Utopia Talk / Politics / Biden dodging debates

Habebe Member	Thu Aug 06 17:02:55 http://www...equest-debate-september-392366 Cant blame him. Hiding out is working better for him thannpublic speaking.
Rugian Member	Thu Aug 06 17:12:46 The entire point of the current timing of the debates is that voters will be left with an impression of the candidates that will still be fresh on their minds when they vote in early November. If a significant portion of the country seems poised to vote before November, then what is the argument for maintaining the current timing?
Rugian Member	Thu Aug 06 17:14:00 On the flip side though, Trump could use the extra time to practice. His performances in some of recent interviews have been awful.
Habebe Member	Thu Aug 06 17:15:52 It's a clear dodge. For a party that always claims they want more voters and transparency there actions clearly are proof its BS.
Habebe Member	Thu Aug 06 17:17:08 Rugian, Trump shines in events like this. Agaimst Biden it.will be shooting fish in a barrel.
obaminated Member	Thu Aug 06 17:27:53 Debating isnt an interview. Trump would steamroll biden in a debate, trump is high energy while biden is slow and often says very racially charged things like his blacks vs hispanics quote.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Aug 06 17:43:49 i'd like to point out the article says -nothing- about Biden's position on debates or timing (no clear dodge) & getting Trump to practice debating will be like getting a child to practice piano (or debating)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Aug 06 17:51:24 only Trump has chickened out of a debate... & one hosted by Fox News no less (then hastily tossed together a veterans charity event to draw away viewers from Fox rather than holding it at a better time w/ more preparation which would've gotten more attention for the cause... but of course he doesn't give a shit about charity)
Habebe Member	Thu Aug 06 17:52:24 Tw, If he wanted to debate there would be no issue. I dont get the piano reference. I feel like most people who practice piano are children. I took Piano as a kid and havnt ever since.
Habebe Member	Thu Aug 06 17:52:25 Tw, If he wanted to debate there would be no issue. I dont get the piano reference. I feel like most people who practice piano are children. I took Piano as a kid and havnt ever since.
Average Ameriacn Member	Thu Aug 06 17:58:24 Biden has dodged the intelligence test, dodging the debate is no surprise.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Aug 06 18:47:31 re: piano Rugian hoped Trump would use the extra time to practice i'm suggesting it will be hard for adults to get him to practice... he hates preparing, he has said so... & it shows
hood Member	Thu Aug 06 19:03:56 "I took Piano as a kid and havnt ever since." Yeah, that was precisely the point.
Renzo Marquez Member	Thu Aug 06 19:08:43 The debate should only include one question. Give them a pen and paper and ask "can you draw a clock?"
kargen Member	Thu Aug 06 20:03:28 I think it was Dana Perino that suggested giving them each a smart phone and the first one to download the Pizza Hut app and have a pizza delivered gets to be president. I don't know if that was a shot at the candidates or the app.
obaminated Member	Thu Aug 06 20:17:10 To be fair that app can be tricky.
Habebe Member	Thu Aug 06 20:21:30 I like the pizza idea.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Aug 06 22:27:31 "we were at the bottom of this incredible room. And I said, 'This is the greatest room I've ever seen.' I saw more computer boards than I think that they make today." ~ Trump by 'computer boards' i'm very confident he means monitors/screens... using a term absolutely no one w/ a speck of knowledge would use also no evidence he has ever emailed my $ would be on Biden (just as i'm certain Trump would never be able to do it)
Dukhat Member	Thu Aug 06 23:56:32 It's amazing how the cuckservatives can jerk each other off raw and can easily be lied too as long as the lie reinforces one of their many misconceptions of the world. This can happen even if they source has lied to them before and they know it. Literally the dumbest of the dumb.
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 08:09:36 Dukhat, You think that only happens.with cons?
