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Paramount
Member Wed May 29 13:01:29
Check mate! China has won!!

USA shouldn’t have messed with China and Huawei. Now they will pay the price! No more rare earth minerals for the US and American companies.

Around 80% of the rare earths imported by the United States comes from China, according to US government data.

BWHAHAHAHA

That means no more phones, batteries and electronics. So how is the US gonna build missiles now? Hahaha

Game over.

- -

Are rare earth minerals China's trump card in its trade war with US?

China has been signalling that it may restrict the export of rare earth minerals to the United States as the trade conflict between the two countries escalates.

It is by far the largest producer of these raw materials, vital for many American industries including high-growth sectors such as electric car and wind turbine production.

Last year, the US Geological Survey designated these minerals critical to the economy and national defence.

"China is seriously considering restricting rare earth exports to the US," tweeted the editor of Chinese state-run Global Times this week.

China's dominance of rare earth mining

Yearly mine production (tonnes)

Source: US Geological Survey

In the refining of rare earth ores, China is even more dominant.

Last year, almost 90% of all the processing into usable oxides was done in China.

An Australian company operating in Malaysia produces almost all the rest.

Over the past five years, China's exports of rare earth oxides have almost doubled, according to official Chinese statistics.

How reliant on China is the US?

Around 80% of the rare earths imported by the United States comes from China, according to US government data.

Estonia, France and Japan also supply processed rare earths to the US, but the original ore comes from China.

The one rare earth mine operating in the United States sends its ore to China for processing - and already faces a 25% import tariff imposed by China.

There is an option for the US to import from Malaysia, but not in the quantities required.

Also, the Malaysian government has threatened to discontinue production because of environmental concerns.

Could the US start its own refining industry for rare earths?

It's certainly possible, but this would take time and the sources of ore could be limited if China were ruled out.

Until the 1980s, the US was in fact the largest producer of rare earths.

China has restricted exports of rare earths before.

In 2010, they did it against Japan, over a territorial dispute.

The restriction of exports to the United States, if enforced, could have a major impact on major US industries worth trillions of dollars that rely on rare earth minerals.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48366074

Paramount
Member Wed May 29 13:08:55
”Last year, the US Geological Survey designated these minerals critical to the economy and national defence. ”

LOL. Game over!

The Children
Member Wed May 29 14:55:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWfQnlIJ0uU

now, say my name.

kargen
Member Wed May 29 18:29:37
Going off on a tangent (because The Children posted a clip) I struggled through a season of Breaking Bad and after the 2nd episode of season two I was hoping the whole fucking town would be nuked and end their pitiful cliched lives.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed May 29 19:02:46
the cliche of a math teacher getting cancer & turning to dealing drugs w/ a former student as to be able to not leave his family destitute?

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed May 29 19:03:22
*chemistry teacher

Dukhat
Member Wed May 29 20:35:32
You know the rest of the world has plenty of rare earth metals right?

We don't mine it because it is horribly polluting.

http://www...ina-social-environmental-costs

"Processing rare earths is a dirty business. Their ore is often laced with radioactive materials such as thorium, and separating the wheat from the chaff requires huge amounts of carcinogenic toxins – sulphates, ammonia and hydrochloric acid. Processing one ton of rare earths produces 2,000 tons of toxic waste; Baotou's rare earths enterprises produce 10m tons of wastewater per year. They're pumped into tailings dams, like the one by Wang's village, 12km west of the city centre."

*********************************************

This trade war is good IMO. The Western World has been sending its pollution to China for decades now. Without China, we'd be forced to be more self-reliant and also come up with better technologies to stop destroying our planet.

kargen
Member Wed May 29 20:49:26
That is the overall plot. Everything that goes into that plot is cliche as hell. Oh who would have ever guessed his father-in-law is a drug enforcement agent. And no way to predict some rich kid turned to drug dealer would be his partner and wait guess what he was a student!
The whole damn thing just sucked balls.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed May 29 20:53:32
“And no way to predict some rich kid turned to drug dealer would be his partner and wait guess what he was a student! ”

Jesse wasn’t rich kid

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed May 29 21:41:28
"we'd be forced to be more self-reliant and also come up with better technologies to stop destroying our planet. "

or maybe we'd have an idiot fraud liar child President who mocks any notions of environmental protection and would happily turn the country into a polluted hellhole

McKobb
Member Wed May 29 22:47:09
Gotta get that ahit from somewhere. Africa?

