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Paramount
Member
Tue Jun 30 08:56:34
National security law: Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam demands international respect for the legislation as it is added to city’s Basic Law

Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor called on the international community on Tuesday to respect the national security law that Beijing had passed for the city, as the legislation was added to its mini-constitution, the Basic Law.

In a video message to the Human Rights Council of the United Nations, Lam said: “I urge the international community to respect our country’s right to safeguard national security, and Hong Kong people’s aspirations for stability and harmony.”

The legislation would only target an extremely small minority of people who had broken the law, while the basic rights and freedoms of the overwhelming majority of Hong Kong residents would be protected, the city’s chief executive said in a recorded message released during the 44th regulation session of the council.

Beijing’s top legislative body on Tuesday morning unanimously passed the sweeping law for Hong Kong prohibiting acts of secession, subversion, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces to endanger national security.

It is expected to carry a maximum penalty of life imprisonment and take effect later on Tuesday, the eve of the 23rd anniversary of the city’s handover to China from British rule.

The Post understands the National People’s Congress Standing Committee (NPCSC) also unanimously endorsed on Tuesday afternoon the addition of the legislation into Annex III of the Basic Law. In the early evening, state media reported President Xi Jinping had signed the legislation into law.

During Lam’s video message, she accused foreign governments and politicians who had raised objections to the legislation of double standards.

“All those countries which are pointing their fingers at China have their own national security legislation in place,” she said.

“We can think of no valid reason why China alone should be inhibited from enacting a national security legislation to protect every corner of its territory and all of its nation,” she said.
“I welcome this opportunity to state our position on the enactment of the legislation of national security law for HKSAR [Hong Kong Special Administrative Region].”

http://www...ty-law-passed-beijing-expected


Exactly so. You have got your own security laws and now Hong Kong has one too. You gotta respect that.
Rugian
Member
Tue Jun 30 09:10:55
If theres one politician on this planet who truly deserves to get the Ceausescu treatment, its Carrie Lam.

Hell, that comparison isnt even fair. Ceausescu at least didnt actively sell out his people and screw them over like Lam has.

Shes a communist Quisling. What a hateable piece of shit.
Habebe
Member
Wed Jul 01 14:02:02
So the cops have made the fire arrest of protesters and are charged with LIFE in prison.
Habebe
Member
Wed Jul 01 14:03:16
Also they can't speak English to the media.

Britain needs to do more
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Wed Jul 01 14:09:05
another defeat for the fascists and their minions?
if only Jiang Jieshi was around.
Paramount
Member
Thu Jul 02 01:49:19
So I read that the UK is going to give 3 million Chinese people from HK a british citizenship. Does that mean that 3 million Chinese are going to migrate to Britain? Three million, that’s a lot of people. England is going to get flooded with these refugees. What will the brits say about that? They left the EU because they wanted to close the border and stop migrants and refugees. But now, there might be coming 3 MILLIONS new people to Britian. Where are they going to live? Does Britian have 3 million houses where they can move into? How are they going to make a living? What jobs are they gonna take? Does Britian have 3 million jobs?
Paramount
Member
Thu Jul 02 01:54:18
The HK population is 7.5 million. So britain wants half of HK to move to Britain. What about the other half?
Habebe
Member
Thu Jul 02 02:13:18
Paramount, Hopefully they will immihrate to the US. That would be like the perfect immigrants.

They are anti communist , highly skilled comparably and would likely thrive in the US or the UK at least on the whole.

Why wouldnt we want more hongkongers?
Paramount
Member
Thu Jul 02 04:03:46
Maybe there will be hundreds or up to thousands of regime agents among those 3 million. What you gonna do about that lol? Gonna interrogate all 3 million of them before you grant them citizenship? lol
Paramount
Member
Thu Jul 02 04:09:54
And if you do that, it will only show that you distrust them, and they will then be hurt and not like you, and not feel welcome!
Habebe
Member
Thu Jul 02 04:29:59
Small % of spies may come through. Meh, totally worth the gain of millions of desirable immigrants.