Dakyron Member	Fri Aug 07 10:18:40 computer boards? That is a term I haven't heard since the 1990s... "my $ would be on Biden (just as i'm certain Trump would never be able to do it) " Trump uses twitter all the time. I'm sure he could figure it out first. Biden can't go five minutes without insulting his followers.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 11:55:23 somebody put Twitter on his phone & showed him how to use it he wouldn't know what 'download' means, he wouldn't how what 'app' means if you removed the Twitter icon, he would have no idea how to ever access it again you can tell he's never googled or any other basic thing by the way he talks about tech companies & their products
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 12:07:16 plus he has people print out news articles from the web as he doesn't (can't) use a computer (i don't blame him for not reading on a phone... although he also wouldn't know how to access news websites, or any websites on his phone) ... then does shit like this: "Trump — who reads newspapers “all the time,” per another White House official — scans the papers for names he knows, especially when the people are quoted. When he spots an article he wants to send along, he does not text or email a hyperlink. Instead, he often tears or pulls out the article himself and then directs assistants to put them in the mail once he’s written a note in black Sharpie, usually accompanied by his jagged John Hancock" http://www...print-newspapers-media-1437913 (there are some examples of his messages on articles) he wrote "so true" & made an arrow pointing to the headline of "There Is Only Trump"... then snail-mailed to the opinion writer who wrote it... (he's fucked up in the head... & no ability to use modern tech)
Rugian Member	Fri Aug 07 12:12:26 "“He’s not a fan of The New York Times or The Washington Post but he never misses a day reading them,” a person close to the White House said. “And if he doesn’t read them that day, he’ll put them in a box and read them a few days later.”" That's...very balanced of him to read publications that flat out despise him. How much time do you think Biden spends watching Fox News?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 12:43:08 he's just reading parts that mention him & watching every show that mentions him if he was actually reading articles he'd be able to demonstrate knowledge of topics
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 12:46:43 plus he's probably scanning to see who is saying what about him we know he has a rating list of every Fox host on how loyal they are to him, he probably has similar lists for other news outlets & every person he sees
Rugian Member	Fri Aug 07 13:16:26 Who is loyal to Trump at either the NYT or WaPo? One of those outlets literally changed their banner to "Democracy Dies in Darkness" after he was elected, while the other fires any editor who makes the mistake of allowing a sitting Republican Senator to contribute to its opinion section. Goddamn I hate the media. And no tw, Trump didnt instill that hatred in me, and it's not going away after he leaves office in 2024.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 13:27:41 i meant he's reading to see what any named sources are saying about him to rate them... do they waffle or are they 100% sycophants plus he does trust various reporters to varying degrees, he gave Maggie Habermann numerous interviews as for media hatred: would the media Trump is pushing make things better or worse? if it was all OANNs would that be an improvement? or the depths of hell...
Paramount Member	Fri Aug 07 13:30:53 "Goddamn I hate the media." - Rugian Maybe you can find solace in the fact that Saudi Arabia murdered a journalist who wrote for the Washington Post, and that Trump got the Saudi's backs.
Rugian Member	Fri Aug 07 13:52:55 Given that the media treats him as a full-blown enemy, I think hes fair to rate them as such. I have never seen or read OANN so I have no idea what's on there. But I do know that the push by the media to monopolize their control over America's political coverage is a garbage move and is far more dangerous than anything Trump has ever proposed.
TJ Member	Fri Aug 07 14:09:27 http://www.oann.com/hydroxychloroquine/ Experts disagreeing with experts. Not a shocker.
TJ Member	Fri Aug 07 14:10:07 You can followup with this link. http://c19study.com/
Paramount Member	Fri Aug 07 14:10:19 "Given that the media treats him as a full-blown enemy" Given that Trump declared war on the media in early 2017, just days after he was installed http://edi...res-running-war-with-media.cnn and then later he declared the media to be "THE ENEMY", it may be only natural that the media in turn has started to treat him as a full-blown enemy :)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 15:21:32 "Experts disagreeing with experts" go research the black lady in that video... (i know nothing about the others) also it's not like it's an equivalent amount on each side... why would CDC/NIH specifically NOT recommend it? also that's not OANN's worst story... Trump deciding the old guy knocked down by police was an antifa member trying to disrupt police communications was from an OANN story (one that had only the video we all can see as their sole evidence) it's as if Hannity & Trump & Alex Jones had a baby
TJ Member	Fri Aug 07 15:30:31 I find "go research the black lady" hilarious. Since you have lay it on me.
Renzo Marquez Member	Fri Aug 07 15:32:51 tumbleweed the wanderer Fri Aug 07 15:21:32 "also it's not like it's an equivalent amount on each side... why would CDC/NIH specifically NOT recommend it?" Are you familiar with regulatory capture? Are you familiar with how much Remdesivir costs? What about hydroxychloroquine?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 15:38:40 so everything is pure corruption? there's a cure but it's being suppressed hydroxy works because Trump said it does...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 15:43:01 to TJ... she claimed hydroxy was a cure & Trump happily tweeted it (did Fox not mention it?) but here you go: http://www...n-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine if you find that 'fake news' find a good review of her & let me know
Renzo Marquez Member	Fri Aug 07 15:46:43 The studies I have read suggest that it is effective as a prophylactic when administered with zinc and azithromycin. It's not a cure. It does not appear to be effective for treating patients who are already very sick.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 15:47:19 or if you want info straight from her, she tweeted "Yes America! some need deliverance from demon sperm. Here’s the message, enjoy." her linked video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJrJG9xymts (i didn't watch... if you do, let me know if it's compelling)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 15:50:01 "it is effective as a prophylactic when administered with zinc and azithromycin" then why is no one recommending that? even Trump stopped "It's not a cure. It does not appear to be effective for treating patients who are already very sick. " so Trump tweeting that it was a cure would be inappropriate...
