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Aeros
Member Tue Nov 14 18:07:48
Mugabe about to get Gaddafied.

http://www...ital-after-army-chiefs-threat/

HARARE, Zimbabwe -- Zimbabwe was on edge Tuesday as armored personnel carriers were seen outside the capital a day after the army commander threatened to "step in" to calm political tensions over the president's possible successor, and the ruling party accused the commander of "treasonable conduct."

The Associated Press saw three armored personnel carriers with several soldiers in a convoy heading toward an army barracks just outside the capital, Harare. While military vehicle movement there is routine, the timing heightened unease in this southern African country that for the first time is seeing an open rift between the military and 93-year-old President Robert Mugabe. The military has been a key pillar of Mugabe's power since independence from white minority rule in 1980.

Mugabe, the world's oldest head of state, last week fired Vice President Emmerson Mnangagwa and accused him of plotting to take power, including through witchcraft. Mnangagwa, who enjoyed the military's backing and once was seen as a potential president, fled the country and said he had been threatened. Over 100 senior officials allegedly supporting him have been listed for disciplinary measures by a faction associated with Mugabe's wife, Grace.

The first lady now appears positioned to replace Mnangagwa as one of the country's two vice presidents at a special conference of the ruling party in December, leading many in Zimbabwe to suspect that she could succeed her husband. Grace Mugabe is unpopular with some Zimbabweans because of lavish spending as many struggle, and four people accused of booing her at a recent rally were arrested.

On Monday, army commander Constantino Chiwenga issued an unprecedented statement saying purges against senior ruling ZANU-PF party officials, many of whom like Mnangagwa fought for liberation, should end "forthwith."

"We must remind those behind the current treacherous shenanigans that when it comes to matters of protecting our revolution, the military will not hesitate to step in," the army commander said. The state-run broadcaster did not report on his statement.

ZANU-PF posted a statement on Twitter assuring the public "there is NO coup happening in Zimbabwe. Please continue with your lives and face up to your own problems."

Showing a generational divide, the ruling party's youth league, aligned with the 52-year-old first lady, who on Tuesday criticized the army commander's comments, saying youth were "ready to die for Mugabe."

On Tuesday night the ruling party issued a statement accusing the army commander of "treasonable conduct," saying his comments were "clearly calculated to disturb national peace and stability" and were "meant to incite insurrection." It was not clear whether the commander still had his post.

State broadcaster Zimbabwe Broadcasting Corporation read out part of the ruling party statement late in the nightly news, which was led by a report on regional tourism.

Elsewhere, the capital remained calm. The army spokesman was not immediately available for comment.

"Yes, given the past two weeks' political events, it is tempting to speculate that there is a connection between the deployment of military personnel and the comments of the army chief of staff on an 'intervention' — but there are very real dangers of violence breaking out as a result of rampant and unfounded speculation," African Defence Review analyst Conway Waddington wrote Tuesday evening, saying there appeared to be no other signs of an "organized coup" and that it could have been an act of intimidation instead.

Mugabe in the past has warned military commanders from interfering in succession politics. "Politics shall always lead the gun, and not the gun politics. Otherwise it will be a coup," he told supporters in July.

Frustration has been growing in once-prosperous Zimbabwe as the economy collapses under Mugabe. The country was shaken last year by the biggest anti-government protests in a decade, and a once-loyal war veterans association turned on the president, calling him "dictatorial" and blaming him for the economic crisis.

"Mnangagwa was held out by many as the best hope within ZANU-PF for piloting an economic recovery," analyst Piers Pigou with the International Crisis Group wrote Tuesday.

Now, "Mugabe will have to employ all his guile if he intends to ensure continued accommodation with the armed forces."

Rugian
Member Tue Nov 14 19:11:08
"Mugabe, the world's oldest head of state, last week fired Vice President Emmerson Mnangagwa and accused him of plotting to take power, including through witchcraft."

