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patom
Member Sat Nov 14 17:58:56
job on the Pandemic. Why are Nursing Homes still out begging for donations of PPE's.

I must confess, I was blown away tonight watching the local news from Bangor when the had a segment on about the problems Nursing Homes are facing in the midst of this pandemic. Here we are over 10 months into this shit storm and we're still not insuring that the frontline workers are being properly supplied with essential equipment to protect them and their patients.

To all you Trump supporters, is there any reason why we can't supply our health care workers with PPE's?

tumbleweed
the wanderer Sat Nov 14 18:08:09
Pence will probably get thrown under the bus if it gets so bad that Trump finally has to start paying attention
(although that's quite a bar... unlikely he will ever pay attention to anything non-selfish again)

habebe
Member Sat Nov 14 18:27:31
If we truly lack ppe, then some of the blame rightly goes at Trump for.not ramping up production lile he did with ventilators.

werewolf dictator
Member Sat Nov 14 19:04:18
because the strategic national stockpile was neglected for ten years and previous presidents and congress exported manufacturing to china who wants ppe for themselves

Dukhat
Member Sun Nov 15 03:56:33
More fake news *sigh*

Dukhat
Member Sun Nov 15 03:57:15
At least habebe has some perspective on reality.

patom
Member Sun Nov 15 05:19:06
I'm not sure if any of you are familiar with Nursing Homes in this country.

They have always had trouble with staffing long before the Pandemic. Nursing homes rely on CNA's to give 98% of the care that residents need. These are the people that are in direct contact with the residents. They get them out of bed, clean them and their beds. get them to eat their food or literally feed them, pay attention to the little things that are indicators of problems. You may ask how I know this and I'll tell you my wife did that work for 20 years.

The turnover rate of CNA's in nursing homes is one of the highest for any profession. It's not only physically hard, it is emotionally hard. Most of the time they are working shorthanded. Adding more work to be shared with those that showed up for work.

With the Pandemic the shortage of workers is even worse because those wishing to get the qualifications to be a CNA aren't allowed inside a Nursing Home for their clinical training. As if there is a long line of people willing to put their lives at risk working in a Nursing Home. Add to all that the pay sucks. It takes some very special people to be willing to do the job of a CNA in a Nursing Home setting.

Habebe
Member Sun Nov 15 07:13:01
I just seen a bit of ABC (GMA) where some nurse rep. Was like " we have been begging and pleading with President Trump for months for PPE, reusing the same equipment since March, woah is me" then pretty much are just like, now we're waiting for Biden, the great white hope....bla blah blah

Sounds like a fake obstacle to make Biden look good " oh look thanking wrestled this dead, uh I mean libe tiger all by himself"

But half the country will.eat it up.The other half will find fault with everything he does.

patom
Member Sun Nov 15 07:51:05
Already blaming Biden? Was I asleep and he's already been sworn in???

Habebe
Member Sun Nov 15 07:53:26
I didn't blame Biden at all.Im saying it looks like he is being set up to slay an imaginary dragon.

Wrath of Orion
Member Sun Nov 15 08:57:24
The PPE shortages never fully went away, they just stopped grabbing headlines. A lot of the mask PPE is not able to be used properly because of the shortages (aka, reusing them when you're supposed to throw them away).

It's still a very real issue.

Dukhat
Member Sun Nov 15 09:14:02
Just like none of Trump's sexual harassment and assaults went away either. Trumpers and conservatives dragged the rest of the country into one of their dysfunctional relationships with a chronic abuser.

Rugian
Member Sun Nov 15 09:16:37
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=creepy+biden&t=h_&iax=images&ia=images

werewolf dictator
Member Sun Nov 15 11:15:49
tara reade

believe women

Habebe
Member Sun Nov 15 14:17:22
Tara trade (sp)

Is the reason I lost any respect at all for.the #me too broads...bunch of hacks.

Dakyron
Member Mon Nov 16 13:09:48
Who gives a shit about nursing homes. Those are people that are dying anyway. Better off they die quickly of COVID...

patom
Member Mon Nov 16 14:10:45
Dakyron, so you seem all good if the people who are busting their asses working in the Nursing Homes get Covid and die?