Dukhat
Member Wed May 29 22:53:38
All the shitty stuff Trump has done, a lot of it can be undone by simply winning in 2020.

But the stuff he's done that would cost a lot of political capital normally like the tariffs can be kept in place. Why not? The idiot fucked over mostly red-staters with his dumbass tariffs. Democrats can just run with it and turn it into a carbon/pollution tariff instead and tell states that wouldn't vote for them anyways to go fuck themselves.

Wrath of Orion
Member Wed May 29 23:05:55
Well, this thread explains a lot about kargen.

obaminated
Member Wed May 29 23:15:49
"Jesse wasn’t rich kid"

his definitely didnt come from a modest family. was his younger brother in private school and had violin lessons? They were definitely upper middle class and jesse totally screwed up an otherwise successful life he couldve had if he just stayed away from the drugs.

kargen
Member Thu May 30 00:20:40
What, that I don't tolerate a shit show even if many others think it is the greatest thing ever?

Dukhat
Member Thu May 30 00:46:42
Your criticism of it is one-dimensional and nitpicking the plot point that is the most "cliche."

That's like saying Game of Thrones is derivative because it has dragons and knights and is for D&D nerds.

Breaking Bad is one of the best shows ever because of it's character development, cinematography, acting, and yes plot. The show often doesn't use a linear timeline either and builds tension.

It also layers stuff like psychology into the show too showing how different people react to stress and their relationships falling apart.

It's very realistic and involves the audience more.

Of course if you're being a douchebag conservative who wants everything to be straightfoward and stupid, you can probably just rewatch 24 and see the big strong white man save the world with very little other than constant cliffhangers and lots of violence.

jergul
large member Thu May 30 00:59:07
Kargen
The problem is concentration.

First because mining would only make sense under certain conditions (a lengthy and significant price increase that justifies investment in mining and refinement)

Second because Trump. We all know he will cut a deal with China that would undermine any mining and refining capacity within the next year.

So, yah.

Average Ameriacn
Member Thu May 30 03:43:18
Trump is still playing 4d chess and you foreigners just don't get it:

http://twi...ump/status/1128050996545036288

Under my Administration, we are restoring @NASA to greatness and we are going back to the Moon, then Mars. I am updating my budget to include an additional $1.6 billion so that we can return to Space in a BIG WAY!

Will will find the stuff that is rare on earth on the moon!

MAGA!

CrownRoyal
Member Thu May 30 07:23:24
"his definitely didnt come from a modest family. was his younger brother in private school and had violin lessons? "

Ah yes, the violin. I shudder, imagining the exorbitant costs of the music lessons in albuquerque, Mew Mexico. One can totally picture the discussions in mexitard's familia - "Yolanda, one day we will be able to afford to maybe hire a viloin tutor for our niños, and even send one of them to a private school! That day we will be rich, Yolanda!"

hood
Member Thu May 30 08:52:23
NASA's moon plans are hilarity inept. SLS is pointless, as is the lunar gateway, and the skinny gateway they call for in the landing, and none of it will be close to fly-ready by 2024. Trump isn't doing shit in space.

kargen
Member Thu May 30 10:23:16
jergul you are arguing with someone else this time. I only posted that Breaking Bad was so bad I gave up on it early in season two.

CrownRoyal reading the synopsis on characters Jesse is described as coming from an upper middle class family. The short bit I saw before I decided to quit wasting time watching it the writers made it a point to show the family as really well off.

Wrath of Orion
Member Thu May 30 10:23:40
Looks like someone is advertising lessons there for about $32 per hour.

CrownRoyal
Member Thu May 30 10:26:17
"The short bit I saw before I decided to quit wasting time watching it the writers made it a point to show the family as really well off."

what was that bit where the family is shown as really well off, I want to laugh at you. What episode? 1? 2? How many did you watch? Jesse's mom and dad almost had a stroke when he ruined their house sale with meth lab exposure.

The Children
Member Thu May 30 11:15:28
jesse was definitely not a poor family. his brother was a straight a student and his parents owned a house. he definitely a wigga wannabe.

nottin fancy though, 2 call him rich is overstatin it. he was hangin around with crackas and beanos and shit. no no no, he aint rich, he just middle income.