Renzo Marquez Member	Fri Aug 07 15:52:49 tumbleweed the wanderer Fri Aug 07 15:50:01 "then why is no one recommending that?" Plenty of people are. Trump said it was good so media and resistards have to say it's bad.
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 15:53:21 http://amp...n-russia-china-iran/index.html Semi related article. Basically, Russia wants Trump in office and China/Iran want Biden.
Rugian Member	Fri Aug 07 16:03:12 "Semi related article. Basically, Russia wants Trump in office and China/Iran want Biden." Guess which one of those three tw has been most critical of.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 16:06:22 you probably think Russia, but the answer is overwhelmingly China... (as i've advocated killing them all repeatedly) i've barely criticized Russia at all, i've criticized Trump's responses to Russia's actions
TJ Member	Fri Aug 07 16:08:52 TW: I watched enough of the video and didn't find it unusual or remarkably different than a lot of churches. There was no "God-Damned America" statements in it though. If you are condemning believers of faith you should also condemn those who attended John Lewis's going home celebration. You didn't watch? lmao
Renzo Marquez Member	Fri Aug 07 16:09:07 His actions like providing heavy weapons to Ukraine? Bombing Syria?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 16:15:08 the video has nothing to do with it even if you're fine w/ her demon sperm beliefs, her evidence it was a cure was she allegedly treated many patients & they all did fine well, she's a pediatrician... in a strip mall clinic (next to her ministry)... given her crazy religious beliefs, i'm not confident she used actual covid tests rather than a cauldron or mystic powers, but even if so, she's likely treating children & people who are not seriously ill (or they'd go to a hospital) & even on the unlikely chance she's treating actual covid patients & some actually are really sick, her anecdotal experience would -still- not be proof it's a cure (which it definitely isn't) & her definitely false claim certainly should not be promoted by Trump (the 'President')
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 16:18:21 "His actions like providing heavy weapons to Ukraine? Bombing Syria? " you think the weapons were his idea? & they warned Russia before bombing Syria so hardly huge evidence of having a problem w/ Russia news just today that Pompeo -did- address the bounties issue w/ Russians (the story Trump called another hoax, & brought up Schiff for some reason... it came from the intel community and in no way a hoax) he is instantly defensive on EVERY anti-russia story, find -any- counter example
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 16:25:42 In TWs defense, he has consistently been against China. But... He has been consistently against Trumps relation with Russia.
TJ Member	Fri Aug 07 16:25:58 She didn't claim it was a cure. She claimed it was an effective treatment. Evidently you thought it was relevant to her credibility or you wouldn't have mentioned. I get it-you wish to discredit her as a reliable physician witness. Do you believe all them in the video were not credible physicians?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 16:26:29 from that article " In providing an example of Russia's attempts to "denigrate" Biden, Evanina accused pro-Russia Ukrainian parliamentarian Andriy Derkach of "spreading claims about corruption" to undermine Biden's candidacy and the Democratic Party. " at least one place Derkach was doing that was on OANN in their "Ukrainian Witnesses Destroy Schiff's Case - w/ Rudy Giuliani" multi-part series sure sounds like good journalism
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 16:34:37 "She didn't claim it was a cure." yeah, she did, very specifically... plus it was in the text of tweet [tweet text: "Covid has cure. America wake up."] "this virus has a cure, it's called hydroxychloroquine" & "you don’t need a mask. There is a cure” ~ demon sperm lady -in- the video Trump posted you obviously have no knowledge of this lady or the incident "Do you believe all them in the video were not credible physicians?" no, that's why i noted i hadn't research any others... seems to me someone assembled any & every 'doctor' they could find who promoted hydroxy ... i'm not saying no doctor in existence will defend it, i'm saying it's clearly the minority & it's DEFINITELY NOT a cure
Pillz Member	Fri Aug 07 16:36:56 TW thinks the US should just start bombing Russian forces in foreign countries Off yourself, we can handle the Chinese.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 16:39:51 if that part of her comments is not in the OANN video then they edited it out, but it was same event as what Trump tweeted (& obviously same lady)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 16:41:48 no, i'm saying Trump bombing Syria is not evidence of Trump being tough on Russia saying (or suggesting) he's tough on Russia is ludicrous... adults have passed some sanctions, he's never once advocated for any of them, he never criticizes, he always defends Russia
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 16:44:23 ...plus he has delayed & tried to not enforce some of the sanctions
TJ Member	Fri Aug 07 17:04:35 "DEFINITELY NOT a cure" Define what a cure is and then define what a successful treatment is. Try not to be bias, racist, or anti-religious when defining. I was not pro or con entering this discussion and I'm still not. It is easy to say anything.
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 17:11:11 Cure- removes the affliction permanently. S. Treatment- Anything that shortens the length of time, prohibits the catching of or mitigates any of the symptoms.
