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Rugian
rank Sun Sep 09 19:23:08 2018
I'm sure the timing of this is purely coincidentel.

Also...first they came for Alex Jones, and I said nothing because I didn't like Alex...

http://www...=amp&utm_medium=comment_header

Rugian
rank Sun Sep 09 19:26:09 2018
Comment from that thread:

"It looks like the West (and western companies) are going to regulate what people see on the internet much the same way China does. What a horrible development, and the media are mostly cheering this sort of stuff on in the name of fighting 'fake news'."

Indeed.

No One
rank Sun Sep 09 19:47:17 2018
I hate when terrorists get their channels shut down.

Forwyn
rank Sun Sep 09 19:56:57 2018
I hate when the people fighting terrorists get their channels shut down.

Forwyn
rank Sun Sep 09 19:58:30 2018
Be watching for a White Helmet false flag soon, followed by US/French saber rattling.

More censorship from mega-corps, this time perhaps in tandem with US gov. Stick to pro-regime change news.

Rugian
rank Sun Sep 09 20:14:46 2018
Any news that doesn't originate from either the Pentagon or the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights doesn't need to be seen by the general public. Don't worry everyone, this is just to protect you all from fake news.

Allahuakbar
rank Sun Sep 09 20:26:13 2018
It's only fair, they censor the videos of the freedom fighters, too.

smart dude
rank Sun Sep 09 22:14:25 2018
I hate when private companies do shit I don't fucking care about.

jergul
rank Sun Sep 09 22:24:42 2018
I am frankly surprised it did not happen long ago.

The Syrian regime has no right to expect companies to serve as its soapbox.

To the rest of us: Beware of manufactured consent.

swordtail
rank Mon Sep 10 03:24:26 2018
US Says Assad Has Approved Gas Attack In Idlib, Setting Stage For Major Military Conflict

At this point there's not even so much as feigning surprise or suspense in the now sadly all-too-familiar Syria script out of Washington.

The Wall Street Journal has just published a bombshell on Sunday evening as Russian and Syrian warplanes continue bombing raids over al-Qaeda held Idlib, citing unnamed US officials who claim "President Bashar al-Assad of Syria has approved the use of chlorine gas in an offensive against the country’s last major rebel stronghold."

And perhaps more alarming is that the report details that Trump is undecided over whether new retaliatory strikes could entail expanding the attack to hit Assad allies Russia and Iran this time around.

http://www...-stage-major-military-conflict

hood
rank Mon Sep 10 03:45:34 2018
WWIII on Trump's watch!!!!

Hot Rod
rank Mon Sep 10 04:32:48 2018

It started under Obama's watch just like the current economy belongs to him.

Right?

obaminated
rank Mon Sep 10 06:20:34 2018
And so free speech is quietly dwindled by tech giants.

smart dude
rank Mon Sep 10 06:30:39 2018
You do realize that these "free speech" platforms wouldn't even exist if they weren't created by these tech giants? Make your own company and run it however you want. No one is stopping you.

Rugian
rank Mon Sep 10 09:50:48 2018
For someone who claims not to care at all about this matter, you sure have a lot to say.

But fine. If you think it should be acceptable behavior for 3-4 companies to effectively control the flow of news to hundreds of millions of people and determine what they can and cannot see, that's your position.

Rugian
rank Mon Sep 10 09:52:21 2018
Not to mention that in arbitrarily deleting these (both pro- and anti-government) channels, Youtube is almost certainly depriving the world of a treasure trove of videos with significant historical value.

But sure. "Trump won so now we have to censor the internet" is more important.

No One
rank Mon Sep 10 13:04:32 2018
But youtube is the enemy and this is only happening because of Trump;

http://nca...of-the-internet-and-censorship

I think your focus an anger is displaced. But sure, blame a private company...