Dakyron
Member Mon Nov 16 14:15:04
patom - its not like the people IN THE NURSING HOME are venturing out and getting COVID. Its those same people bringing it in.

So they get grouped into the general public. They are not nurses/doctors in hospitals treating COVID patients.

kargen
Member Mon Nov 16 15:13:26
Because governors said fuck you we will do what we want.

patom
Member Mon Nov 16 18:16:27
Dakyron, you obviously have never in your life been inside a Nursing home. Please make a thumb drive with all your thoughts on Nursing Homes and set it aside for the future.

Dukhat
Member Mon Nov 16 23:05:33
Seeing all these cuckservatives constantly repeat lies still. Our society is fucked. These people have been lying to themselves for 10 years.

habebe
Member Tue Nov 17 08:45:15
Want to hear some lies people tell themselves?

The problem in this country is that 40% of our country is deplorable racists.

The Democrats are the emerging party of the future, soon with demographic shifts we will be a 1 party nation.

The Senate and EC are.rigged against us.

obaminated
Member Tue Nov 17 12:02:52
To answer op

"Why are elderly homes still asking for help?"

Because this virus is dangerous to elderly people who generally have health problems.

However trump has done so much shit to not only help the country but the fucking world that other countries literally are taking our medical supplies and ventilators.

patom
Member Tue Nov 17 14:56:01
obaminated, for one thing, nursing homes do NOT use ventilators. They are used in Hospital settings only with a team of specialists.
Secondly, to my knowledge, there is no shortage of ventilators at the present time.

The op question is in regard to face masks and other PPE's that help prevent nurses and care givers from transmitting diseases to others. In nursing homes the vast majority of the residents could be considered highly vulnerable.
'RESIDENTS', that is the operative word. Nursing HOMES, the residents are there for a reason. Many, if not most, of them can no longer care for themselves. What little remains of their lives deserve as much protection as we can give them.

werewolf dictator
Member Tue Nov 17 19:34:33
counter question

if trump has done such a horrible job and has killed 200k people [or whatever the democrat talking point of the day is].. then why do 3 of the major 5 countries in west europe [spain italy and united kingdom.. but not germany and france] have worse death rates than the usa

obaminated
Member Tue Nov 17 21:38:52
Patom do you think for a second plastic face masks do anything?

Also werewolf, fuck off man you are a shitty russian bot who doesnt deserves his paycheck. Ironically hood and tw will back you. Hence leftist having a complete unaware hypocrisy that the right has to deal with.

werewolf dictator
Member Tue Nov 17 22:08:07
most of that didn't even make sense but tyvm for the gibberish

patom
Member Tue Nov 17 22:23:35
obaminated, the next time you have surgery please insist that nobody in the OR wear masks as you think they are a waste of time.

obaminated
Member Tue Nov 17 22:34:38
Patom, do you honestly believe a 5 cent mask which isnt airtight around your nose, mouth and eyes protects you from this virus?

werewolf dictator
Member Tue Nov 17 22:39:19
a cheap mask keeps you from spitting droplets for many feet right in front of you onto other people

likewise it keeps droplets from other people going straight into your wide open gibberish-speaking mouth

kargen
Member Tue Nov 17 23:06:36
The reason masks work in an operating room is they wash their hands, put on the mask then they don't touch the mask or their face. Also they have a better grade mask.
Reason they are not working out in the general public is because very few people will put them on then leave them alone. People who are consistently touching their mask/face might as well not wear one.

werewolf dictator
Member Tue Nov 17 23:21:08
fauci and surgeon general and cdc and hhs are responsible for the incorrect beliefs that masks are ineffective or even counterproductive.. since this is the bs they told in "myth of metals" early on to curtail demand from general public

trump is good negative role model showing how you can join 3% of population catching covid if you and fools around you listen to what they originally said and wont wear masks

patom
Member Tue Nov 17 23:21:49
obaminated, are you that stupid that you haven't paid one bit of attention to the purpose of masks?

patom
Member Tue Nov 17 23:25:48
obaminated, are you that stupid that you haven't paid one bit of attention to the purpose of masks?How many times has it been explained that masks are to prevent you from spreading your germs onto others.

