Utopia Talk / Politics / Las Vegas hotel sues victims of massacre

Paramount Member	Wed Jul 18 11:02:06 Las Vegas shooting: Mandalay Bay hotel owner sues 1,000 victims The owner of the Mandalay Bay hotel in Las Vegas has filed a lawsuit against more than 1,000 victims of a mass shooting that killed 58 people in 2017. The MGM Resorts International's lawsuit does not seek money and appears to be a judicial bid to avoid liability and dismiss claims against it. A lawyer for several victims called the lawsuit "outrageous" and "verging on unethical", according to US reports. Stephen Paddock, 64, opened fire on festival-goers before killing himself. Paddock had set up a firing point with 23 weapons in the Mandalay Bay overlooking the Route 91 Harvest festival, also owned by MGM, on 1 October last year. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44859238 Who would do such thing? Who owns that shit? Trump?
Pillz Member	Wed Jul 18 11:15:17 Hotel doesn't deserve to be sued either.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Jul 18 11:15:42 lawyers don’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear
Forwyn Member	Wed Jul 18 13:16:24 As the victims will try to cash grab the casino, the venue, the city, and anyone else they feel they can hit, not a bad move.
murder Member	Wed Jul 18 16:50:32 "Hotel doesn't deserve to be sued either." Right, because all they did was allow a mass murderer to enter the premises with a massive arsenal and enough ammo to menace an entire stadium full of people. Hell, they probably helped him carry it to his room.
hood Member	Wed Jul 18 17:20:49 Next thing you know, murder will be suggesting hotels go full retard and start searching luggage and xraying everyone who enters their building.
Forwyn Member	Wed Jul 18 17:21:01 Hurrrrrrrr it's impossible to break down rifles to fit in suitcases! We need a federal agency the HSA to scan all incoming bags!
murder Member	Wed Jul 18 17:36:40 If someone slips and falls on your property, you're responsible. If someone barricades themselves in a room that you rented him and sets up a snipers nest with dozens of firearms and ~ 6000 rounds of ammunition and murders a bunch of people ... you better believe that you're responsible. I hope they get sued into oblivion. If that fails, there's always other means of achieving the same.
kargen Member	Wed Jul 18 21:07:39 Slip and fall one is correct, but in many cases shouldn't be. The other there is no precedent one way or the other. I hope common sense prevails and they are not held liable. If they are held liable you can pretty much bet having all your luggage searched at check-in will become a thing. Our society is way to litigious.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Jul 18 21:11:28 "Hotel doesn't deserve to be sued either." deserve has nothing to do with it, my boy. You get sued and you win, or you lose, in that litigious place south of the border, this is a regular state of affairs. And btw, there is nothing illogical about this litigiousness. If you got wronged, if you suffer a loss of income, a loss of future income, what do you do? It is, either society gets a compact where you'll be taken care of, or you get yours through the lawsuits. Guarantors of justice in capitalist society.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Jul 18 21:14:44 I didn't see kargen's post while typing mine, but it is funny that we both used litigious
Forwyn Member	Wed Jul 18 21:23:13 "If someone slips and falls on your property, you're responsible." Not entirely true, of course. There are a multitude of factors involved for determining liability in such a case. http://www...dents-proving-fault-29845.html Likewise, a judge/jury would examine the case and determine if it was reasonable for the hotel to fail to ascertain that one of their hundreds of guests was smuggling in weaponry. Most people would say yes. The MGM is a massive hotel in a a crowded city of transients.
Dukhat Member	Thu Jul 19 01:59:36 Ah the best way to finally beat the gun lobby is to make big companies liable. Not exactly fair but I'll take it if it ends the fucking madness. Tired of dumb white guys pretending like nothing will work.
Paramount Member	Thu Jul 19 02:24:42 ”Next thing you know, murder will be suggesting hotels go full retard and start searching luggage and xraying everyone who enters their building.” If airports can do it, why not hotels also? Do you want the terrorists to win?
Forwyn Member	Thu Jul 19 02:51:09 "Tired of dumb white guys pretending like nothing will work." Tired of dumb defeatist Asian cucks suggesting that private businesses self-deploy a police state to prevent statistically irrelevant crimes.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Jul 19 04:43:27 I heard or read somewhere since this lawsuit came about is that a federal law was passed right after 9/11 that would protect the hotel in this case. It may have been passed to protect airlines or whatever but my source claimed it protects the hotel in this case. And no. I do not remember the source.
murder Member	Thu Jul 19 09:32:50 "Our society is way to litigious." You realize that this wasn't a shoving match, right? It wasn't a punch in the face. No one got a drink thrown on them.
murder Member	Thu Jul 19 09:36:35 "I heard or read somewhere since this lawsuit came about is that a federal law was passed right after 9/11 that would protect the hotel in this case." Which would prove yet again that the wealthy own this country and pass laws to protect themselves.
Dukhat Member	Thu Jul 19 20:35:24 "Tired of dumb defeatist Asian cucks suggesting that private businesses self-deploy a police state to prevent statistically irrelevant crimes." LoL, some gun regulations is a "police state." Kill yourself you dumb fuck. Natural selection needs to speed itself up.
Forwyn Member	Thu Jul 19 21:47:30 "Ah the best way to finally beat the gun lobby is to make big companies liable." This isn't "some gun regulations", Cuckhat. You're arguing private businesses be held liable simply because a patron committed a crime on their property, undoubtedly defying "No Weapons" signage. You're arguing that businesses do what governments have failed to do: prevent isolated crime. From a very general point of view, you may simply support "some gun regulations", but that's not what you said here. I know it's difficult, but try not to be so retarded.
Forwyn Member	Thu Jul 19 21:49:53 And to do what you imply, yes, hotels would need armed guards, metal detectors, pat-downs, dogs to sniff out chemicals and explosives. i.e. "We need a federal agency the HSA to scan all incoming bags!" and "private businesses self-deploy a police state" Retard.
murder Member	Fri Jul 20 07:18:14 "And to do what you imply, yes, hotels would need armed guards, metal detectors, pat-downs, dogs to sniff out chemicals and explosives." They'd be almost as safe as public schools with their armed guards, metal detectors, and armed teachers.
Forwyn Member	Fri Jul 20 10:07:43 I'm relatively certain that metal detectors are rare outside of shithole cities.
murder Member	Fri Jul 20 14:15:42 Most of the school shootings don't occur in shithole cities.
Forwyn Member	Fri Jul 20 14:21:05 Most of the high-profile mass murders, you mean. Plenty of small fights, gang incidents, etc, that never make the news. Clearly enough for them to install metal detectors in the first place. On the other end of the spectrum, I doubt gun violence in hotels has ever been more than a statistical blip caused by one incident.
jergul large member	Fri Jul 20 14:21:50 The hotel should protect itself though corporate structuring that limits liability to assets held by a limited asset company. Though, yah. The hotel is likely liable. Not that guns were in the room, but for factors impacting on security forces reaction times.
Forwyn Member	Fri Jul 20 14:33:51 Security officer was shot and assisted police in locating the room. Delayed police response is a PD issue.
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