Ahahahahaha. Gotta love Mugabe, he never was one to fuck around when it came to destroying his opponents. If you're going to accuse your VP of plotting against you, you may as well go all the way and throw a witchcraft charge against him.

Renzo Marquez
Member Tue Nov 14 19:26:35
Mugabe finna eat dat nigga's heart.

Senor Marquez
Member Tue Nov 14 19:27:53
My wife loves it when I speak ghetto

obaminated
Member Tue Nov 14 19:29:17
Military is backing Mugabe, aint gonna be nothing but massacres.

Rugian
Member Tue Nov 14 19:29:57
Di mood for Zimbabwe dey mixed after army draw ear give President Robert Mugabe make im stop di sack sack of people wey fight for independence for inside di ruling ZANU-PF party.

On Monday, Army chief general Constantino Chiwenga draw ear give Mugabe to stop after im sack Vice President Emmerson Mnangagwa.

Dis na di latest sack wey according to tori na to pave way for Grace Mugabe to succeed.

Chiwenga talk say if things no change, army go fit step in. ''Di thing wey dey happen now for inside di ZANU-PF party by people wey no get di freedom history of di party no surprise us…''

''We get to remind di people wey dey behind am say wen e reach to protect our revolution, di military no go hesitate to step in.''

Di army oga talk dis one for tori meeting for Harare. Chiwenga, Mnangagwa and Mugabe all gather for di fight for independence from Britain.

But since im talk dis one people don dey react.

Di main opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) say dem must defend democracy. "Nobody wan see coup - no be say I dey talk say coup dey come, if di army take over dat one no pure at all..''

Na wetin on one of di party officials, Gift Chimanikire tell AFP tori people.

ZANU-PF Youth bodi wey dey support Grace Mugabe well well, talk say dem no go allow Chiwenga pick leader for Zimbabwe. ''We go guard di revolution …like wetin di people of Turkey do last year, as dem spoil di plan of di rogue security people.''

Time for change?

President Robert Mugabe don dey power since 1980 wen di country gain independence. First as Prime Minister from 1980-1987, before im begin rule as president since 1987.

Dis no be di first time military mata go come up for politics for di country. For 2015, di president open mouth talk say security officials dey involve demselves for di country politics.

Early dis year, im attack di military say dem dey chook eye inside di country politics, draw ear give dem make dem comot hand from who go rule di country mata.

Dis declaration by di army oga don carry di mata go another level. E no dey clear yet how di mata go end, as di drama continue ahead of di election wey go take place for 2018.

http://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-41987363

Aeros
Member Tue Nov 14 20:10:29
Damn you Rugian, I came back here to post that lol

yankeessuck123
Member Wed Nov 15 03:08:07
One of Africa's least successful countries continues to spiral.

Daemon
Member Wed Nov 15 03:23:25
Are my trillions of Z$ now finally worthless? I'm ruined!

yankeessuck123
Member Wed Nov 15 04:44:08
I bought a 100 trillion Zimbabwean dollar bill a few years back on eBay. It was $5.50 with shipping included.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Nov 15 06:01:37
don't despair yet, what if zimbabwe dollar shoots up like crazy

Hot Rod
Revved Up Wed Nov 15 07:02:46

Please hold your breath until it does.

rUgIaN
Member Wed Nov 15 07:31:59
I always knew Daemon was a gutless coward at heart. If a couple decades of hyperinflation and one sovereign default are enough to spook you, you don't belong in the investing business.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Nov 15 10:31:46
Rod is again being nasty to his only friend, for whatever absurd reason

Paramount
Member Wed Nov 15 12:31:15
Another day in Africa.

Dukhat
Member Wed Nov 15 12:37:43
Have to say, Zimbabwe shows why social justice warriors fail. The world was all happy to get rid of the racist white minority government and it got replaced with even worse shit.

South Africa today is still a shit-hole except for the white parts and the white members constantly get attacked.

Mandela was as good of a transition leader as you can get but most of the times you get a Mugabe.