And who better to help us find the commies than our new friends?

Hongkongers are like the perfect immigrants, even more desirable than Euros.
Paramount
Member
Thu Jul 02 08:55:33
Good then. But the UK is getting 3 million Hong Kongers. How many will the USA take? The remaining 4.5 million?
Habebe
Member
Thu Jul 02 12:16:54
Paramount, Unfortunately were restricting all immigrants, could be one of the benefits of Biden wins.
sam adams
Member
Thu Jul 02 12:52:18
Id take 4.5 million hong kongers so long as they can replace 4.5 million of sebs future criminals.

Thats an easy fucking choice
Habebe
Member
Thu Jul 02 15:43:32
http://www...-security-laws-pompeo-suggests


Pompeii has already suggested it.

As a general trait they are likely way more productive/creative than there mainland counterparts
Habebe
Member
Thu Jul 02 15:50:39
Pelosi's redeeming qualities. She has more balls than Biden.

http://www...-hong-kong-security-law-347060
Habebe
Member
Thu Jul 02 23:40:40
http://amp...ns-britain-and-australia-offer

OZ has also offered ease of citizenship and NZ has stepped up condemning China some how...idk skmed lazily.
Habebe
Member
Thu Jul 02 23:40:41
http://amp...ns-britain-and-australia-offer

OZ has also offered ease of citizenship and NZ has stepped up condemning China some how...idk skmed lazily.
Paramount
Member
Fri Jul 03 03:28:11
So if they empty Hong Kong of its population, then that is likely ethnic cleansing, and that is a war crime.
Paramount
Member
Fri Jul 03 03:30:58
Not that millions of Hong Kongers are gonna leave HK willingly for the UK. That won't happen. At the most maybe 100 people will move, the core of the separatist movement.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jul 03 03:47:28
Paramount, Well, they also havw the choice of Australia, The US and I think** Taiwan said they would help accommodate thpse whp wish to flee.

Honestly I feel like that would be ok with Beijing... Its not as if they are short on people.
jergul
large member
Fri Jul 03 05:32:15
China should definitely pull a Castro and use the generous offers as a chance to empty jails and mental institutions.

Mix it up a bit by first putting democracy fighters in jails and mental institutions.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jul 03 05:44:20
Jergul, Typical commie move. Wjen natioms try to actually be good global actors you wish to fuck them over, it should be goodnfor.both sides, China gets rid of its more rebellious folks and the five eyes nations and Taiwan etc. Get high end immigrants.

But now if they would release the ouighers from the concentration camps ... Yes, I would be cool accepting them also as immigrants.You know me, the only color I discriminate against is red.
jergul
large member
Fri Jul 03 05:54:30
Typical communist? Anyone would do it if they could.

Brain drains are not good for countries. It takes a long time for people to "repay" what they cost the state through taxes.

In Norway, a person does not become a net taxpayer until he or she is in their early 50s. And becomes a negative taxpayer again at 67.

You are cool with importing Muslim radicals?

Anyway, right now you are accepting 0 immigrants of any type (your immigration is about to furlough 2/3ds of its workforce). Perhaps wait until covid-19 passes.

Why would you not be cool with low end hongkongers to bring down the average a bit? People in jails and mental institutions are really being oppressed after all.

Is that not your worry? That people might go to jail if you don't accept them? Well, its even more freedom for those already in jail.

Be that good global actor :D
Habebe
Member
Fri Jul 03 19:23:39
Jergul. Im not saying jail for example should bar someone from immigration.

But let's be clear that your just trying to be a smug asshole and hope they send the free world the worst of the worst.

It also sounds like.your saying all ouighers are Islamic radicals.

"Low.end Hongkongers"
Habebe
Member
Fri Jul 03 19:28:42
So, those who are not in jail.are.considered " high end hongkongers"?

As for taxpayers owing the state, Hong Kong has been way more.of a financial asset than expense for China And its.only been a Chinese city for 23 years when they received it ad a gift with some strings, whichnin reality they broke the agreement.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jul 03 19:28:42
So, those who are not in jail.are.considered " high end hongkongers"?

