Utopia Talk / Politics / Trump is anti-American

FoxNEWS Member	Sat Jul 14 19:45:39 We all know Trump is the worst president in the history of the US. And he continues to show it everyday. When it came to the 12 Russian operatives ordered by the Kremlin to interfere in American affairs in varied areas of it's infrastructure. The only thing Trump can muster is to say it was Obama's fault it happened and he didn't do anything to prevent it. You may recall as well that Trump also blamed Obama for Russian invading a sovereign nation as well. Here is the issue: The issue for Dotard is isn't whose fault it is or isn't. It is an American issue, it is the Nation's issue. And Comrade Trump was elected President and cannot see that this is an issue as a whole. He has done nothing to strengthen the infrastructure to prevent future attacks like this or mitigate it. And this isn't from Russian strictly but from other countries as well. These attacks occur daily. But there is evidence from out intelligent agencies that these series of attacks were serious and should be dealt with. Of course Trump wants to be friends with Putin. And we all know why that is. He doesn't care about the defense of the United States. If he did, he wouldn't shift blame everywhere. He is more concerned about that anything negative that America has done, he wasn't president at the time so it wasn't his fault. This is a critical fault of a leader and Trump by any stretch of the word is no leader. He is in a leadership position, but does not possess any quality of such. His base, his blind following base ignore reason, objectivity, intelligence, and progressive thinking and rather instead of being proactive, be reactive. It will be too late as in the damage is going to be too great and it will be us playing catch up. Trump is a regressive and has made every attempt possible to turn back time and that isn't how it works in reality. Trumpicantards rejoice as they enjoy being fucked in their asses.
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Sat Jul 14 21:51:08 Are you surprised that Putin's top Lieutenant is anti-american?
Paramount Member	Sun Jul 15 13:56:44 Indictment of Russian Intelligence Operatives Should Quell Harebrained Conspiracy Theories on DNC Hack With his latest indictments on Friday, Special Counsel Robert Mueller drove a particularly sharp nail into the coffin of the conspiracy theories surrounding the cyber-attack on the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign during the 2016 election. Spoiler alert: The Russians really did do it. It wasn’t Seth Rich, the murdered young Democratic staffer whose name has been dragged through the mud by countless fringe theorists, and whose parents are now suing Fox News for propagating such lies. It wasn’t an inside job by the Democrats themselves, as a group of out-of-touch former intelligence officials tried to convince themselves and the world. The Mueller investigation isn’t a “witch hunt,” as Donald Trump and his loyalists have repeatedly claimed. Instead, Mueller’s prosecutors charged 12 Russian intelligence officials, listed by name, rank, and job title, with engineering the hack of the Democrats during the election. In damning detail, the indictment makes the case that the hack of the Democratic Party was a highly-structured, officially sanctioned covert action operation conducted by Russian intelligence, namely the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence arm. If the allegations hold up, there can no longer be any question as to whether the cyberattack was ordered and approved by the Putin government. http://the...nspiracy-theories-on-dnc-hack/ What about the Israel/Netanyahu theory? They haven’t been able to drive a nail into the coffin of that theory yet.
patom Member	Sun Jul 15 17:25:15 So when do we attack the EU? Trump was just asked who our biggest enemy was and he immediately said the EU. Is Helsinki a meeting to decide who gets what when we and our new besttest buddy Russia put the EU in a pincers move?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Jul 15 17:49:15 Spoiler alert: The Russians really did do it. Spoiler alert: Trump didn't.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Jul 15 18:29:53 "The Russians really did do it. " tell that to your idiot hero "Where is the DNC Server, and why didn’t the FBI take possession of it? Deep State?" ~ traitor Trump, July 14 (yesterday) why is he concerned about the server? he believes the theory that the server would show it was never hacked, that it was an inside job (seth rich, or whomever) ========== apparently this Putin meeting has no agenda & no expectations so perhaps it's just agent Trump fleeing back to his Russian handlers before the axe comes down ...would be nice if so
The Sentinal Member	Mon Jul 16 05:16:32 Hot Rod is right. It doesn't matter if the Russians have been conducting attacks on America as they have been It only matters because Trump is president and this clearly exonerates him as well as it is his prerogative to ignore the attacks on America by Russia because of priorities. And protecting America isn't it. It's ending the Russian investigation.
