Utopia Talk / Politics / Gotcha: 11 invaders pay the price!

Allahuakbar Member	Fri Jan 17 02:06:49 You can't deny! http://usa...ran-missile-attack/4496310002/ 11 US troops treated for injuries after Iran missile attack Published 10:41 PM EST Jan 16, 2020 WASHINGTON – Several U.S service members were injured during Iran's missile assault on Al-Asad airbase in Iraq last week that houses U.S. troops and coalition forces. U.S. Central Command in the region said in a statement that "several were treated for concussion symptoms from the blast and are still being assessed." "At this time, eight individuals have been transported to Landstuhl, and three have been transported to Camp Arifjan," the statement said. President Donald Trump said in an address to the nation the morning following the attack that, "We suffered no casualties, all of our soldiers are safe, and only minimal damage was sustained at our military bases." The airstrike was retaliation for a U.S. drone strike days earlier that killed one of Tehran's most powerful officials, Qasem Soleimani. Defense One was the first to report on the injuries. "As a standard procedure, all personnel in the vicinity of a blast are screened for traumatic brain injury, and if deemed appropriate are transported to a higher level of care. In the days following the attack, out of an abundance of caution, some service members were transported from Al Asad Air Base, Iraq to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany, others were sent to Camp Arifjan, Kuwait, for follow-on screening," the statement continued. Top administration officials have stood by the assertion that the threat from Soleimani was imminent but have offered conflicting reasons of what that immediate threat exactly was, and have defended the intelligence that led them to that conclusion. Iran has indicated there would not be further military retaliation. “When deemed fit for duty, the service members are expected to return to Iraq following screening. The health and welfare of our personnel is a top priority and we will not discuss any individual’s medical status," the statement says. The extent of damage to the bases was not immediately clear after the attack, but early-warning defense systems gave U.S. forces advance knowledge that missiles had been launched, according to a U.S. official speaking to USA TODAY on the condition of anonymity.
smart dude Member	Fri Jan 17 02:08:40 "treated for concussion symptoms" What exactly is the treatment for concussion symptoms? Tylenol? Ooooohhhh, scary.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 02:49:38 Its treatment for stress disorders. The military is calling it something else for obvious reasons. They have been given MRs of course simply to preclude concussions.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 17 03:04:32 My god, treatment for stress disorder after that. This strengthens Jerguls case in more ways that you can imagine about Iranian deterrents. Soon the mere idea of an Iranian missile attack that can create loud noise will be enough for entire divisions to need psychological help. You saw from the Iranian reaction to QS assassination, Iran was like, we will kill EVEN MORE of our own people, just to show you we do not fear death or war. Meanwhile in camp Mangina...
smart dude Member	Fri Jan 17 03:08:49 Bunch of sensitive snowflakes. Hey I'll sign up to die for my country, but at the first sign of danger I'll shit my pants and run to a therapist. Meanwhile, at home: "Durrr, thank you for your service." Unbelievable.
smart dude Member	Fri Jan 17 03:12:06 Oh and by "die" I mean get free college education. And by "my country" I mean god knows what.
Dukhat Member	Fri Jan 17 09:27:49 There's a guy in my old WOW guild who spams MAGA shit into the discord. He's a Vet but so lazy and addicted to wow, he never attempted to get the free college. Such a sad fucking loser.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 09:33:30 "Such a sad fucking loser" says the member of a WoW guild?
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 09:37:11 Anyway, eleven wounded Imperial soldiers cannot be allowed to go unpunished. I suggest demanding that eleven Iranians involved in the missile launch be handed over to the US for public execution as punishment for this crime.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 17 09:40:13 I don’t get the connection between wow guilds (or any other group based activity) and being a loser. Most people are losers, plenty of gamers are not. You don’t have to spit on the entire gaming community to flame Dickface, you are using nukes when a dagger is enough.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 09:44:59 Ruggy Wounded is definitely not the word you were looking for. Distressed perhaps. A century ago it would have been malingering. And where is your sense of proportion? You would want to demand 110 Iranians minimum.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 09:48:46 Nim, Sounds like SOMEONE is a big WoW fan. Lol loser Jergul, Lol. Just for the record, I had initially written capturing and blinding 11,000 Iranians a la Basil II style, but thought that would be over the top.
kargen Member	Fri Jan 17 14:39:34 Troops were there at the request of Iraq so not invaders. Nice try sneaking that in though.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 14:57:50 Kargen Are you vampires? Permission to enter can never be revoked? Because Iraq has certainly revoked your permission to be there.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 15:08:03 Jergul, It was a non-binding resolution.