No One
rank Mon Sep 10 13:06:32 2018
Damn YT's TOS they are eeeeevil

"YouTube reserves the right to decide whether Content violates these Terms of Service for reasons other than copyright infringement, such as, but not limited to, pornography, obscenity, or excessive length. YouTube may at any time, without prior notice and in its sole discretion, remove such Content and/or terminate a user's account for submitting such material in violation of these Terms of Service", "YouTube will remove all Content if properly notified that such Content infringes on another's intellectual property rights", and "YouTube reserves the right to remove Content without prior notice."

No One
rank Mon Sep 10 13:13:08 2018
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Syria

But tweedled dick OP is upset because of YouTube.

No One
rank Mon Sep 10 13:16:49 2018
Such a travesty to free speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUY3Huyaigc

Rugian
rank Mon Sep 10 14:09:11 2018
OMG, are you telling me that internet censorship actually did exist before Trump got elected? Get out of town, you!

Also, nice of you to imply that social media companies should operate on the same ethical guidelines as a Third World dictatorship. Oh Wlaschiha, never change you.

hood
rank Mon Sep 10 14:15:35 2018
"Not to mention that in arbitrarily deleting these (both pro- and anti-government) channels, Youtube is almost certainly depriving the world of a treasure trove of videos with significant historical value."

Good to see you're just parroting Reddit posts back to up. Let me parrot one back:

Just because the videos aren't visible to you doesn't mean the data is forever gone. They are almost undoubtedly sitting on a Google server somewhere, hidden from public. "Deleted," pft.

No One
rank Mon Sep 10 14:24:24 2018
Yes it actually did Rugian. I'm sorry it's such a surprise to you. It was to help you, remember: 'because of trump internet must be censored'

You are the OP whining at the moment

CrownRoyal
rank Mon Sep 10 15:24:38 2018
Enforce anti trust laws, break up tech behemoths, Google, FB, etc, get some competition going. Or alernatively, declare them public utilities, pass new Fairness Doctrine and enjoy your syrian videos or whatever else as long as they meet public standards

murder
rank Mon Sep 10 16:53:21 2018

What exactly are you going to "break up". These companies are a bunch of servers, none of which anyone is required to use. They're not keeping the video off the internet, just off their service.

CrownRoyal
rank Mon Sep 10 17:06:37 2018
force FB to sell Instagram and WhatsApp for starters, there are your competing platforms.

CrownRoyal
rank Mon Sep 10 17:08:01 2018
http://www...on-google-amazon-uber-facebook

CrownRoyal
rank Mon Sep 10 17:08:45 2018
and don't limit antitrust regs to just tech industry

Forwyn
rank Mon Sep 10 18:14:15 2018
"What exactly are you going to "break up"."

YT was purchased by Google for $1.6 billion, I hardly think it's an integral part of a search engine.

hood
rank Mon Sep 10 19:28:50 2018
It should be noted that YouTube without Google isa big money loser. That is, if it ever became profitable.

murder
rank Mon Sep 10 20:09:58 2018

"force FB to sell Instagram and WhatsApp for starters, there are your competing platforms."

WhatsApp is not a competitor for FB. They don't offer similar services. Google and Youtube wouldn't compete either.

But again, wtf are you breaking up? There's nothing to break. There's nothing keeping competitors from supplanting Google or Facebook or Youtube or Twitter from one year to the next as it is.

These companies don't own or control the infrastructure. They aren't like Ma Bell, or your cable company, or your electric company. There's literally nothing stopping everyone from simply moving to a different service if they're not happy.

murder
rank Mon Sep 10 20:14:54 2018

"YT was purchased by Google for $1.6 billion, I hardly think it's an integral part of a search engine."

It's not, but that purchase doesn't force anyone to use Youtube or Google.

And all these criticisms ignore that these are publicly traded companies. Buy up their stock, replace the board, replace the CEO, problem solved.

Nimatzo
rank Tue Sep 11 10:38:00 2018
I think this is an unfortunate side effect of the inflation of information which has lead to a huge drop in the economic value of information. Music, movies, news, communication all these things cost anything from far less to a fraction of their prices or simply for free. To make money with these business models means google and facebook (or others in this space) have to have access to and control of a scary amount of information. This ”everything should be free” and ad financed (in a world of ad blockers) may be terrible in the long term.

