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Rugian
Member
Thu Jul 09 10:05:29
Looks like it was just retaken by the Natives.

Also...PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!
smart dude
Member
Thu Jul 09 10:42:14
Written by Gorsuch, whom Trump appointed. LOL cucked.
Habebe
Member
Thu Jul 09 12:21:06
All this seems to do is to make 3 million acres there pretty much a federal district in regards to criminal prosecution.

Or we could make it its own state and make PR a state too.
Dakyron
Member
Thu Jul 09 16:07:32
I was about to ask where the case goes from here. The entire city of Tulsa is now considered native land. Are they going to kick everyone out? Is the tribe going to start collecting taxes? Are the people born in Tulsa now officially Creek tribal members?

Rugian
Member
Thu Jul 09 16:11:26
Good questions, and I wish I knew. From a legal perspective, this case is fascinating.

It sounds like Congress fucked up when OK was admitted as a state by not disbanding the reservations then. Presumably they could do so now, but good luck getting that bill through the Housem
Rugian
Member
Thu Jul 09 16:19:15
As someone from Arizona, you should be something on an expert on reservation area I assume?
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Thu Jul 09 16:42:19
This case focuses a few thousand Native Americans in Oklahoma and has no effect at all to Non-native Americans.
Rugian
Member
Thu Jul 09 16:44:16
IBTY

The particular case involved one tribe, but the facts that led to the court's decision are the same for all of them.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Jul 09 16:51:15
How much more bullshit from the past does your country have in the closet? You should do an inventory, because they are ALL coming out.
Dakyron
Member
Thu Jul 09 17:06:05
"As someone from Arizona, you should be something on an expert on reservation area I assume? "

Only that reservations do not have to follow state law, and do not have to pay state taxes.

So I guess theoretically, Tulsans no longer have to pay Oklahoma state sales or income tax.
Dakyron
Member
Thu Jul 09 17:10:54
"How much more bullshit from the past does your country have in the closet? You should do an inventory, because they are ALL coming out. "

This is a case from 1997 that just took forever to wind through the courts.

Also the one legitimate case. US did sign that treaty and never officially rescinded it.
Dakyron
Member
Thu Jul 09 17:12:26
I wonder if the state could just buy the land from the tribe. Say $500M.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Jul 09 17:32:11
Just when the USA had so little to think about the supreme court decides to send a shit turd to congress. The timing is great!
kargen
Member
Thu Jul 09 17:42:26
More casinos in Oklahoma!
sam adams
Member
Thu Jul 09 18:23:25
"I wonder if the state could just buy the land from the tribe"

I'll trade you a case of rum for it.
Forwyn
Member
Thu Jul 09 23:24:49
"Are they going to kick everyone out? Is the tribe going to start collecting taxes? Are the people born in Tulsa now officially Creek tribal members?"

Nah. Just a nice violation of Equal Protection. A card-carrying "Native" is exempt from state law, while his neighbor is not.
Y2A
Member
Thu Jul 09 23:32:13
owned
Y2A
Member
Thu Jul 09 23:33:54
Warren was right!
kargen
Member
Fri Jul 10 00:28:49
"A card-carrying "Native" is exempt from state law, while his neighbor is not."

The only difference is they will be tried in federal court instead of state court. Better and safer prisons at the federal level though so that is a bonus.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jul 10 01:50:20
You know, the best part of this ruling is that they actually sided with the law and made the federal government stand by its word.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Fri Jul 10 02:28:51
A child rapist!
Dakyron
Member
Fri Jul 10 11:18:18
"Nah. Just a nice violation of Equal Protection. A card-carrying "Native" is exempt from state law, while his neighbor is not. "

This is incorrect. A white person on native land is subject to native laws and courts, not state courts.

EVERY CONVICTION IN TULSA HISTORY is now essentially thrown out.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jul 10 12:26:50
I haven't seen anything relating to non-"Natives" yet. Would be interesting if so.

"The first is that going forward, certain major crimes committed within the boundaries of reservations must be prosecuted in federal court rather than state court, if a Native American is involved."

http://www...alf-of-oklahoma-is-indian-land
patom
Member
Fri Jul 10 12:56:10
Isn't there a large number of Cherokee Indians there also? Descendants of the Trail of Tears?
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jul 10 13:40:53
Cherokees are the largest tribe in Oklahoma, followed by Choctaw, Creek, Chickasaw, and Seminole.
kargen
Member
Fri Jul 10 14:55:20
Cherokee could be kind of tricky deciding who is actually a member of the tribe. When they were deciding the size of reservations the Cherokee were letting people purchase honorary tribal membership to boost their numbers resulting in more land and other stuff.
That is in part what has led a lot of people who have zero drops of native american blood in them to claim one of their grandparents or great grandparents was native american.
Dakyron
Member
Fri Jul 10 15:53:25
I guess I was wrong. It gets complicated with non-natives and reservation land.

"In 1978, the Supreme Court case Oliphant v. Suquamish stripped tribes of the right to arrest and prosecute non-Indians who commit crimes on Indian land. If both victim and perpetrator are non-Indian, a county or state officer must make the arrest. If the perpetrator is non-Indian and the victim an enrolled member, only a federally certified agent has that right. If the opposite is true, a tribal officer can make the arrest, but the case still goes to federal court. "
superdude
Member
Fri Jul 10 16:42:44
This ruling does explain why Elizabeth "Pocahontas" Warren think should can take everyone's money.
superdude
Member
Fri Jul 10 16:43:24
should=she
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