Utopia Talk / Politics / Trump Foundation / criminal slush fund

tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jun 14 11:01:54 NEW YORK (Reuters) - New York’s attorney general on Thursday sued U.S. President Donald Trump, three of his children and his namesake foundation, alleging “persistently illegal conduct” at the nonprofit including support for Trump’s 2016 campaign. Barbara Underwood, the attorney general, asked a New York state judge to dissolve the Donald J. Trump Foundation, and impose bans on Trump, his sons Donald Jr and Eric, and his daughter from holding leadership roles in New York charities. Underwood said her office’s 21-month investigation, begun under her predecessor Eric Schneiderman, uncovered “extensive unlawful political coordination” by the foundation with Trump’s campaign, as well as “repeated and willful self-dealing” to benefit Trump’s personal and business interests. [^this is not surprising at all given what was exposed during campaign] ...<editted out worthless Trump responses> The lawsuit filed in the state Supreme Court in Manhattan is seeking $2.8 million of restitution plus penalties, a 10-year ban on Trump serving as a director of a New York nonprofit, and one-year bans for his children. “As our investigation reveals, the Trump Foundation was little more than a checkbook for payments from Mr. Trump or his businesses to nonprofits, regardless of their purpose of legality,” Underwood said in a statement. “That is not how private foundations should function.” http://www...-illegal-conduct-idUSKBN1JA26G
murder Member	Thu Jun 14 11:05:45 But the Clintons!
murder Member	Thu Jun 14 11:07:08 My question is what took them so fucking long? Donald Trump has been scamming people in the name of charity and misappropriating funds for decades.
Rugian Member	Thu Jun 14 11:15:47 Time to cut highway funding for New York.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jun 14 11:26:18 it says 21-month investigation, so perhaps started by the non-fake media doing non-fake investigations and uncovering the shit he was doing ...like paying off a legal settlement w/ that 'charity' money... that he doesn't even donate to unlike probably everyone else who has a charity
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Jun 14 11:45:03 The previous A/G thought the charges were silly and unfounded.
Paramount Member	Thu Jun 14 11:45:32 The supreme court needs to declare the election invalid now and a new fair election needs to be held in a democratic spirit. If Trump used criminal means to win, and as he also got help from a foreign power to snitch the power, then he must go to jail.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Jun 14 11:48:45 If a reelection were held today I would bet Trump would net 48 of the 50 States.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jun 14 11:50:00 "The previous A/G thought the charges were silly and unfounded" who are you talking about? and where did they say this?
Sam Adams Member	Thu Jun 14 12:07:40 Sounds like clinton charities.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jun 14 12:11:24 they are actually not similar in any way Clinton's is a large public charity that actually does charity work Trump's is a tiny private charity that serves him personally
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Jun 14 12:24:15 The charity handed out more than it took in because the expenses were low.
hood Member	Thu Jun 14 12:29:51 "The charity handed out more than it took in because the expenses were low." That's either criminal bookkeeping, criminal activity (printing money), blatantly false/impossible (most likely), or some other illegal act I'm not going to bother commenting on.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Jun 14 12:38:31 Perhaps he and/or his kids wrote more checks to cover more than they took out. (assuming they did, in fact, take anything out.)
John Adams Member	Thu Jun 14 12:39:19 Hot Rod, just no. This is as bad if not worse than the Clinton foundation. Keep in mind that both worked closely together and were good friends. The bookkeeping Hood mentioned is actually the big problem. Based on past experiences I would venture t say that it spend majority of its funds on administrative side of things. Which includes but not limited to salaries, bonuses, payouts to friends and family. More so that allot of the funds received most probable did not get reported especially foreign donations. And this ties into why Trump's taxes are not wanting to be disclosed. This is the swamp.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jun 14 12:42:45 "Perhaps he and/or his kids wrote more checks to cover more than they took out." Trump didn't donate AT ALL since 2008... which is unusual for a personal charity...
John Adams Member	Thu Jun 14 12:42:45 "Perhaps he and/or his kids wrote more checks to cover more than they took out. (assuming they did, in fact, take anything out.)" So now you're stating falsely using funds for leisurely without showing the benefits of their charity is their cause of action? You're making it worse for them
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Jun 14 12:46:27 You just said that I stated a fac6t when I did not. Pay some attention to the word 'assuming'. It has a particular meaning in this sense.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jun 14 12:57:00 i don't think they paid a lot to administration fees... it had no staff... he took in money/bribes from others then passed them along to other charities (or improperly used for his own benefit) it's nothing like what you think of as an actual charity (& perhaps not unusual for a personal rich guy charity, other than not donating himself & in using the money for himself)
John Adams Member	Thu Jun 14 13:02:51 Hot rod if that is directed towards me then I would suggest you reread what I said. I was pointing out that what you suggest would make it worse. Not that I said you stated a fact. Good god.