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patom Member	Sat Nov 14 17:58:56 job on the Pandemic. Why are Nursing Homes still out begging for donations of PPE's. I must confess, I was blown away tonight watching the local news from Bangor when the had a segment on about the problems Nursing Homes are facing in the midst of this pandemic. Here we are over 10 months into this shit storm and we're still not insuring that the frontline workers are being properly supplied with essential equipment to protect them and their patients. To all you Trump supporters, is there any reason why we can't supply our health care workers with PPE's?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Nov 14 18:08:09 Pence will probably get thrown under the bus if it gets so bad that Trump finally has to start paying attention (although that's quite a bar... unlikely he will ever pay attention to anything non-selfish again)
habebe Member	Sat Nov 14 18:27:31 If we truly lack ppe, then some of the blame rightly goes at Trump for.not ramping up production lile he did with ventilators.
werewolf dictator Member	Sat Nov 14 19:04:18 because the strategic national stockpile was neglected for ten years and previous presidents and congress exported manufacturing to china who wants ppe for themselves
Dukhat Member	Sun Nov 15 03:56:33 More fake news sigh
Dukhat Member	Sun Nov 15 03:57:15 At least habebe has some perspective on reality.
patom Member	Sun Nov 15 05:19:06 I'm not sure if any of you are familiar with Nursing Homes in this country. They have always had trouble with staffing long before the Pandemic. Nursing homes rely on CNA's to give 98% of the care that residents need. These are the people that are in direct contact with the residents. They get them out of bed, clean them and their beds. get them to eat their food or literally feed them, pay attention to the little things that are indicators of problems. You may ask how I know this and I'll tell you my wife did that work for 20 years. The turnover rate of CNA's in nursing homes is one of the highest for any profession. It's not only physically hard, it is emotionally hard. Most of the time they are working shorthanded. Adding more work to be shared with those that showed up for work. With the Pandemic the shortage of workers is even worse because those wishing to get the qualifications to be a CNA aren't allowed inside a Nursing Home for their clinical training. As if there is a long line of people willing to put their lives at risk working in a Nursing Home. Add to all that the pay sucks. It takes some very special people to be willing to do the job of a CNA in a Nursing Home setting.
Habebe Member	Sun Nov 15 07:13:01 I just seen a bit of ABC (GMA) where some nurse rep. Was like " we have been begging and pleading with President Trump for months for PPE, reusing the same equipment since March, woah is me" then pretty much are just like, now we're waiting for Biden, the great white hope....bla blah blah Sounds like a fake obstacle to make Biden look good " oh look thanking wrestled this dead, uh I mean libe tiger all by himself" But half the country will.eat it up.The other half will find fault with everything he does.
patom Member	Sun Nov 15 07:51:05 Already blaming Biden? Was I asleep and he's already been sworn in???
Habebe Member	Sun Nov 15 07:53:26 I didn't blame Biden at all.Im saying it looks like he is being set up to slay an imaginary dragon.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Nov 15 08:57:24 The PPE shortages never fully went away, they just stopped grabbing headlines. A lot of the mask PPE is not able to be used properly because of the shortages (aka, reusing them when you're supposed to throw them away). It's still a very real issue.
Dukhat Member	Sun Nov 15 09:14:02 Just like none of Trump's sexual harassment and assaults went away either. Trumpers and conservatives dragged the rest of the country into one of their dysfunctional relationships with a chronic abuser.
Rugian Member	Sun Nov 15 09:16:37 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=creepy+biden&t=h_&iax=images&ia=images
werewolf dictator Member	Sun Nov 15 11:15:49 tara reade believe women
Habebe Member	Sun Nov 15 14:17:22 Tara trade (sp) Is the reason I lost any respect at all for.the #me too broads...bunch of hacks.
Dakyron Member	Mon Nov 16 13:09:48 Who gives a shit about nursing homes. Those are people that are dying anyway. Better off they die quickly of COVID...
patom Member	Mon Nov 16 14:10:45 Dakyron, so you seem all good if the people who are busting their asses working in the Nursing Homes get Covid and die?