As for taxpayers owing the state, Hong Kong has been way more.of a financial asset than expense for China And its.only been a Chinese city for 23 years when they received it ad a gift with some strings, whichnin reality they broke the agreement.
jergul
large member
Fri Jul 03 19:43:33
Why are republicans so fuzzy on ownership?

The UK had a 99 year lease on hong kong. The lease expired. Hong kong is Chinese.

You were the one who introduced the term "high end immigrants" As opposed to low end immigrants in jails and mental institutions.

Every person is a burden to society until they have paid taxes for a while. Its a key element of the brain drain. Hong kong, and by extention China is the one losing out on skilled workers leaving.

I am saying that if China allows for state sponsored muslim migration, it will dump the incurable radicals on you.

But feel free to enact all the refugee programmes you like. Just don't be too surprised on who turns up.

GL getting jail and mental institution records from china btw :D.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jul 03 20:11:07
First off HK was a British city long before the lease and the lease was made long before the PRC ever existed. Now I dont know of the PRC took on all of the responsibilities of the Qing or not, that may be the best case youd habe for said argument.

But if it really was Chinese territory why didn they just take the land woth no strings attached, why did they sign the hand over agreement?

"
Every person is a burden to society until they have paid taxes for a while. Its a key element of the brain drain. Hong kong, and by extention China is the one losing out on skilled workers leaving."

They are losing out on people that hate them so much that they are willing to.flee what they know as there home for a foreign land. It would like the Jewish scientists that the Nazis "lost", probably better off without having people who hate you around.

As for being a burden, China paid nothing to these people 25 years ago.

Maybe Im wrong but I doubt it, that HK has been a net financial benefit to Beijing, and now they would only be losing people that they are at odds with so much that these people would flee there home.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jul 03 20:11:08
First off HK was a British city long before the lease and the lease was made long before the PRC ever existed. Now I dont know of the PRC took on all of the responsibilities of the Qing or not, that may be the best case youd habe for said argument.

But if it really was Chinese territory why didn they just take the land woth no strings attached, why did they sign the hand over agreement?

"
Every person is a burden to society until they have paid taxes for a while. Its a key element of the brain drain. Hong kong, and by extention China is the one losing out on skilled workers leaving."

They are losing out on people that hate them so much that they are willing to.flee what they know as there home for a foreign land. It would like the Jewish scientists that the Nazis "lost", probably better off without having people who hate you around.

As for being a burden, China paid nothing to these people 25 years ago.

Maybe Im wrong but I doubt it, that HK has been a net financial benefit to Beijing, and now they would only be losing people that they are at odds with so much that these people would flee there home.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jul 03 20:13:37
also, this isn't primarily the US, Pompeii has mentioned it. But there are several related nactions such as Taiwan and other former British colonies that are the main actors.
jergul
large member
Fri Jul 03 20:18:26
I am not going to even try to untangle that.

Its fine that you are going to set up refugee programmes. You can take in whatever once you start accepting immigration again. Just don't expect mainland china's cooperation over it.

You will end up getting lots of odd stuff. But everyone deserves a new chance, so all is good.
Hrothgar
Member
Fri Jul 03 23:27:39
Why not just move Hong Kong in it's entirety? US has the land. US and UK could team up and build a 1 to 1 replica on the US West coast and move the whole city! Brilliant.
Habebe
Member
Sat Jul 04 00:03:46
Sounds good. Thu, I've lost interest.

Hrothgar, That would be cool though.
jergul
large member
Sat Jul 04 05:53:48
You could do the same thing with the Palestinians or Israelis and finally solve the ME crisis too!
Habebe
Member
Sat Jul 04 06:15:08
Well if you Euros did ypur job right we wpuldnt have a middle east crisis now would we? Not only did you drop the ball but them you pushed your problem off onto the ME.

Besides, I dont think that would work with Israel/Palestine. Land is sacred and lack of nearby ocean.
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