Cold Rod Member	Thu Jun 14 13:04:20 Hot Rod is about to just go all stupid again. Wait....too late.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Jun 14 15:01:40 tw - who are you talking about? and where did they say this? It has been reported on FOX today. ja, since we are both agreed that the statement was false and, from my POV, facetious then I suggest it is a moot point.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jun 14 15:07:23 are you sure they weren't just repeating Trump's worthless words?... “Schneiderman, who ran the Clinton campaign in New York, never had the guts to bring this ridiculous case" here's a nugget of the corruption from a Fox News article though: " The attorney general’s office released an email dated Jan. 29, 2016 from former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, which requested that the foundation “make some disbursements this week while in Iowa.” The attorney general’s office said that, following that email, at least five $100,000 grants were made to groups in Iowa in the days before the February 1, 2016 Iowa caucuses. " http://www...ct-trump-says-wont-settle.html
Rugian Member	Thu Jun 14 15:07:55 Dropped this bullshit on Trump's birthday. Barbara Underwood is a right cunt.
John Adams Member	Thu Jun 14 15:08:05 You have poor interpretations and I suggest a remedial course in comprehension. You have failed to either understand what is actually said. Or you posted something about a subject that you fully do not understand.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Jun 14 15:09:46 What five groups received $100,000?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jun 14 15:12:39 who cares, he's using the charity as an arm of his campaign
hood Member	Thu Jun 14 15:15:05 From the link tw posted: "A spokesperson for the Trump Foundation, in a statement to Fox News, called the lawsuit “politics at its very worst,” noting that the foundation has donated over $19 million to charitable causes “more than it ever received.” The spokesperson also said Trump contributed himself, or through his companies, more than $8 million, noting that the organization “was able to donate more than it took in” because “it had little to no expenses.”" This is pretty much an admission of guilt here. Someone has cooked books if they donated more money than they received. Either they've falsified what they distributed or hidden money coming in (money laundering???). Does Trump just infect everyone around him with stupid?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jun 14 15:17:53 here's the court filing http://ag....les/court_stamped_petition.pdf if you jump to page 9 (the facts section) you see it was run as you might expect from the idiot child dictator
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Jun 14 15:18:54 tw, If he is contributing charity funds to deserving organizations that needed the money to help the needy then nothing wrong was done. \ ja, as I said, I was being facetious. I'm sorry you didn't catch my drift.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Jun 14 15:21:42 tw, did you see in the link you posted, "The spokesperson also said Trump contributed himself, or through his companies, more than $8 million..."
John Adams Member	Thu Jun 14 15:21:54 "ja, as I said, I was being facetious. I'm sorry you didn't catch my drift. " Take a poll Hot Rod, where in any of what you said can be interpreted that you were being facetious? The only person that did do that is you and I suspect strongly you weren't. And I surmised that you said what you said as merely a defense for their actions. If all is true. Regardless this does not bode well considering what is known publicly without the details of the investigation.
John Adams Member	Thu Jun 14 15:23:43 "Does Trump just infect everyone around him with stupid?" Rhetorical. Ha!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jun 14 15:33:28 points #33 to #71 in the lawsuit filing are all about political misuse... it contains a lot of words, so i find Trump guilty... as is not surprising as apparently the 'charity' was run without any thought or oversight at all
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Jun 14 15:37:42 If you were the slightest bit informed on what I think of Trump and his kids you would know, unequivocally, that I believe it would be impossible that any of them could be guilty of stealing from a charity. Further, see the above posts, "The attorney general’s office released an email dated Jan. 29, 2016 from former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, which requested that the foundation “make some disbursements this week while in Iowa.” The attorney general’s office said that, following that email, at least five $100,000 grants were made to groups in Iowa in the days before the February 1, 2016 Iowa caucuses." AND, "tw, If he is contributing charity funds to deserving organizations that needed the money to help the needy then nothing wrong was done." As I said, this is a moot point since I was making a little joke when I used the word 'assuming'. If you still don't see the humor then try thinking of it as sarcasm. That fits too though it is not what I was going for. -30-
John Adams Member	Thu Jun 14 15:38:16 Since it said somewhere that the Treasurer was unaware that he was part of the board or still was. I would say that there was a massive oversight.