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Rugian rank	Sun Sep 09 19:23:08 2018 I'm sure the timing of this is purely coincidentel. Also...first they came for Alex Jones, and I said nothing because I didn't like Alex... http://www...=amp&utm_medium=comment_header
Rugian rank	Sun Sep 09 19:26:09 2018 Comment from that thread: "It looks like the West (and western companies) are going to regulate what people see on the internet much the same way China does. What a horrible development, and the media are mostly cheering this sort of stuff on in the name of fighting 'fake news'." Indeed.
No One rank	Sun Sep 09 19:47:17 2018 I hate when terrorists get their channels shut down.
Forwyn rank	Sun Sep 09 19:56:57 2018 I hate when the people fighting terrorists get their channels shut down.
Forwyn rank	Sun Sep 09 19:58:30 2018 Be watching for a White Helmet false flag soon, followed by US/French saber rattling. More censorship from mega-corps, this time perhaps in tandem with US gov. Stick to pro-regime change news.
Rugian rank	Sun Sep 09 20:14:46 2018 Any news that doesn't originate from either the Pentagon or the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights doesn't need to be seen by the general public. Don't worry everyone, this is just to protect you all from fake news.
Allahuakbar rank	Sun Sep 09 20:26:13 2018 It's only fair, they censor the videos of the freedom fighters, too.
smart dude rank	Sun Sep 09 22:14:25 2018 I hate when private companies do shit I don't fucking care about.
jergul rank	Sun Sep 09 22:24:42 2018 I am frankly surprised it did not happen long ago. The Syrian regime has no right to expect companies to serve as its soapbox. To the rest of us: Beware of manufactured consent.
swordtail rank	Mon Sep 10 03:24:26 2018 US Says Assad Has Approved Gas Attack In Idlib, Setting Stage For Major Military Conflict At this point there's not even so much as feigning surprise or suspense in the now sadly all-too-familiar Syria script out of Washington. The Wall Street Journal has just published a bombshell on Sunday evening as Russian and Syrian warplanes continue bombing raids over al-Qaeda held Idlib, citing unnamed US officials who claim "President Bashar al-Assad of Syria has approved the use of chlorine gas in an offensive against the country’s last major rebel stronghold." And perhaps more alarming is that the report details that Trump is undecided over whether new retaliatory strikes could entail expanding the attack to hit Assad allies Russia and Iran this time around. http://www...-stage-major-military-conflict
hood rank	Mon Sep 10 03:45:34 2018 WWIII on Trump's watch!!!!
Hot Rod rank	Mon Sep 10 04:32:48 2018 It started under Obama's watch just like the current economy belongs to him. Right?
obaminated rank	Mon Sep 10 06:20:34 2018 And so free speech is quietly dwindled by tech giants.
smart dude rank	Mon Sep 10 06:30:39 2018 You do realize that these "free speech" platforms wouldn't even exist if they weren't created by these tech giants? Make your own company and run it however you want. No one is stopping you.
Rugian rank	Mon Sep 10 09:50:48 2018 For someone who claims not to care at all about this matter, you sure have a lot to say. But fine. If you think it should be acceptable behavior for 3-4 companies to effectively control the flow of news to hundreds of millions of people and determine what they can and cannot see, that's your position.
Rugian rank	Mon Sep 10 09:52:21 2018 Not to mention that in arbitrarily deleting these (both pro- and anti-government) channels, Youtube is almost certainly depriving the world of a treasure trove of videos with significant historical value. But sure. "Trump won so now we have to censor the internet" is more important.
No One rank	Mon Sep 10 13:04:32 2018 But youtube is the enemy and this is only happening because of Trump; http://nca...of-the-internet-and-censorship I think your focus an anger is displaced. But sure, blame a private company...
No One rank	Mon Sep 10 13:06:32 2018 Damn YT's TOS they are eeeeevil "YouTube reserves the right to decide whether Content violates these Terms of Service for reasons other than copyright infringement, such as, but not limited to, pornography, obscenity, or excessive length. YouTube may at any time, without prior notice and in its sole discretion, remove such Content and/or terminate a user's account for submitting such material in violation of these Terms of Service", "YouTube will remove all Content if properly notified that such Content infringes on another's intellectual property rights", and "YouTube reserves the right to remove Content without prior notice."
