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Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Jul 16 10:11:48 About 20 minutes ago, so they should be starting the press conference before long. The Finnish authorities ejected a journalist that intended to hold up a sign. The secondary people were just seated so the start is imminent. Here we go.
Daemon Member	Mon Jul 16 10:13:59 Will they announce the Trump-Putin pact?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Jul 16 10:14:44 Putin has a ploy of arriving late in order to show a sign of strength. Trump waited in his hotel room until after Putin had already arrived.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jul 16 10:15:32 It's time, for the main event of the evening!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 10:52:09 JESUS CHRIST he just got the question do you believe all of our intel agencies or Putin... his response: 'where is the server... where is the server... in any case, all i can do is ask the question... i have confidence in both parties. I don't think it can go on until we find the server.' FUCK THIS TRAITOR
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 10:53:43 ...i was typing as he spoke, i am certain there will be a full exact quote available soon of this total bullshit impeachment hearings should start now
Paramount Member	Mon Jul 16 10:55:15 Putin denies involvement in the hacking stuff. So now Israel remains. They haven’t denied it.
Paramount Member	Mon Jul 16 10:57:55 ”The Finnish authorities ejected a journalist that intended to hold up a sign.” It was a liberal reporter from The Nation. Apparantly, US secret service spoke to him, and then they had finish security to grab him and throw him out. My guess is that Trump told his forces to kick every liberal American out from the conference.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 10:58:00 Anderson Cooper opens by calling it the most disgraceful performance by a President... get this asshole!!! there's no bias in the journalism, this is fact
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 11:07:13 good luck Fox News in spinning this performance
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 11:10:58 "Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of “high crimes & misdemeanors.” It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???" ~ John Brennan (serious-looking guy) http://twitter.com/JohnBrennan/status/1018885971104985093
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Jul 16 11:13:08 tw - get this asshole!!! there's no bias in the journalism, this is fact
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Jul 16 11:14:27 LOL, I wish I could be that certain.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 11:19:10 i was referring to Andersen calling it disgraceful... unlike Fox News, CNN show hosts tend not to give personal opinions & leave it to the guests, but this was simply fact but looking at Fox News twitter, seems they are sticking to the positive sound bites & not his total obedience to Putin
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 11:27:16 Putin even gave his lil puppy a ball to play with (seriously)
Pillz Member	Mon Jul 16 11:28:59 How bad will tumbleweed be by 2020? Will he stroke the way hot rod should have in 2012?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jul 16 11:32:17 Great conference, good talks.
Paramount Member	Mon Jul 16 11:32:34 John O. Brennan @JohnBrennan Why did Trump meet 1 on 1 with Putin? What might he be hiding from Bolton, Pompeo, Kelly, & the American public? How will Putin use whatever Trump could be hiding to advantage Russia & hurt America? Trump’s total lack of credibility renders spurious whatever explanation he gives. - - ”Why did Trump meet 1 on 1 with Putin?” Obviously so Trump could speak with Putin without any American knowing what he told to Putin. Hell, maybe it was Putin who told Trump things. Maybe Trump received new orders.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 11:32:53 let's hope so... it is mind-boggling people accept this 100% unfit idiot... a mind can only be boggled so much
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 11:33:09 ^ that was @Pillz
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 11:42:25 Trump idiotic response to the 'do you believe our intel agencies or Putin' question: "So let me just say that we have two thoughts: You have groups that are wondering why the FBI never took the server. Why haven’t they taken the server? Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the Democratic National Committee? I’ve been wondering that. I’ve been asking that for months and months, and I’ve been tweeting it out and calling it out on social media. Where is the server? I want to know where is the server and what is the server saying? ...I have President Putin, he just said it's not Russia. I will say this: I don't see any reason why it would be, but I really do want to see the server. But I have — I have confidence in both parties. I really believe that this will probably go on for a while, but I don't think it can go on without finding out what happened to the server. What happened to the servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC? Where are those servers? They're missing. Where are they? What happened to Hillary Clinton's emails? 33,000 emails gone, just gone. " Hillary's emails??? how the hell is that relevant... he has these stupid comments he makes at rallies that get cheers, but they don't work amongst adults w/ well-formed brains also if the intel agencies needed more from the DNC server, they would've subpoenaed it... they aren't just winging their conclusions... & all the indictments... as Trump (the PRESIDENT) is implying of our own agencies ...& the DNC server isn't the only thing they hacked
hood Member	Mon Jul 16 11:49:14 "they don't work amongst adults w/ well-formed brains" Yes, but what about the other 350 million US citizens?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 11:54:37 i hadn't even noticed this tweet he made: " Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt! " http://twi...ump/status/1018738368753078273 bring on that stroke!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 12:05:47 there was actually more to his idiotic above answer, just heard it again... he continued about Hillary's emails more... plus noted Putin offered to help with the investigation which Trump thought was a great offer ... ... ...