Now Mugabe's going to get deposed but the damage is done. Africa is such a shithole. We should spread a virus that sterilizes the whole damn continent.

swordtail
Anarchist Prime Wed Nov 15 12:52:26
"Mugabe about to get Gaddafied."

so the US and Europe are behind the coup.
good to know.

jergul
large member Wed Nov 15 12:57:06
http://en....can_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

jergul
large member Wed Nov 15 13:30:17
I was surprised. Africa is outpacing gdp growth globally but of course. A function of population growth most of all. I imagine its gdp per capita is growing at global averages.

jergul
large member Wed Nov 15 13:35:26
Africa will be fine.

Smartphones = decentralized everything.
Tesla = decentralized energy.
Share economy = access to everything.

We need to intervene immediately to keep everything broken!

Hot Rod
Revved Up Wed Nov 15 18:30:06

jegul - A function of population growth most of all.

When you start with nothing you are going to have a high GDP. That's what happened to China Post Nixon, remember?

jergul
large member Thu Nov 16 03:19:17
High gdp growth*

Population growth is the singlemost important contributor to gdp. Technically people reaching workage.

Assuming the base gdp calculations were correct (and they usually are not correct in low gdp countries. Lots of economic activity takes place in a manner that is not tangible in gdp calculations).

jergul
large member Thu Nov 16 03:20:52
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_GDP_of_China

So, no on Nixon.

McKobb
Member Thu Nov 16 03:37:44
Damn, can the BBC just culturally appropriate like that?

jergul
large member Thu Nov 16 03:52:58
Mkobb
The answer to that is in the details. Its ok if bbc is using an accredited translator.

Seb
Member Thu Nov 16 07:24:33
Pidgin is a Caribbean language, and BBC caters to British Caribbean counties.

Zimbabwe doesn't yet pidgin, and has in think one of the highest proportion of English fluency in Africa.

Makes as much sense as posting a BBC story about Iceland in pidgin...

