh
Dukhat rank	Sun Nov 15 11:57:15 2020 At least habebe has some perspective on reality.
patom rank	Sun Nov 15 13:19:06 2020 I'm not sure if any of you are familiar with Nursing Homes in this country. They have always had trouble with staffing long before the Pandemic. Nursing homes rely on CNA's to give 98% of the care that residents need. These are the people that are in direct contact with the residents. They get them out of bed, clean them and their beds. get them to eat their food or literally feed them, pay attention to the little things that are indicators of problems. You may ask how I know this and I'll tell you my wife did that work for 20 years. The turnover rate of CNA's in nursing homes is one of the highest for any profession. It's not only physically hard, it is emotionally hard. Most of the time they are working shorthanded. Adding more work to be shared with those that showed up for work. With the Pandemic the shortage of workers is even worse because those wishing to get the qualifications to be a CNA aren't allowed inside a Nursing Home for their clinical training. As if there is a long line of people willing to put their lives at risk working in a Nursing Home. Add to all that the pay sucks. It takes some very special people to be willing to do the job of a CNA in a Nursing Home setting.
Habebe rank	Sun Nov 15 15:13:01 2020 I just seen a bit of ABC (GMA) where some nurse rep. Was like " we have been begging and pleading with President Trump for months for PPE, reusing the same equipment since March, woah is me" then pretty much are just like, now we're waiting for Biden, the great white hope....bla blah blah Sounds like a fake obstacle to make Biden look good " oh look thanking wrestled this dead, uh I mean libe tiger all by himself" But half the country will.eat it up.The other half will find fault with everything he does.
patom rank	Sun Nov 15 15:51:05 2020 Already blaming Biden? Was I asleep and he's already been sworn in???
Habebe rank	Sun Nov 15 15:53:26 2020 I didn't blame Biden at all.Im saying it looks like he is being set up to slay an imaginary dragon.
Wrath of Orion rank	Sun Nov 15 16:57:24 2020 The PPE shortages never fully went away, they just stopped grabbing headlines. A lot of the mask PPE is not able to be used properly because of the shortages (aka, reusing them when you're supposed to throw them away). It's still a very real issue.
Dukhat rank	Sun Nov 15 17:14:02 2020 Just like none of Trump's sexual harassment and assaults went away either. Trumpers and conservatives dragged the rest of the country into one of their dysfunctional relationships with a chronic abuser.
Rugian rank	Sun Nov 15 17:16:37 2020 https://du...iden&t=h_&iax=images&ia=images
werewolf dictator rank	Sun Nov 15 19:15:49 2020 tara reade believe women
Habebe rank	Sun Nov 15 22:17:22 2020 Tara trade (sp) Is the reason I lost any respect at all for.the #me too broads...bunch of hacks.
Dakyron rank	Mon Nov 16 21:09:48 2020 Who gives a shit about nursing homes. Those are people that are dying anyway. Better off they die quickly of COVID...
patom rank	Mon Nov 16 22:10:45 2020 Dakyron, so you seem all good if the people who are busting their asses working in the Nursing Homes get Covid and die?
Dakyron rank	Mon Nov 16 22:15:04 2020 patom - its not like the people IN THE NURSING HOME are venturing out and getting COVID. Its those same people bringing it in. So they get grouped into the general public. They are not nurses/doctors in hospitals treating COVID patients.
kargen rank	Mon Nov 16 23:13:26 2020 Because governors said fuck you we will do what we want.
patom rank	Tue Nov 17 02:16:27 2020 Dakyron, you obviously have never in your life been inside a Nursing home. Please make a thumb drive with all your thoughts on Nursing Homes and set it aside for the future.
Dukhat rank	Tue Nov 17 07:05:33 2020 Seeing all these cuckservatives constantly repeat lies still. Our society is fucked. These people have been lying to themselves for 10 years.
habebe rank	Tue Nov 17 16:45:15 2020 Want to hear some lies people tell themselves? The problem in this country is that 40% of our country is deplorable racists. The Democrats are the emerging party of the future, soon with demographic shifts we will be a 1 party nation. The Senate and EC are.rigged against us.
obaminated rank	Tue Nov 17 20:02:52 2020 To answer op "Why are elderly homes still asking for help?" Because this virus is dangerous to elderly people who generally have health problems. However trump has done so much shit to not only help the country but the fucking world that other countries literally are taking our medical supplies and ventilators.
patom rank	Tue Nov 17 22:56:01 2020 obaminated, for one thing, nursing homes do NOT use ventilators. They are used in Hospital settings only with a team of specialists. Secondly, to my knowledge, there is no shortage of ventilators at the present time. The op question is in regard to face masks and other PPE's that help prevent nurses and care givers from transmitting diseases to others. In nursing homes the vast majority of the residents could be considered highly vulnerable. 'RESIDENTS', that is the operative word. Nursing HOMES, the residents are there for a reason. Many, if not most, of them can no longer care for themselves. What little remains of their lives deserve as much protection as we can give them.
werewolf dictator rank	Wed Nov 18 03:34:33 2020 counter question if trump has done such a horrible job and has killed 200k people [or whatever the democrat talking point of the day is].. then why do 3 of the major 5 countries in west europe [spain italy and united kingdom.. but not germany and france] have worse death rates than the usa
obaminated rank	Wed Nov 18 05:38:52 2020 Patom do you think for a second plastic face masks do anything? Also werewolf, fuck off man you are a shitty russian bot who doesnt deserves his paycheck. Ironically hood and tw will back you. Hence leftist having a complete unaware hypocrisy that the right has to deal with.
werewolf dictator rank	Wed Nov 18 06:08:07 2020 most of that didn't even make sense but tyvm for the gibberish
patom rank	Wed Nov 18 06:23:35 2020 obaminated, the next time you have surgery please insist that nobody in the OR wear masks as you think they are a waste of time.
obaminated rank	Wed Nov 18 06:34:38 2020 Patom, do you honestly believe a 5 cent mask which isnt airtight around your nose, mouth and eyes protects you from this virus?
werewolf dictator rank	Wed Nov 18 06:39:19 2020 a cheap mask keeps you from spitting droplets for many feet right in front of you onto other people likewise it keeps droplets from other people going straight into your wide open gibberish-speaking mouth
kargen rank	Wed Nov 18 07:06:36 2020 The reason masks work in an operating room is they wash their hands, put on the mask then they don't touch the mask or their face. Also they have a better grade mask. Reason they are not working out in the general public is because very few people will put them on then leave them alone. People who are consistently touching their mask/face might as well not wear one.
werewolf dictator rank	Wed Nov 18 07:21:08 2020 fauci and surgeon general and cdc and hhs are responsible for the incorrect beliefs that masks are ineffective or even counterproductive.. since this is the bs they told in "myth of metals" early on to curtail demand from general public trump is good negative role model showing how you can join 3% of population catching covid if you and fools around you listen to what they originally said and wont wear masks
patom rank	Wed Nov 18 07:21:49 2020 obaminated, are you that stupid that you haven't paid one bit of attention to the purpose of masks?
patom rank	Wed Nov 18 07:25:48 2020 obaminated, are you that stupid that you haven't paid one bit of attention to the purpose of masks?How many times has it been explained that masks are to prevent you from spreading your germs onto others.
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