John Adams Member	Thu Jun 14 15:43:08 "If you were the slightest bit informed on what I think of Trump and his kids you would know, unequivocally, that I believe it would be impossible that any of them could be guilty of stealing from a charity. " So it is safe to presume that any an all objectivity is gone because of your bias due to their name of being Trump and associates. So then in future interactions that I decide to participate with you involved. I can automatically dismiss you and not waste my time typing out responses to you. Duly noted. You unequivocally fill the role as as hack. Rest of your post is pointless to response based on your admission of bias and without objectivity.
delude Member	Thu Jun 14 15:44:39 yahtzee! HR is only a punching bag for many. Why? Because he needs to die. And that what you've said...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jun 14 15:44:50 the whole board was fake from court filing: " The Foundation's Board existed in name only. Board members failed to exercise their fiduciary duty to provide oversight and control of the organization for at least nineteen years, from 1999 through the present. The Board has not met since 1999 and does not oversee the activities of the Foundation in any way. The Board has not set policy determined the direction, operations or acts of the Foundation. It has not promulgated, and the Foundation does not have, any written criteria for the consideration, approval, or monitoring of grants, or protocols for assuring compliance with the organization's governing documents and charitable mission. In fact, the Board has played no role in approving the grants that the Foundation has made and failed to obtain annual reports concerning the activities and operations of the Foundation, as required by N-PCL §519. In the absence of a functioning board, Mr. Trump ran the Foundation according to his whim, rather than the law. " ...not surprising to anyone
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jun 14 15:48:42 "I believe it would be impossible that any of them could be guilty of stealing from a charity" How Donald Trump Shifted Kids-Cancer Charity Money Into His Business http://www...nto-his-business/#772c0f486b4a also it is simply a fact he paid off legal settlements w/ the charity money... there's even a handwritten note by Trump (as he doesn't know how to email) saying to do it in the filing
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Jun 14 21:40:59 "because of your bias due to their name of being Trump..." No. Not bias. My judgment. Hell man, you are just like all of the rest and if you are who I think you are then you haven't changed a bit. -30-
delude Member	Thu Jun 14 21:44:54 "My judgment. " No it's fucking bias and you know it. You're a pathetic human being.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Jun 14 21:55:55 I'm surprised you know the difference.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Jun 14 22:26:57 Delude, I know you will not have a clue what I am about to explain but I will give it a try. You watch the liberal media and you get your news from the liberal blogs. Therefore, you seldom get to see the kids on TV and what you see of Trump has been cherry picked by the liberals to show Trump in the worst possible light. While I watch FOX News where they not only show Trump in the liberal view but they show the kids and Trump much more often and as they are. Ergo, according to my philosophy of individual freedom I see them in a much more positive light. Therefore, I am using judgment rather than what the television tells me to think. That's it, that's all you get from me.
delude Member	Fri Jun 15 05:01:33 judgement.... hmm...but you just admitted some posts back your complete bias. I am not surprised you cannot tell the different. But you telling yourself whatever helps you cope.
delude Member	Fri Jun 15 05:22:02 *difference.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Jun 15 05:48:04 I have absolutely no idea what you just said in your post.
Delude Member	Fri Jun 15 06:32:01 I figured as much. I shouldn't be surprised considering your limited deductive abilities. But to correct it since it was a post on the fly. You keep yourself that, whatever helps you cope.
Delude Member	Fri Jun 15 06:33:04 *telling yourself Dictation on phone. Not the best.
John Adams Member	Fri Jun 15 07:03:53 Trump et al has a history of shady dealings and have faced many lawsuits and settled a lot if them. This is another one and the end result will most likely end in the same way. The significant difference this turn is that Trump is president and his kids or family are his advisers. In government nepotism is either disallowed or frowned upon. Specifically based upon ethical standards and other concerns. To believe that they are incapable of committing such actions shows how unbelievably naive and flat out dumb you can be. What is bothersome, but this is the word of politics and definite
John Adams Member	Fri Jun 15 07:08:47 Oops. Hit enter too early... **this is the world of politics and definitely we all know what entails of dastardly deeds, backstabbing, and contradictions. Doing my best being a principled person. It's trying everyday. And can't wait till the election year is over. My point is to this is that Trump is not a leader. Trump is leading the country down a path where it will take years to get back on track. Too many indicators of what will happen based upon the actions of this current administration. He is failing on a lot of fronts. But the cult of personality that resonates has his followers virtually brainwashed.
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