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Habebe
Member
Mon Aug 03 01:44:53
This is sort of a spin off of Jerguls supplements thread but with a more longevity focused concept.

Something we have known for a long time on how to live longer is reduced calories, there is no debate on this, the downside is that it also leads to lethargy, reduced sex drive etc.

In comes intermittent fasting. In other words picking an 8 hour window to eat and 16 hours to not. It still seems to have many of the benefits with reduced negative side effects.

Metformin, its been safely used in the US simce 95 and in the UK simce the 50s ( 58?) To treat diabetes.

Its a wonder drug, I first discovered its anti aging effects in a popular mechanics or Nat Geo magazine in jail. I learned of the " church of eternal life" im Fla. Who had been securing the drug for its followers for years.

It drastically** reduces many cancers preemptively, increases DNA repair, protects against DNA oxidation, protects against heart disease by reducing artery inflamation and the oxidation of LDL cholesterol and a lot more, mostly by activating a metabolic regulator called AMPK.

http://www...metformin-slashes-cancer-risks

Now Metformin is slightly more debatable than say reduced calorie diets, but the preponderance of the evidence is in favor of Metformin.

There is a lot of interesting work coming out of people like Dr. Sinclair about other chemicals.

I almost forgot, reservatol , the chemical in Red wine also is good. And these things have a stacked effect.

So I. Fasting, metformin and reservatol coupled with generally healthy behaviour such as moderate exercise/ weight training, and good sleep.
Habebe
Member
Fri Aug 07 19:03:17
Dr. Sinclair also has a great interview on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast.
Dukhat
Member
Sat Aug 08 04:17:04
Just fast. It’s better all around. The mechanism of metaformin is a primary metabolic pathway. That’s why it helps diabetics. It doesn’t affect telomeres which is what causes aging.

Longevity is from preventing your telomeres from shortening and making your sure your dna keeps replicating itself without error. Fasting has more evidence showing it affects our body’s ability to repair itself and maintain proper functioning.

Intermittent fasting not only helps you love longer but it also lets you lose weight without counting calories. If you only eat one meal a day, it’s nearly impossible to overeat and you will lose weight. And multiple day fasts can burn belly fat and put you in a prolonged state of autophagy which consumes and repairs old cells.

Fasting - way better healthstyle choice than microdosing or whatever the fuck Nim is doing right now between raping his wife or fucking Rugian’s dad’s corpse.
Habebe
Member
Sat Aug 08 06:45:58
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3370421/

Here is a link about telomeres for anyone like myself who didn't know much about them.
Habebe
Member
Sat Aug 08 06:46:48
http://youtu.be/HOTS0HS7aq4

This is the interview that actually sparked this thread.

I highly recommend it.
Habebe
Member
Thu Aug 13 15:09:05
Ttt
jergul
large member
Thu Aug 13 15:35:30
Dukhat
The theory behind fasting is that it tricks the body into a more efficient repair mode instead of replacement.

This impactsdirectly on telemores because they shorten with each generation of cells. If a body is repairing instead of replacing, then every cell is older at a given biological age - and fewer cell generations have passed.

Habebe
We do the 18-6. It fine. Late breakfast, late lunch, early dinner. Its not really a calorie reducing diet, but that is often a spin-off effect unless we are careful.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Aug 13 15:59:44
Yea, basically your body ”thinks” you are starving and starts repairing, increasing your chance to survive. On the other end the body builder mode of bulking with carbs, actives IGF-2 which tells your body fuck the repairs just grow! Not surprising IGF-2 is associated with increased risk for cancer.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Aug 13 16:18:41
I did LCHF for the longest time, but I got bored. It is basically fast mode as far as your metabolism goes. But not eating pizzas and burgers, pasta and bread :,(
sam adams
Member
Thu Aug 13 16:23:20
Ok what medicine do i take beacause i aint fasting.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Aug 13 16:30:13
It isn’t difficult, it sounds mich worse than it is. I mean it sucks for the first few day or weeks, depending on a bunch of unknown factors. But I feel much better, more energy working. If you are doing anything physically explosive, that will suck. I eat fruit before any such workout. So, I end up fast-ish. You can do it most days. Just stop eating so often.
Habebe
Member
Thu Aug 13 16:31:28
Sam

Metformin

Reservation

The other ones Is watch thenfirst 10 minutes of the joe rogan clip I posted. They are like LR and LDA or something.
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Thu Aug 13 16:51:25
Diprivan lots and lots of Diprivan
kargen
Member
Thu Aug 13 18:46:37
The giant roller coaster with the loops and all that other fun stuff is a five minute ride. The train around the park is a twenty minute ride. We all know which line we are going to stand in.

Eat a damn cheeseburger.
jergul
large member
Thu Aug 13 20:03:31
Kargen
In that analogy, it is more about staying inside the roller coaster cart as it twists and turns.