FoxNEWS Member	Mon Jul 16 18:56:40 As we suspected, the American people have fully seen Trump become a Traitor.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 16 20:58:32 apparently the 1-on-1 meeting was over 2 hours, our translator needs interrogated http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiRYkPOXkAI2-pE?format=jpg
patom Member	Tue Jul 17 05:48:02 Maybe Putin was being nice and was dipping his cock in different flavor enhancers for the Twitterman to sample.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Jul 17 05:53:34 The translators are not going to tell you a damned thing.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Jul 17 06:10:47 You know, this is highly unbelievable but, it is possible that Russia did meddle without Putin knowing. It's called, something that I can't remember the words right now. Countries sometimes do things without telling the leader so he can deny it and, in essence, would be telling the tru6th, as far he knows.
delude Member	Tue Jul 17 06:19:51 You're really reaching. Accept the fact that Trump hates America and cares not about defending it. Even Fox News commentators are calling him out.
Forwyn Member	Tue Jul 17 13:45:41 "but there is evidence from out intelligent agencies that these series of attacks were serious" lol Muh Facebook fake news
murder Member	Tue Jul 17 13:54:14 "It's called, something that I can't remember the words right now." Plausible deniability.
FoxNEWS Member	Tue Jul 17 13:54:43 Mr. Forwyn, Thanks for being a reader to our publication. I understand that you disagree with that statement. Are you able to articulate as to why? Is that anything false with that statement. Have our Intel agencies declared these attacks as not serious? And lastly, are you yourself not on record on the forums stating that there have been attacks upon our cyber infrastructure and that security measures need to improve therefore agreeing that these attacks are/were serious? Other than that I think you are mistaken. Thank you for your input. Regards, -FoxNEWS
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jul 17 13:58:55 Trump is reading a statement that he believes Russia meddled... has to read it off paper... and he continues to read that when he said "I don't see any reason it would be (Russia)" that he meant "I don't see any reason it wouldn't be (Russia)" yeah... right...
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue Jul 17 14:06:30 he's seen the light!
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue Jul 17 14:09:08 now if only he'd use colourful adjectives to describe putin the terrible, like all the other cool kids do.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue Jul 17 14:10:37 and launches a few missiles at assad for no good reason,then he'd be on his way to becoming a real president,once again.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jul 17 14:14:37 you claim not to be a Trump defender yet you make these weird comments do you believe Trump has clearly sided with our agencies over the mere word of Putin? as one would expect as a given, but when not reading papers written by others, he is ALWAYS, as in 100% of the time, casting doubt Russia did it he even added 'but it could have been other countries too' after reading his statement made by adults
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue Jul 17 14:21:52 i'm enjoying myself watching so called smart,educated peeps going ballistic over trump. trump deserves pretty much all the scorn he gets. that being said,watching you and a few others agreeing and praising a bunch of assholes with zero credibility,well that just warms me up.