TJ Member	Fri Aug 07 17:12:26 Did you think TW needed help? He should be offended. lulz
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 17:12:28 Tw, Well, not when US interests are at stake. IE Nordstream.
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 17:13:30 Tj, Tbh , I didnt take note that it was directed I my at TW.
TJ Member	Fri Aug 07 17:19:08 Habebe: I though quoting TW was sufficient. My error.
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 17:43:53 No, its on me, I just skimmed and in doing so I read your post and not the posts before it that it was responding to.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 17:46:11 i need no help... cure 1 a substance or treatment that cures a disease or condition. 2 the process of curing rubber, plastic, or other material. 3 a Christian minister's pastoral charge or area of responsibility for spiritual ministry. i'll assume she meant meant #1 are you really trying to argue it's a cure? why? should people stop wearing masks as it's a cure?... that's what she said... that's what the president put out there... & if you think it's a better preventative measure than masks (as Trump seems to, as he has promoted it ~100x more often), then go ahead & take it, take as much as you want, as it can't harm you (according to the President) & this started (i think) as i implied OANN was pure shit... if you think OANN is an improvement over existing news organization options, then you might be a kargen
TJ Member	Fri Aug 07 18:45:10 I can play as long as I choose. I haven't claimed anything. Just posting links. The term “cure” means that, after medical treatment, the patient no longer has that particular condition anymore. Some diseases can be cured. Others, like hepatitis B, have no cure. The person will always have the condition, but medical treatments can help to manage the disease. I suppose the link doesn't know the difference. http://www...20to%20manage%20the%20disease. If you don't like that definition try the one below. http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/cure Fair and balanced. :)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 18:51:47 so if a kid gets covid-19, & i give him a hamburger, & he eventually gets better i can say the hamburger is a cure? i have no idea what point you're trying to make the President relaying hydroxy is a cure obviously would be taken to assume that taking hydroxy removes the illness (for minimally a large % of people)... this is definitely not the case or so many studies wouldn't be failing to find it helpful at all if you think hydroxy+ is a cure (for covid-19) & that OANN is a great news network, then whatever, we never need to speak again
TJ Member	Fri Aug 07 18:59:49 I know a hamburger can satisfy hunger. It might take two or more depending on many things. lulz You seem to read all sorts of things into posts. All of them false. Have I forced you to respond also?
Habebe Member	Fri Aug 07 19:00:50 By hamburger do you mean Carrots and Water? Because that's what Im hearing and yes, that combo will cure covid.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 07 22:03:54 anything can be a cure apparently as the virus is not 100% fatal to TJ, you appeared to be defending OANN by posting an OANN 'article' then defending the substance of it (hydroxy+)... as no one was talking about hydroxy & it was right after i insulted OANN you can see why it looks that way (and that's barely an OANN article as it's a tiny description then just a Breitbart video, so already crappy journalism) anyway, another disturbing example of OANN behavior (that i noted at the time in my award-winning thread series): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwm8McnWU78 - that reporter just goes to all the briefings as a guest of the white house, ignoring the normal rotation of journalists from the WHCA & providing essentially planted questions for Kayleigh to answer - her question is 'has Trump considered pardoning Obama for all his crimes?' (so let's just take for granted he has committed crimes, when none remotely close to being established... good journalism) plus as i noted once before, this would be a good sleazy move to do, pardon Obama & get 'on the fence' people to think 'oh, he's being the bigger man & isn't a petty child at all'... plus no need to explain why Obama will never get arrested for all the crimes Trump alleged about him over the past 4 years as it's just the pardon, not that it was all total bullshit - it just happens to provide an opening for Kayleigh to present her little Obamagate slideshow
TJ Member	Fri Aug 07 22:35:48 "if it was all OANNs would that be an improvement? or the depths of hell..." You mentioned OANN so I researched and posted a link. I wasn't pro or con to the news site. You ran with it in the way I had expected. There were plenty of news article links at the link for others to decide for themselves. Did you check the followup link I posted? I suspect not. No comments on the Durham report and indictments if any will be made.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 08 01:12:27 your link is a list of studies some anonymous person or persons has assembled... i don't know if it's a complete or accurate list & no way to judge the anonymous person or persons credibility given they are anonymous (although they show some both positive & negative studies so that's a point in their favor) the anonymous person or persons have labeled more of them as positive results than negative... although i don't know the credibility of each study (& i'm not planning to check each & attempt to rate it... although some are from China so i would not trust those right off) i do know no medical expert from the task force has joined in Trump's recommendation of it (& claim of harmlessness), & i do know CDC/NIH recommends against it (outside of trials)... if they are all pulling a scam then i guess i will be a victim of it
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 08 01:42:38 are there compelling studies that masks should not be used? why can't our moron-in-chief encourage his cultists to wear them? (outside of one tweet after a poor interview performance & terrible polling)
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