Utopia Talk / Politics / Kill all elephants

Paramount Member	Thu Nov 16 13:19:26 Better hurry to kill all the elephants now and bring the trophies back to America while this law is valid. Another win for Trump. Actually I’m not sure what he has achieved since he became president. Maybe this is his first win. Trump to allow imports of African elephant trophies The Trump administration is reversing an Obama administration ban on bringing to the United States the heads of elephants killed in two African countries. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) said it has determined that hunting African elephants in Zimbabwe and Zambia “will enhance the survival of the species in the wild,” which is the standard by which officials judge whether to allow imports of parts — known as trophies — of the animals. “Legal, well-regulated sport hunting as part of a sound management program can benefit the conservation of certain species by providing incentives to local communities to conserve the species and by putting much-needed revenue back into conservation,” an FWS spokesman said in a statement late Wednesday after hunting group Safari Club International announced the policy. Imports will be allowed for elephants killed between Jan. 21 and the end of 2018. The decision, cheered by some hunting and gun rights groups, is a reversal of the policy under the Obama administration. The United States and international authorities say the African elephant is a threatened species, and the Obama administration argued that allowing trophy imports would harm the animals by encouraging killing them. The reversal is part of a wide-ranging effort by Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke, whose department includes the FWS, to promote hunting. “Some of my best memories are hunting and fishing ​with my dad and granddad, and then later teaching my own kids to hunt and fish​. That's something I want more families to experience,” Zinke said in a September statement in which he announced that the arcade game Big Buck Hunter would be temporarily installed in the department’s headquarters. The National Rifle Association’s lobbying arm praised the elephant trophy decision. “By lifting the import ban on elephant trophies in Zimbabwe and Zambia the Trump Administration underscored, once again, the importance of sound scientific wildlife management and regulated hunting to the survival and enhancement of game species in this country and worldwide,” Chris Cox, executive director of the group’s Institute for Legislative Action, said in a statement. Animal rights groups slammed the Trump administration. “Let’s be clear: elephants are on the list of threatened species; the global community has rallied to stem the ivory trade; and now, the U.S. government is giving American trophy hunters the green light to kill them,” Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society of the United States, wrote in a blog post. “What kind of message does it send to say to the world that poor Africans who are struggling to survive cannot kill elephants in order to use or sell their parts to make a living, but that it’s just fine for rich Americans to slay the beasts for their tusks to keep as trophies?” he continued. http://the...s-of-african-elephant-trophies
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Nov 16 14:04:54 Animal rights groups have nothing of value to say since they shut down The Ringling Circus with their nonsense. This is a sound idea, We do it in this country all of the time with deer and bear and such. This will work out fine.
Dukhat Member	Thu Nov 16 16:00:48 It's amazing how dumb Hot Rod's rationalizations.
Dukhat Member	Thu Nov 16 16:00:51 are.
obaminated Member	Thu Nov 16 19:44:42 Its expensive to run those nature reserves and to maintain security to prevent poachers. One source of income is to auction off an old bull elephant that can't mate anymore but will prevent younger males from mating, thus hurting the elephant population. Rich people pay lots of money, everyone wins.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 16 19:50:25 Auctioning off old animals that are beyond breeding age is legitimate.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Nov 16 19:52:24 You liberals don't have any compunction about killing off ***old*** elephants that can no longer service young females do you?
Cold Rod Member	Thu Nov 16 20:04:22 But you know everything about servicing young boys.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Nov 16 20:16:47 cr, as usual, you avoid the question in favor of a 16-year-old joke. Your creativity is at its usual peak.
Cold Rod Member	Thu Nov 16 20:23:27 There is no joke about you and little boys.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Nov 16 20:30:21 No, but you certainly a sad old joke you drunken sod.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Nov 16 20:39:39 *-certainly are a
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Nov 16 20:44:58 cr, I misread your post, "There is no joke about you and little boys." S/B 'There is no joke about me and little boys.'
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Nov 17 10:29:25 This is actually fairly easy yet uncomfortable and maybe even horrific. But if you are an African you either view many of these animals as potentially food (unsustainable) or pests and predators that will kill your livestock and mess your crops. There nothing special about this human rational, just that these people are very poor. Once you introduce trophy hunting fees you have now given the locals incentives to support and even actively take part in the conservation efforts. Such is the savagery and paradox we call humanity.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Nov 17 10:37:17 And Hot Rod is correct, this is exactly what is done in American wildlife conservation programs. In many places you pay a fee to enter raffles to shoot a white tail Buck or whatever. That money is used to make sure there will be more animals to shoot in the future. Quite a repulsive idea for some. This battle is lost. Humans own the planet regardless of how you may feel about it. It is best to incentivize sustainablity even when it comes to trophy hunting.
Paramount Member	Sat Nov 18 07:44:19 Sounds like this is great news for Donald Trump’s son: http://mobile.twitter.com/funder/status/931010898491248640 Although, Donald would never change a law so that it benefits his own family, would he? Donald changes the law because he wants to save animals.
Dukhat Member	Sat Nov 18 22:08:57 Actually, the typically retarded people on this board aren't wrong. Controlled hunting can help save the elephant. In general though, these small strategies suck compared to some comprehensive measures. You have to kill the demand which China has already begun by banning ivory. Vietnam hasn't yet though. In a way autocratic China has done more to take steps to help the world than it would if it were democratic since these industries employ thousands of people. Just imagine if China had Republicans and MCGA hats. They'd kill all the elephants and try to blame it on Democrats and illegals.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Nov 18 22:36:24 Good Grief!!!
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