Forwyn Member	Tue Jul 17 14:23:33 "Are you able to articulate as to why? Is that anything false with that statement. Have our Intel agencies declared these attacks as not serious?" If the worst we have is, for example, the vaunted Intel memo, approved by 17 agencies, yadda yadda, that Putin approved *gasp* an astroturfed social media presence, yeah, I don't consider that serious. I think this case is absolutely blown out of proportion by sore loser leftists. Russia's "meddling" is neither isolated or without precedent. "And lastly, are you yourself not on record on the forums stating that there have been attacks upon our cyber infrastructure and that security measures need to improve therefore agreeing that these attacks are/were serious?" Yes. Measures should be taken to avoid cyber attacks on our voting systems. We have evidence that attempts were made, but none that successful attempts were made. So far so good.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jul 17 14:29:10 my posting McCain or whomever response is irrelevant... I have a problem (as should EVERYONE)... the PRESIDENT is TOTALLY UNFIT he has sided with Putin based on his mere word & own self interest, that all findings by our intel agencies are wrong and now he's giving this total bullshit 'i meant wouldn't' when he clearly meant what he said, & it's not like that one word was the only problem
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jul 17 14:33:44 ...although i also find it stupid to dismiss McCain's entirely on-point conclusion just because you don't like him on other issues... you can't refute a thing he said
FoxNEWS Member	Fri Jul 20 05:16:51 Mr. Forwyn, We appreciate your further contribution and with your opinions. Unfortunately it appears that you are either misinformed, ignorant, or do not fully understand the impact and the magnitude or what transpired. It also reveals that you may have some chronological events mixed up. Allow us to clear some things up for you. "If the worst we have is, for example, the vaunted Intel memo, approved by 17 agencies, yadda yadda, that Putin approved *gasp* an astroturfed social media presence, yeah, I don't consider that serious. " 1) That was only one aspect of tactics used and not the main issue. The only reason why it was more prevalent in the media as it was attached to the controversy surrounding a billion dollar company that can be argued as it being one of the most impactful and influential entity in the world and history. It is reasonable to understand and presume as to why it would be reported about in regards of, again, one way to interfere, especially when propaganda is still a strong action to be utilized in the modern world. 2) That isn't the only information they referred to as intel reports also highlighted other measures that occurred that predated the 2016 election. This was a continuation of such and it was not exclusive to the DNC, Clinton, or the Democrats. 3) You're being very dismissive of the damage, and attempts to damage of the way of life, the system, and the disruptiveness that it is causing our Nation. Russian/Putin understands that in a conventional warfare they cannot hold up. But when it comes to other means e.g. cyberwarfare, social disruption, espionage, etc . It is more of a level playing field. Many of those in our intel agencies, politicians we've elected, have agreed that we are being attacked and something needs to be done about it. Instead Comrade Trump would embrace the very person who is responsible for these attacks. "I think this case is absolutely blown out of proportion by sore loser leftists. Russia's "meddling" is neither isolated or without precedent. " Attacks on America with evidence that it has effected the Nation is really 'blown' out of proportion by 'sore loser leftists.' I think the evidence disagrees with your assessment. You are at least correct to say that this is not isolated and it is something that it has been a continuous action. But where you fail to understand is that as it has been building up for years, and the cyberattacks and other nefarious actions continued, the results to breach, the results of their campaign, finally showed the results rearing its head out in the 2016 election. There is nothing that can be disputed about that. Especially when there is a conclusion that Russia did meddle and did influence. Again, that is an attack and something to be concerned about not "dismissive" 'sore loser leftists' or not. That is your conjecture. But you are also one of the defenders on Trump on this board for just about every critique of him. "Yes. Measures should be taken to avoid cyber attacks on our voting systems. We have evidence that attempts were made, but none that successful attempts were made. So far so good. " This is patently false; http://tec...ssian-government-cyber-actors/ And let's not forget; DNC hacked, RNC hacked, Pentagon hacked, the White House. The U.S. State Department, and the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff. Other targeted sectors include: Aerospace, Defense, Energy, Mining, Financial, Insurance, Legal, Manufacturing, Media, Think tanks, Pharmaceutical, Research and Technology industries as well as universities. Just because you feel that they were not "successful" on our voting machines should not mean to be dismissive or think all is well. It will continue and it takes only one time and this should be an active and pro-active campaign to prevent it. Not cozy up to the person who is responsible for it, just like Comrade Trump has been doing that so far; Continues to refuse to listen to our intel agencies, doesn't support then. Has made multiple attempts to stifle the Russian investigation. Has revealed classified and confidential information to Russian officials in the White House. Denied the hackings occurred, doesn't believe Russia "meddled." Is 'awe struck' by Putin and supports Putin's versions of events by believing him and getting on the world stage and virtually declaring his loyalty to him. There are just small examples. Nonetheless we appreciate your feedback. We hope this has enlightened you, but we also understand how are it is for some trumpicantards to go against their messiah in fear of retaliation or being sent to Siberia. Regards, -UFN Staff
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