No One rank	Mon Sep 10 13:13:08 2018 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Syria But tweedled dick OP is upset because of YouTube.
No One rank	Mon Sep 10 13:16:49 2018 Such a travesty to free speech http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUY3Huyaigc
Rugian rank	Mon Sep 10 14:09:11 2018 OMG, are you telling me that internet censorship actually did exist before Trump got elected? Get out of town, you! Also, nice of you to imply that social media companies should operate on the same ethical guidelines as a Third World dictatorship. Oh Wlaschiha, never change you.
hood rank	Mon Sep 10 14:15:35 2018 "Not to mention that in arbitrarily deleting these (both pro- and anti-government) channels, Youtube is almost certainly depriving the world of a treasure trove of videos with significant historical value." Good to see you're just parroting Reddit posts back to up. Let me parrot one back: Just because the videos aren't visible to you doesn't mean the data is forever gone. They are almost undoubtedly sitting on a Google server somewhere, hidden from public. "Deleted," pft.
No One rank	Mon Sep 10 14:24:24 2018 Yes it actually did Rugian. I'm sorry it's such a surprise to you. It was to help you, remember: 'because of trump internet must be censored' You are the OP whining at the moment
CrownRoyal rank	Mon Sep 10 15:24:38 2018 Enforce anti trust laws, break up tech behemoths, Google, FB, etc, get some competition going. Or alernatively, declare them public utilities, pass new Fairness Doctrine and enjoy your syrian videos or whatever else as long as they meet public standards
murder rank	Mon Sep 10 16:53:21 2018 What exactly are you going to "break up". These companies are a bunch of servers, none of which anyone is required to use. They're not keeping the video off the internet, just off their service.
CrownRoyal rank	Mon Sep 10 17:06:37 2018 force FB to sell Instagram and WhatsApp for starters, there are your competing platforms.
CrownRoyal rank	Mon Sep 10 17:08:01 2018 http://www...on-google-amazon-uber-facebook
CrownRoyal rank	Mon Sep 10 17:08:45 2018 and don't limit antitrust regs to just tech industry
Forwyn rank	Mon Sep 10 18:14:15 2018 "What exactly are you going to "break up"." YT was purchased by Google for $1.6 billion, I hardly think it's an integral part of a search engine.
hood rank	Mon Sep 10 19:28:50 2018 It should be noted that YouTube without Google isa big money loser. That is, if it ever became profitable.
murder rank	Mon Sep 10 20:09:58 2018 "force FB to sell Instagram and WhatsApp for starters, there are your competing platforms." WhatsApp is not a competitor for FB. They don't offer similar services. Google and Youtube wouldn't compete either. But again, wtf are you breaking up? There's nothing to break. There's nothing keeping competitors from supplanting Google or Facebook or Youtube or Twitter from one year to the next as it is. These companies don't own or control the infrastructure. They aren't like Ma Bell, or your cable company, or your electric company. There's literally nothing stopping everyone from simply moving to a different service if they're not happy.
murder rank	Mon Sep 10 20:14:54 2018 "YT was purchased by Google for $1.6 billion, I hardly think it's an integral part of a search engine." It's not, but that purchase doesn't force anyone to use Youtube or Google. And all these criticisms ignore that these are publicly traded companies. Buy up their stock, replace the board, replace the CEO, problem solved.
Nimatzo rank	Tue Sep 11 10:38:00 2018 I think this is an unfortunate side effect of the inflation of information which has lead to a huge drop in the economic value of information. Music, movies, news, communication all these things cost anything from far less to a fraction of their prices or simply for free. To make money with these business models means google and facebook (or others in this space) have to have access to and control of a scary amount of information. This ”everything should be free” and ad financed (in a world of ad blockers) may be terrible in the long term.
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