Eat a damn cheeseburger. Just don't eat 5 of them :).
kargen
Member
Thu Aug 13 20:12:25
I'm actually trying to lose about forty pounds so no cheeseburgers for me for a while now. I put on a lot of weight after I had my knee replaced. I'm 6'4" so an extra forty on me isn't as drastic as it would be for others but I still want to get rid of it.
Habebe
Member
Thu Aug 13 20:22:50
I just ate so much hummus...
jergul
large member
Fri Aug 14 03:32:55
Kargen
I am sure you can if you put your mind to it. That damned American rowing machine will be delivered next week. Only 4 months after I placed the order. Fucking covid. I will tell you how it works out. It may just be an expensive clothing rack.

Habebe
Good for you. You are almost certainly not eating enough legumes.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Aug 14 04:10:12
Kargen you should really give the periodic fasting a go. It will probably suck for the first week, because you haven't done it before. Quite quickly though, your body and brain get used to it. Yesterday I have a cup of coffee with coconut oil, 11.30 me and the wife worked out (lots of squats) and then around 17 I had a pizza :)

I can fuck up for a couple days and get back without much pain. It is like anything else with the body a matter of training. I remember the days of falling blood sugar, weakness and panic, I NEED FOOD! It just does not happen anymore, stomach may grumble and it's meh.
jergul
large member
Fri Aug 14 04:27:20
I envision it as a primeval thing. Its perfectly ok to pig out because sometimes, evolutionarily speaking, we would find a rotting seal to pig out on while beachcombing.

Usually though, we would start the day finding stuff, then eat stuff over the course of some hours, then netflix and chill until the next day.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Aug 14 07:19:53
Mmm mmm rotting seals and Netflix, now you KNOW it's Friday :D
jergul
large member
Fri Aug 14 07:35:28
Not every day was a Friday for our genetic forbears was both the gist and the point.


I think we left for the coasts and river deltas far earlier than 3000 generations ago (it is still in keeping with the out of africa theory because -duh- Africa has a nice and long eastern coast:).


But yes, it is friday :D.
Habebe
Member
Fri Aug 14 13:13:35
Jergul, Lately your right. Although I love beans. Especially black and red. I had a 2 year period where Id eat what I refer to as quick chilli everyday. Usually meat free sometimes bacon in small amounts. Black beans, salsa and cheese.
Habebe
Member
Fri Aug 14 13:14:40
I also like great northern but not ad much, soups and sometimes In garlic cream sauce.
Habebe
Member
Fri Aug 14 13:14:59
Or english toast.
kargen
Member
Fri Aug 14 18:59:51
I only eat twice a day as it is now usually between one and two in the afternoon and then somewhere around seven or eight.

For losing this weight I am shooting for between 20 and 25 grams of carbs, near 142 grams fat and 153 grams of protein. That usually puts me between 1600 and 2000 calories a day.

It won't be hard to do except I really like fruit and have to stay away from that for the most part.
I have a Bowflex and an exercise bike for physical activity and am walking as much as I can rehabbing the knee. Forty pounds should go fairly quick.
Fried chicken and lots of sandwiches is what did me in while I was first rehabbing the knee.

I have all the fresh meat I want now and the garden is going full blast. If I had a decent source of fresh fish I would be all set.
kargen
Member
Fri Aug 14 19:03:39
Oh and I decided to quit brewing beer for a while. When you brew beer you tend to also drink it.
Dukhat
Member
Sat Aug 15 01:07:04
Macro-wise, under 50 grams of carbs is good for weight loss. You want .8 grams of protein per pound of weight whether or not you are bulking. It helps maintain lean muscle mass. Given you are 6'4" and 40 lbs over weight, that should probably be going for over 200 grams of protein a day.

You should also watch what kinds of fats you eat. Animal fats are always bad for you. But fats from things like nuts and avocadoes and olive oil is fine and even good for you.

I ate 1000 calories a day with 150 grams of protein a day for a few months to burn off some weight I gained after some personal tragedy. I wasn't trying to eat that little, it just came naturally because I only ate once a day. I ate whatever I wanted too including entire pizzas a few time (those days were 1500 calorie day). I was losing 2-3 lbs a week without much effort. I also did a few 2 and 3-day fasts for the autophagy.

The biggest mistake I made was not lifting then though. When you lose weight, you lose fat ... but also water and muscle as well. So it's important to keep lifting heavy and do all the major compound movements like bench presses, dead lifts, etc. in order to maintain lean muscle mass.

People who yo-yo in weight and only do cardio end up losing lean muscle mass each time and losing strength.

There's actually a lot of good literature on this kind of stuff but cuckservatives almost never know it because:

1) They are so distrustful of science.
2) They tend to have tons of bad, fixed habits, and look to blame other people for their own mistakes

Just look at a Trump rally. Bunch of fat-ass mole people.


TJ
Member
Sat Aug 15 11:48:52
Obesity rates are higher among Latinos (47 percent) and blacks (46.8 percent) than among whites (37.9 percent).