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Paramount Member	Wed May 29 13:01:29 Check mate! China has won!! USA shouldn’t have messed with China and Huawei. Now they will pay the price! No more rare earth minerals for the US and American companies. Around 80% of the rare earths imported by the United States comes from China, according to US government data. BWHAHAHAHA That means no more phones, batteries and electronics. So how is the US gonna build missiles now? Hahaha Game over. - - Are rare earth minerals China's trump card in its trade war with US? China has been signalling that it may restrict the export of rare earth minerals to the United States as the trade conflict between the two countries escalates. It is by far the largest producer of these raw materials, vital for many American industries including high-growth sectors such as electric car and wind turbine production. Last year, the US Geological Survey designated these minerals critical to the economy and national defence. "China is seriously considering restricting rare earth exports to the US," tweeted the editor of Chinese state-run Global Times this week. China's dominance of rare earth mining Yearly mine production (tonnes) Source: US Geological Survey In the refining of rare earth ores, China is even more dominant. Last year, almost 90% of all the processing into usable oxides was done in China. An Australian company operating in Malaysia produces almost all the rest. Over the past five years, China's exports of rare earth oxides have almost doubled, according to official Chinese statistics. How reliant on China is the US? Around 80% of the rare earths imported by the United States comes from China, according to US government data. Estonia, France and Japan also supply processed rare earths to the US, but the original ore comes from China. The one rare earth mine operating in the United States sends its ore to China for processing - and already faces a 25% import tariff imposed by China. There is an option for the US to import from Malaysia, but not in the quantities required. Also, the Malaysian government has threatened to discontinue production because of environmental concerns. Could the US start its own refining industry for rare earths? It's certainly possible, but this would take time and the sources of ore could be limited if China were ruled out. Until the 1980s, the US was in fact the largest producer of rare earths. China has restricted exports of rare earths before. In 2010, they did it against Japan, over a territorial dispute. The restriction of exports to the United States, if enforced, could have a major impact on major US industries worth trillions of dollars that rely on rare earth minerals. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48366074
Paramount Member	Wed May 29 13:08:55 ”Last year, the US Geological Survey designated these minerals critical to the economy and national defence. ” LOL. Game over!
The Children Member	Wed May 29 14:55:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWfQnlIJ0uU now, say my name.
kargen Member	Wed May 29 18:29:37 Going off on a tangent (because The Children posted a clip) I struggled through a season of Breaking Bad and after the 2nd episode of season two I was hoping the whole fucking town would be nuked and end their pitiful cliched lives.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 29 19:02:46 the cliche of a math teacher getting cancer & turning to dealing drugs w/ a former student as to be able to not leave his family destitute?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 29 19:03:22 *chemistry teacher
Dukhat Member	Wed May 29 20:35:32 You know the rest of the world has plenty of rare earth metals right? We don't mine it because it is horribly polluting. http://www...ina-social-environmental-costs "Processing rare earths is a dirty business. Their ore is often laced with radioactive materials such as thorium, and separating the wheat from the chaff requires huge amounts of carcinogenic toxins – sulphates, ammonia and hydrochloric acid. Processing one ton of rare earths produces 2,000 tons of toxic waste; Baotou's rare earths enterprises produce 10m tons of wastewater per year. They're pumped into tailings dams, like the one by Wang's village, 12km west of the city centre." ********************************************* This trade war is good IMO. The Western World has been sending its pollution to China for decades now. Without China, we'd be forced to be more self-reliant and also come up with better technologies to stop destroying our planet.
kargen Member	Wed May 29 20:49:26 That is the overall plot. Everything that goes into that plot is cliche as hell. Oh who would have ever guessed his father-in-law is a drug enforcement agent. And no way to predict some rich kid turned to drug dealer would be his partner and wait guess what he was a student! The whole damn thing just sucked balls.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed May 29 20:53:32 “And no way to predict some rich kid turned to drug dealer would be his partner and wait guess what he was a student! ” Jesse wasn’t rich kid