Dakyron Member	Mon Nov 16 14:15:04 patom - its not like the people IN THE NURSING HOME are venturing out and getting COVID. Its those same people bringing it in. So they get grouped into the general public. They are not nurses/doctors in hospitals treating COVID patients.
kargen Member	Mon Nov 16 15:13:26 Because governors said fuck you we will do what we want.
patom Member	Mon Nov 16 18:16:27 Dakyron, you obviously have never in your life been inside a Nursing home. Please make a thumb drive with all your thoughts on Nursing Homes and set it aside for the future.
Dukhat Member	Mon Nov 16 23:05:33 Seeing all these cuckservatives constantly repeat lies still. Our society is fucked. These people have been lying to themselves for 10 years.
habebe Member	Tue Nov 17 08:45:15 Want to hear some lies people tell themselves? The problem in this country is that 40% of our country is deplorable racists. The Democrats are the emerging party of the future, soon with demographic shifts we will be a 1 party nation. The Senate and EC are.rigged against us.
obaminated Member	Tue Nov 17 12:02:52 To answer op "Why are elderly homes still asking for help?" Because this virus is dangerous to elderly people who generally have health problems. However trump has done so much shit to not only help the country but the fucking world that other countries literally are taking our medical supplies and ventilators.
patom Member	Tue Nov 17 14:56:01 obaminated, for one thing, nursing homes do NOT use ventilators. They are used in Hospital settings only with a team of specialists. Secondly, to my knowledge, there is no shortage of ventilators at the present time. The op question is in regard to face masks and other PPE's that help prevent nurses and care givers from transmitting diseases to others. In nursing homes the vast majority of the residents could be considered highly vulnerable. 'RESIDENTS', that is the operative word. Nursing HOMES, the residents are there for a reason. Many, if not most, of them can no longer care for themselves. What little remains of their lives deserve as much protection as we can give them.
werewolf dictator Member	Tue Nov 17 19:34:33 counter question if trump has done such a horrible job and has killed 200k people [or whatever the democrat talking point of the day is].. then why do 3 of the major 5 countries in west europe [spain italy and united kingdom.. but not germany and france] have worse death rates than the usa
obaminated Member	Tue Nov 17 21:38:52 Patom do you think for a second plastic face masks do anything? Also werewolf, fuck off man you are a shitty russian bot who doesnt deserves his paycheck. Ironically hood and tw will back you. Hence leftist having a complete unaware hypocrisy that the right has to deal with.
werewolf dictator Member	Tue Nov 17 22:08:07 most of that didn't even make sense but tyvm for the gibberish
patom Member	Tue Nov 17 22:23:35 obaminated, the next time you have surgery please insist that nobody in the OR wear masks as you think they are a waste of time.
obaminated Member	Tue Nov 17 22:34:38 Patom, do you honestly believe a 5 cent mask which isnt airtight around your nose, mouth and eyes protects you from this virus?
werewolf dictator Member	Tue Nov 17 22:39:19 a cheap mask keeps you from spitting droplets for many feet right in front of you onto other people likewise it keeps droplets from other people going straight into your wide open gibberish-speaking mouth
kargen Member	Tue Nov 17 23:06:36 The reason masks work in an operating room is they wash their hands, put on the mask then they don't touch the mask or their face. Also they have a better grade mask. Reason they are not working out in the general public is because very few people will put them on then leave them alone. People who are consistently touching their mask/face might as well not wear one.
werewolf dictator Member	Tue Nov 17 23:21:08 fauci and surgeon general and cdc and hhs are responsible for the incorrect beliefs that masks are ineffective or even counterproductive.. since this is the bs they told in "myth of metals" early on to curtail demand from general public trump is good negative role model showing how you can join 3% of population catching covid if you and fools around you listen to what they originally said and wont wear masks
patom Member	Tue Nov 17 23:21:49 obaminated, are you that stupid that you haven't paid one bit of attention to the purpose of masks?
patom Member	Tue Nov 17 23:25:48 obaminated, are you that stupid that you haven't paid one bit of attention to the purpose of masks?How many times has it been explained that masks are to prevent you from spreading your germs onto others.
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