According to the AMA

I was fortunate to never be concerned about weight. I'm only 22 pounds heavier than when I was at 17 and I was underweight at 17. Weight is not a political summary. It isn't difficult to notice that approximately 40% of the population is obese.
jergul
large member
Sat Aug 15 12:36:34
The best correlation is with poverty incidentally. If you control for that, then obesity rates are independent of race.
Habebe
Member
Sat Aug 15 12:40:32
Btw, Jergul. My dad's diet is pretty much what you suggested and instead of doing traditional atkins he is doing Atkins phase 2-3. He isnt happy with his weight loss but he should be (6 lbs a month) and more importantly he has only ised insulin once since he started the diet instead 2-3 times a day.
jergul
large member
Sat Aug 15 12:50:48
habebe
That is very good. Tell your dad that if he had the patience to work for 40 years for his pension, then he should be ok with the diet. At that speed, he could have retired at 28 :D
TJ
Member
Sat Aug 15 13:27:49
"The rate is 42.6 percent for those at 100 to 199 percent of the federal poverty line."

http://www...ates-rise-6-states-exceed-35-7
jergul
large member
Sun Aug 16 04:10:15
Weight is incidentally not an exact science (and fat% in orders of magnitude worse).

If you think 80 kg is a good target, then you are there at any weight between 76 and 84 kg. Thinking any different will just stress you out as a salty meal the day before magically adds a pound to your weight the next morning.
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 26 23:39:25
I got a bag of Almond flour today. I figure it has to be better than wheat flour.

I want to try some Glucomannon fiber as well, supposed to be really good.
jergul
large member
Thu Aug 27 01:06:10
What are you using it for? Nuts are incredibly energy dense.

One tip is to add steel cut outmeal to as many things as you can get away with. Its a thickener.

Wheat flour is not bad in itself, it is just heavily processed. Bran removal is one thing, but the steel milling grinds down the wheat to fine particles that are way to easily digestible. Its overkill for most purposes. Fine if you want to make pastry, but way too fine for everything else.

You can actually get stonemilled wheat some places. And in any event, always mix in as much whole wheat flour and whole oatmeal flour as you think you can get away with.

Adding barley to absolutely all not tomatobased or fishstock based soups is also smert.

I try to stay away from supplements unless I know exactly what I am trying to do with them.
jergul
large member
Thu Aug 27 01:13:03
I have been youtubing the crap out of rowing. Turns out 5k was relatively easy because I was doing it wrong. Am doing it better now (power output has doubled) ty youtube and various fitnessfolk on crusades.

10 minutes warmup with technique practice, then 2k. Ideally every day. So 3-5 times a week is what I would bet money on.

But it seems sustainable. In sense that it was ok 7 days in a row (heh).
jergul
large member
Thu Sep 03 02:20:44
I forgot:

250 steps every hour 12 hrs per day. Its not that the steps are good (though they are. They amount to an easy 130-170 calories), but that sitting too long is just so horribly bad. Most everything semi-shuts down.

Particulary important for diabetics.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Sep 03 03:16:38
I don't think energy density is an issue in and of itself. Atkins diet, LCHF these diets are built around energy dense foods and their ability to make you fuller quicker and over an extended period. Minus not having any carbs to signal growth and storage. Bacon and eggs, is energy dense. It's also a staple breakfast item in the Atkin's diet. Nuts are actually quite good stuff. Shelled pistachios are one of the best because you have to peel them, so you can't really gorge on them. Also subjectively, I feel it is hard to eat a lot of nuts, they are salty and dry. I guess some people solve that with soda or beer :)

It comes down to the totality of your nutrition and lifestyle. If you are over-weight and eating unhealthy junk, eating energy dense food is like like pouring water into a bucket that is already running over.
jergul
large member
Thu Sep 03 05:55:07
Nimi
I agree. I was speaking in terms of substitution. Its not a good idea to use nut meal instead of flour. Better to go the other way with stone ground whole wheat.

Particle size matters. The more surface area for a reaction, the quicker the reaction and the lower the GI. Its an exageration to call steel ground refined grains for poison, but not by much. To be consumed in moderation due to the speed at which they can be converted to sugar.

Nuts are not actually that salty. I have a small handfull of nuts a day myself. In porridge for the morning and usually a small handful later in the day.
jergul
large member
Thu Sep 03 05:55:36
higher the GI*
Habebe
Member
Thu Sep 03 08:06:49
" I have a small handfull of nuts a day myself."_ I bet you do.

Anyway, I tried using the almonf flour in like a roux, not a good idea. All in all the meal came out ok figure sasage gravy/green bean casserole) but it thickens like dumping cous cous in it.

As for the Glucomannon , its just a fiber supplement . itnhappens. To be a very effective fiber able to gel.up more.liquid than others.

Right now ive been getting my.fiber mostly from green beans or salad, both of which I eat.like everyday as my staple carb sources.
The Children
Member
Thu Sep 03 08:09:16
i learned that a king crab basically lives forever and ever. they just bottomfeed with no predator except humans.

so if u wanna live 4ever, u gotta be reborn as a big king crab, then u gonna live 4ever on da bottom of da ocean and pray no human nets will catch u.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Sep 03 09:56:27
Jergul
Ah, yes GI.

You are right the nuts themselves do not contain that much salt, I am going by the roasted salted variety. You can of course get them natural.
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