Forwyn Member	Fri Jan 17 15:12:54 US troops had more permission to be there than Soleimani on Jan 3.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 15:20:09 Its an executive decision for their PM. He has asked you to lay down mechanisms for leaving Iraq. You have refused. Only an occupier can refuse to prepare to withdraw from a country when requested to by the appropriate authority. But perhaps that point will become clearly the next time you are fragged by one of your partners in the coalition fighting ISIS. Boom, baby. You seem to understand that somewhat.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 15:20:48 Forwyn Soleimani was there for a meeting with their PM.
Forwyn Member	Fri Jan 17 15:25:14 Sure. And, aside from the weirdness of a head spook meeting to discuss deescalation (like Gina Haspel heading to Bolivia for its equivalent), that means both parties had invitations. But only one party had a UN-imposed travel ban.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 15:29:10 Ironically, its sort of does look like a 4d move. Telling Trump to do something seems the absolutely best way to get him to not do it. Iran actually does need US bases in its proximity. It loses a lot of leverage if you are not there. (and god knows how much of the money the US is spending in Iraq eventually ends up in Iran's economy). So on balance, it might be best to frame the US as occupiers without pushing the matter so far as to make the US actually withdraw in the short to medium term. Conditions might evolve where a comprehensive withdrawal from most of the region will be in play.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 15:34:09 Forwyn Its not at all strange. Its what Soleimani does and has done for decades. The UN thingy has a mechanism for resolving non-compliance. The travel ban is part of that thing you withdrew from. Also, lol@you citing UN resolutions.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 15:38:07 did, had done*
Forwyn Member	Fri Jan 17 15:46:04 Doesn't make it not strange. "What do you mean? Yeah, we have a Secretary of State, but we'd rather send General Howell. He's been doing it for a while." Also, lol@you ignoring UN resolutions.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 16:07:18 Forwyn http://en....y:United_States_Special_Envoys Not ignoring so much as being unsure of how to parse it. Iran has a responsibility to uphold it, but the mechanism for dealing with non-compliance is given in the 2015 deal. Iraq has a responsibility to uphold it by for example not inviting people with travel bans to meetings. But then you have all that supremacy of nation-states. Its hard to see how any UN resolution can bar a country from inviting whoever the hell it wants to on official business. The case would be clearer if Soleimani wanted to hang out on the beach at Basra for a vacation. But nm. You have never cared for technicalities like this.
Forwyn Member	Fri Jan 17 16:43:45 The case is actually far clearer than a Basra vacation. Again, the Haspel/Bolivia example is most clear. Virtually any country that he wasn't actively involved in furthering sectarian violence in would be more defensible. It's rather ludicrous utilize a Quds Commander for regional diplomacy while you Foreign Minister sits at home with his thumb up his ass. Or do you think Zarif would have had an equivalent chance of getting droned on the tarmac?
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 17:50:39 Forwyn Roving diplomacy is part of the Qud forces mission statement. It has done that always. He was in Iraq specifically to discuss measures to decrease sectarian violence. Any guest of the Iraqi State should have had an equal chance of getting droned on a service road. Going down the rabbit hole of what Trump might or might not do is something I would not advise anyone to ponder very much.
Forwyn Member	Fri Jan 17 18:37:59 "Roving diplomacy" rofl That should be included in the CIA mission statement, henceforth "Any guest of the Iraqi State should have had an equal chance of getting droned on a service road." That is both a lie, and retarded.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 19:16:05 Forwyn Find a better word then. Roving even has the nuance of illegitimacy (see its original meaning). It probably is in the CIA mission statement if you parse it properely. Quds forces is a hybrid organization. Comparable perhaps to a USMC Expeditionary force back in the days when you were airlifting in pallets of cash and trying to build up Iraqi civic and military governance after de-baathification. It was a normative statement. Concensus is that you do not assassinate high level officials at any time and particularly not when they are invited guests of the host State.
Forwyn Member	Fri Jan 17 19:28:40 "Quds forces is a hybrid organization." Indeed. That's why I used both Haspell(CIA) and Howell(JSOC). "Concensus is that you do not assassinate high level officials at any time and particularly not when they are invited guests of the host State." Consensus of who? High level officials? lol
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 19:30:31 If you do not know enough to understand what Soleimani was, then there is not point discussing it with you.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 19:45:33 Oh, sorry. I see what you meant. Uhm, yes, quite. They do have that concensus.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 24 12:11:11 BREAKING: Pentagon now says 34 U.S. service members have been diagnosed with traumatic brain injuries following the Jan. 8 Iranian missile attack on the Al Asad airbase in Iraq. http://t.co/4bGNlFlp4j
Allahuakbar Member	Wed Jan 29 11:53:20 Will it reach 100?^^ http://www...-brain-injuries-in-iran-strike Pentagon Now Says 50 Troops — Not 34 — Suffered Brain Injuries In Iran Strike January 29, 2020
Paramount Member	Wed Jan 29 12:09:45 Brain injuries? Wasn't it headaches?
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Mon Feb 10 14:02:27 http://www...attack-officials-idUSKBN2041ZK
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