Delude Member	Mon Jul 16 12:09:06 Stable genius.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 12:23:30 this is what Trump's son's girlfriend (& Fox News host) said before the meeting (after suggesting the indictments were a ploy to undermine Trump) "This is what a president who is strong, who is fearless, who leads with command and authority does." i wonder if he lived up to her expectations
Paramount Member	Mon Jul 16 12:40:31 So Putin denied that the Russian state was involved in any hacking, but hinted that private Russian citizens may have. I’m not an anti-semite or anything, but I can see how Russian Jews loyal to Netanyahu, Israel and the Zionist cause, are behind the hacking and the attack on the US election, to get Trump elected to destroy the Iranian deal and move that embassy to Jerusalem, etc and so on. So why isn’t USA’s agencys investigating Trump and his admin’s connection to Israel and Netanyahu?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 12:50:53 we just indicted 12 Russian military officers so it's not random citizens & a real President would side with that finding over the mere word of Putin but investigating our weird Israel ties would be fine too, the embassy move did nothing for us yet was important enough to piss off everyone in the UN w/ threats for some reason
hood Member	Mon Jul 16 12:58:48 "I’m not an anti-semite or anything" About as convincing as Putin suggesting rando Russian citizens were the hackers.
Forwyn Member	Mon Jul 16 13:09:19 "~ John Brennan" Lol. If anyone is an expert on treason, it's the Commie Islamist.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Mon Jul 16 13:09:32 "we just indicted 12 Russian military officers" http://joh...ion-as-due-process/#more-19500
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Mon Jul 16 13:12:13 ==Lavrov, asked how the summit went, responds: "Fabulous…better than super."==
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 13:13:12 i'm not going to some weird link... & seems like it's probably a joke post by the URL the AMERICAN president should side with AMERICAN agencies who have done extensive investigating over the mere word of an adversary... this is not complicated he did worse than i expected, i assumed he would've come up w/ some better answer, but instead just yet again 'i accept Putin & we should doubt our own people'... and somehow Hillary's emails are relevant
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 13:20:50 “Today’s press conference in Helsinki was one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory. The damage inflicted by President Trump’s naiveté, egotism, false equivalence, and sympathy for autocrats is difficult to calculate. But it is clear that the summit in Helsinki was a tragic mistake. President Trump proved not only unable, but unwilling to stand up to Putin. He and Putin seemed to be speaking from the same script as the president made a conscious choice to defend a tyrant against the fair questions of a free press, and to grant Putin an uncontested platform to spew propaganda and lies to the world. It is tempting to describe the press conference as a pathetic rout – as an illustration of the perils of under-preparation and inexperience. But these were not the errant tweets of a novice politician. These were the deliberate choices of a president who seems determined to realize his delusions of a warm relationship with Putin’s regime without any regard for the true nature of his rule, his violent disregard for the sovereignty of his neighbors, his complicity in the slaughter of the Syrian people, his violation of international treaties, and his assault on democratic institutions throughout the world. Coming close on the heels of President Trump’s bombastic and erratic conduct towards our closest friends and allies in Brussels and Britain, today’s press conference marks a recent low point in the history of the American Presidency. That the president was attended in Helsinki by a team of competent and patriotic advisors makes his blunders and capitulations all the more painful and inexplicable. No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant. Not only did President Trump fail to speak the truth about an adversary; but speaking for America to the world, our president failed to defend all that makes us who we are—a republic of free people dedicated to the cause of liberty at home and abroad. American presidents must be the champions of that cause if it is to succeed. Americans are waiting and hoping for President Trump to embrace that sacred responsibility. One can only hope they are not waiting totally in vain.” ~ John McCain but Trump fans will piss on his grave while cheering the total moron child
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Mon Jul 16 13:22:48 John McCain loloolololoololololololol
Forwyn Member	Mon Jul 16 13:24:02 McCain and Brennan quotes in the same thread, what a goldmine
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 13:26:05 he was the R presidential candidate in 2008 also try to imagine Trump laying out a case like McCain did... you'd get childish insults, random jumping topic to topic, and applause lines
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 13:26:52 feel free to post the opinion of any respected leader you'd like about Trump today go ahead... i dare you
murder Member	Mon Jul 16 13:52:11 "Putin has a ploy of arriving late in order to show a sign of strength." In this particular case Putin just mounted Trump to show his dominance.
