Utopia Talk / Politics / Trump to citizenize DACA dreamers

Dakyron Member	Sat Jul 11 00:13:22 Trump plans on issuing EO to give dreamers a path to citizenship, causing lyin' Ted Cruz to flip the fuck out. I think the last vestige of GOP support for Trump just left. They are actively hoping he loses in November. I also wonder what his supporters think of this. I know a few personally, and they are all immigrant hating batshit crazies. The next five months should be... exciting?
Y2A Member	Sat Jul 11 00:18:12 not sure where this is coming from. I doubt the clown will do anything, if what you are saying it true it will just be a smoke screen. also, fuck lying ted.
Y2A Member	Sat Jul 11 00:18:59 *is true
Dakyron Member	Sat Jul 11 00:20:51 http://www...ers-works-200710231829308.html Link.
Dakyron Member	Sat Jul 11 00:23:10 Also, I would fully support giving citizenship to any dreamers who want it. Come to the US illegally as a child, this is essentially your home. Make it official. Come as an adult and get a swift deportation. Seems fair to me.
Dukhat Member	Sat Jul 11 01:34:44 Biden's kinda of weak with Hispanics. If this is true, it's a hail mary move by Trump to somehow win re-election.
Y2A Member	Sat Jul 11 01:43:30 the clown will win the same types he won last time i.e., (1) non-Spanish speaking obaminated types who think they are better than more "immigrant" Hispanics (2) sects of Cubans/venezulans/all others obsessed with "socialism" in latin America who think Cuba and Venezuela are literally the only countries in all of latin America and think they can tell us how to "stop it" despite having failed miserably in these countries. (3) catholic jesus freaks
Y2A Member	Sat Jul 11 01:47:53 Biden's real weakness is in the fact that Obama-biden did nothing on immigration reform for the full 8 yrs in power despite lying and saying they would do something in the 1st year and trying to then gaslight people into thinking that they did not have trifecta democratic rule and a fillibuster proof supermajority in the Senate for the 1st two years ...but but….we had an economic crisis to deal with...well that didn't stop you from passing the Lilly Ledbetter Act didn't it?
Y2A Member	Sat Jul 11 01:51:09 *(3) catholic/evangelical jesus freaks
Dukhat Member	Sat Jul 11 02:39:48 Immigration reform died with W. You had a Republican president willing to take political damage with a democratic majority and some republican senators for a bipartisan coalition which would've given cover to both parties. It still failed. Now in our hyper-partisan world, we will not get there again for at least a decade. And Obama was never going to spend his political capital on immigration reform first. He spent it on the stimulus and on healthcare reform like he should have. If you don't like what happened, get more progressive republicans and democrats elected. Which you won't get on this issue because it is a huge electoral loser. People are ok with the kids having a path and that's it. Bernie Bros. progressives just don't like the fact they can't convince a majority of Americans to come onto their side on many issues.
Y2A Member	Sat Jul 11 23:51:55 looked more into this interview, as it turns out it looks like it is going to be an election year scam with an attempt to destroy the existing immigration system to one designed such that only stormfronters decide who gets in. not the first time. the only way ppl with DACA are going to have anything done is by getting in Biden and hold his ass to the fire (unlike with Obama, where everyone just kissed his ass and made no demands).
Dukhat Member	Sun Jul 12 00:04:18 lol. How will you hold Biden's ass to a fire? You've literally convinced noone to your way of thinking. Trump's policies tend to poll much better than he does. Biden will win with a massive super-majority because of center-right older white voters. Those voters don't care about giving people like you a path to citizenship. Your best chance is to enlist some moderate Republicans and to wait for when the economy is good and people don't care about the personal economic harm they feel from people like you. Far-left progressives are as fucking retarded as Trump supporters. No empathy and no fucking ability to build a broader coalition. And unlike Trump supporters, they don't have an electoral college advantage or the right to vote either (Y2A is clearly a DACA anchor baby or something similar).
Dakyron Member	Mon Jul 13 12:47:04 "as it turns out it looks like it is going to be an election year scam" You thought otherwise?
Habebe Member	Mon Jul 13 14:03:23 Y2a, About Obama doimg notjing on immigration reform. I dont know of that wil hurt them too much people arw pretry numb to politicians both lying and failing to follow through with campaign promises...
Habebe Member	Mon Jul 13 14:04:13 It's like getting mad at strippers for being slutty.
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