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 29 21:41:28 "we'd be forced to be more self-reliant and also come up with better technologies to stop destroying our planet. " or maybe we'd have an idiot fraud liar child President who mocks any notions of environmental protection and would happily turn the country into a polluted hellhole
McKobb Member	Wed May 29 22:47:09 Gotta get that ahit from somewhere. Africa?
Dukhat Member	Wed May 29 22:53:38 All the shitty stuff Trump has done, a lot of it can be undone by simply winning in 2020. But the stuff he's done that would cost a lot of political capital normally like the tariffs can be kept in place. Why not? The idiot fucked over mostly red-staters with his dumbass tariffs. Democrats can just run with it and turn it into a carbon/pollution tariff instead and tell states that wouldn't vote for them anyways to go fuck themselves.
Wrath of Orion Member	Wed May 29 23:05:55 Well, this thread explains a lot about kargen.
obaminated Member	Wed May 29 23:15:49 "Jesse wasn’t rich kid" his definitely didnt come from a modest family. was his younger brother in private school and had violin lessons? They were definitely upper middle class and jesse totally screwed up an otherwise successful life he couldve had if he just stayed away from the drugs.
kargen Member	Thu May 30 00:20:40 What, that I don't tolerate a shit show even if many others think it is the greatest thing ever?
Dukhat Member	Thu May 30 00:46:42 Your criticism of it is one-dimensional and nitpicking the plot point that is the most "cliche." That's like saying Game of Thrones is derivative because it has dragons and knights and is for D&D nerds. Breaking Bad is one of the best shows ever because of it's character development, cinematography, acting, and yes plot. The show often doesn't use a linear timeline either and builds tension. It also layers stuff like psychology into the show too showing how different people react to stress and their relationships falling apart. It's very realistic and involves the audience more. Of course if you're being a douchebag conservative who wants everything to be straightfoward and stupid, you can probably just rewatch 24 and see the big strong white man save the world with very little other than constant cliffhangers and lots of violence.
jergul large member	Thu May 30 00:59:07 Kargen The problem is concentration. First because mining would only make sense under certain conditions (a lengthy and significant price increase that justifies investment in mining and refinement) Second because Trump. We all know he will cut a deal with China that would undermine any mining and refining capacity within the next year. So, yah.
Average Ameriacn Member	Thu May 30 03:43:18 Trump is still playing 4d chess and you foreigners just don't get it: http://twi...ump/status/1128050996545036288 Under my Administration, we are restoring @NASA to greatness and we are going back to the Moon, then Mars. I am updating my budget to include an additional $1.6 billion so that we can return to Space in a BIG WAY! Will will find the stuff that is rare on earth on the moon! MAGA!
CrownRoyal Member	Thu May 30 07:23:24 "his definitely didnt come from a modest family. was his younger brother in private school and had violin lessons? " Ah yes, the violin. I shudder, imagining the exorbitant costs of the music lessons in albuquerque, Mew Mexico. One can totally picture the discussions in mexitard's familia - "Yolanda, one day we will be able to afford to maybe hire a viloin tutor for our niños, and even send one of them to a private school! That day we will be rich, Yolanda!"
hood Member	Thu May 30 08:52:23 NASA's moon plans are hilarity inept. SLS is pointless, as is the lunar gateway, and the skinny gateway they call for in the landing, and none of it will be close to fly-ready by 2024. Trump isn't doing shit in space.
kargen Member	Thu May 30 10:23:16 jergul you are arguing with someone else this time. I only posted that Breaking Bad was so bad I gave up on it early in season two. CrownRoyal reading the synopsis on characters Jesse is described as coming from an upper middle class family. The short bit I saw before I decided to quit wasting time watching it the writers made it a point to show the family as really well off.
Wrath of Orion Member	Thu May 30 10:23:40 Looks like someone is advertising lessons there for about $32 per hour.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu May 30 10:26:17 "The short bit I saw before I decided to quit wasting time watching it the writers made it a point to show the family as really well off." what was that bit where the family is shown as really well off, I want to laugh at you. What episode? 1? 2? How many did you watch? Jesse's mom and dad almost had a stroke when he ruined their house sale with meth lab exposure.
The Children Member	Thu May 30 11:15:28 jesse was definitely not a poor family. his brother was a straight a student and his parents owned a house. he definitely a wigga wannabe. nottin fancy though, 2 call him rich is overstatin it. he was hangin around with crackas and beanos and shit. no no no, he aint rich, he just middle income.
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