Average Ameriacn Member	Mon Jul 16 14:07:04 Putin: "This includes the extension of the strategic offensive arms limitation treaty." I told you Putin would offer denucularization. MAGA
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Mon Jul 16 14:09:01 I wanted Trump to win - Putin (VIDEO) Published time: 16 Jul, 2018 15:44 Edited time: 16 Jul, 2018 18:40 http://www.rt.com/news/433397-wanted-trump-to-win-putin/
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 14:22:11 & Putin said ^that before Trump gave this nugget of defense of Russia about meddling: "I have President Putin, he just said it's not Russia. I will say this: I don't see any reason why it would be"
Paramount Member	Mon Jul 16 14:29:39 Yeah , it is weird that a US president sides with the Russian president over his own American intelligence agencies. It is like Trump knows something. He knows that it was the Israelis who helped him win the election, and not Putin.
kargen Member	Mon Jul 16 14:49:41 tumbleweed Shepard Smith has been blasting President Trump for the meeting and the press conference since coming on the air. So far every guest commentator except Newt has had nothing but negative remarks. The reporters on FOX News are nowhere near so biased as you think. Now their talking heads that host the opinion driven shows (such as Hannity) are extremely biased in what they present.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 14:54:37 i said long ago i like Shepard Smith, he's their only decent host... although HR will call him a liberal let's see what Fox&Friends & Hannity & all the others say i know Fox News live-tweeted it w/ nothing suspect, all pro-Trump shit
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Mon Jul 16 14:57:39 http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiOy7u5W4AAU19L.jpg:large
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 15:02:17 Trump on clean-up duty w/ a total bullshit lie: "As I said today and many times before, “I have GREAT confidence in MY intelligence people.” However, I also recognize that in order to build a brighter future, we cannot exclusively focus on the past – as the world’s two largest nuclear powers, we must get along! #HELSINKI2018" http://twi...ump/status/1018943446583668736 he had nothing but suspicion of their conclusions & no suspicion of Putin and @ swordtail & forwyn, do you have any actual defense of Trump's behavior to offer? rather than empty criticism of the critics ^also goes to HR/superdude/obaminated if they show their faces in here...
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Mon Jul 16 15:06:05 sorry to break it to you but i'm not defending trump. as for your so called critics,they be bought and paid for.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Mon Jul 16 15:08:09 still waiting for the proof from u.s. intel that assad gassed his people and the ruskies shot down the plane as per john kerry.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 15:38:57 i know you and forwyn aren't supporters like the trio i noted, but criticizing media/Mueller/Mccain doesn't advance anything when you aren't attacking anything they are saying what in McCain's comments is wrong? Trump is objectively awful & unfit & should be removed immediately
murder Member	Mon Jul 16 15:47:28 "Putin even gave his lil puppy a ball to play with (seriously)" That's to remind Trump of the ones he teabagged him with.
Forwyn Member	Mon Jul 16 15:47:31 "do you have any actual defense of Trump's behavior to offer?" Nope. If we're pissing on graves, put all three plots next to each other so I can hit them in one bladder.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 17:03:40 Rand Paul is willing to defend Trump... by ignoring everything Trump said... Rand claims everyone agrees Russia meddled, but we have meddled, just what happens, yadda yadda. No acknowledgement of Trump clearly siding w/ Putin over own intel agencies as if that's acceptable in any way. ...not sure what happened to the little frizball
smart dude Member	Tue Jul 17 01:39:21 "Putin has a ploy of arriving late in order to show a sign of strength. Trump waited in his hotel room until after Putin had already arrived." LOL, so much for Trump trying to powerplay Putin, Roddy Boy. That's an interesting ploy to make if you're just going to kiss the other guy's ass in public. Where is Rod to defend our traitor president? He's been awful quiet.
murder Member	Tue Jul 17 05:23:21 I'm old enough to remember Republicans losing their shit because Obama "bowed" to the Saudi king.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Jul 17 05:50:49 Other countries have different ways of showing strength. http://www...g5sfOll76G7djXDiZjl1TERl0P2qJJ
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue Jul 17 08:54:00 Unbridled Russian Hysteria: A Rant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUoG4Tahd24
murder Member	Tue Jul 17 09:25:20 "Other countries have different ways of showing strength." That links to nothing.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Jul 17 09:45:19 Once upon a time, it linked to Arafat and an Israeli going through a doorway. Each was trying to physically push the other through the doorway first. The Israeli won after he got Arafat in a bearhug.
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