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Aeros Member	Tue Nov 14 18:07:48 Mugabe about to get Gaddafied. http://www...ital-after-army-chiefs-threat/ HARARE, Zimbabwe -- Zimbabwe was on edge Tuesday as armored personnel carriers were seen outside the capital a day after the army commander threatened to "step in" to calm political tensions over the president's possible successor, and the ruling party accused the commander of "treasonable conduct." The Associated Press saw three armored personnel carriers with several soldiers in a convoy heading toward an army barracks just outside the capital, Harare. While military vehicle movement there is routine, the timing heightened unease in this southern African country that for the first time is seeing an open rift between the military and 93-year-old President Robert Mugabe. The military has been a key pillar of Mugabe's power since independence from white minority rule in 1980. Mugabe, the world's oldest head of state, last week fired Vice President Emmerson Mnangagwa and accused him of plotting to take power, including through witchcraft. Mnangagwa, who enjoyed the military's backing and once was seen as a potential president, fled the country and said he had been threatened. Over 100 senior officials allegedly supporting him have been listed for disciplinary measures by a faction associated with Mugabe's wife, Grace. The first lady now appears positioned to replace Mnangagwa as one of the country's two vice presidents at a special conference of the ruling party in December, leading many in Zimbabwe to suspect that she could succeed her husband. Grace Mugabe is unpopular with some Zimbabweans because of lavish spending as many struggle, and four people accused of booing her at a recent rally were arrested. On Monday, army commander Constantino Chiwenga issued an unprecedented statement saying purges against senior ruling ZANU-PF party officials, many of whom like Mnangagwa fought for liberation, should end "forthwith." "We must remind those behind the current treacherous shenanigans that when it comes to matters of protecting our revolution, the military will not hesitate to step in," the army commander said. The state-run broadcaster did not report on his statement. ZANU-PF posted a statement on Twitter assuring the public "there is NO coup happening in Zimbabwe. Please continue with your lives and face up to your own problems." Showing a generational divide, the ruling party's youth league, aligned with the 52-year-old first lady, who on Tuesday criticized the army commander's comments, saying youth were "ready to die for Mugabe." On Tuesday night the ruling party issued a statement accusing the army commander of "treasonable conduct," saying his comments were "clearly calculated to disturb national peace and stability" and were "meant to incite insurrection." It was not clear whether the commander still had his post. State broadcaster Zimbabwe Broadcasting Corporation read out part of the ruling party statement late in the nightly news, which was led by a report on regional tourism. Elsewhere, the capital remained calm. The army spokesman was not immediately available for comment. "Yes, given the past two weeks' political events, it is tempting to speculate that there is a connection between the deployment of military personnel and the comments of the army chief of staff on an 'intervention' — but there are very real dangers of violence breaking out as a result of rampant and unfounded speculation," African Defence Review analyst Conway Waddington wrote Tuesday evening, saying there appeared to be no other signs of an "organized coup" and that it could have been an act of intimidation instead. Mugabe in the past has warned military commanders from interfering in succession politics. "Politics shall always lead the gun, and not the gun politics. Otherwise it will be a coup," he told supporters in July. Frustration has been growing in once-prosperous Zimbabwe as the economy collapses under Mugabe. The country was shaken last year by the biggest anti-government protests in a decade, and a once-loyal war veterans association turned on the president, calling him "dictatorial" and blaming him for the economic crisis. "Mnangagwa was held out by many as the best hope within ZANU-PF for piloting an economic recovery," analyst Piers Pigou with the International Crisis Group wrote Tuesday. Now, "Mugabe will have to employ all his guile if he intends to ensure continued accommodation with the armed forces."
Rugian Member	Tue Nov 14 19:11:08 "Mugabe, the world's oldest head of state, last week fired Vice President Emmerson Mnangagwa and accused him of plotting to take power, including through witchcraft." Ahahahahaha. Gotta love Mugabe, he never was one to fuck around when it came to destroying his opponents. If you're going to accuse your VP of plotting against you, you may as well go all the way and throw a witchcraft charge against him.
Renzo Marquez Member	Tue Nov 14 19:26:35 Mugabe finna eat dat nigga's heart.
Senor Marquez Member	Tue Nov 14 19:27:53 My wife loves it when I speak ghetto
obaminated Member	Tue Nov 14 19:29:17 Military is backing Mugabe, aint gonna be nothing but massacres.
Rugian Member	Tue Nov 14 19:29:57 Di mood for Zimbabwe dey mixed after army draw ear give President Robert Mugabe make im stop di sack sack of people wey fight for independence for inside di ruling ZANU-PF party. On Monday, Army chief general Constantino Chiwenga draw ear give Mugabe to stop after im sack Vice President Emmerson Mnangagwa. Dis na di latest sack wey according to tori na to pave way for Grace Mugabe to succeed. Chiwenga talk say if things no change, army go fit step in. ''Di thing wey dey happen now for inside di ZANU-PF party by people wey no get di freedom history of di party no surprise us…'' ''We get to remind di people wey dey behind am say wen e reach to protect our revolution, di military no go hesitate to step in.'' Di army oga talk dis one for tori meeting for Harare. Chiwenga, Mnangagwa and Mugabe all gather for di fight for independence from Britain. But since im talk dis one people don dey react. Di main opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) say dem must defend democracy. "Nobody wan see coup - no be say I dey talk say coup dey come, if di army take over dat one no pure at all..'' Na wetin on one of di party officials, Gift Chimanikire tell AFP tori people. ZANU-PF Youth bodi wey dey support Grace Mugabe well well, talk say dem no go allow Chiwenga pick leader for Zimbabwe. ''We go guard di revolution …like wetin di people of Turkey do last year, as dem spoil di plan of di rogue security people.'' Time for change? President Robert Mugabe don dey power since 1980 wen di country gain independence. First as Prime Minister from 1980-1987, before im begin rule as president since 1987. Dis no be di first time military mata go come up for politics for di country. For 2015, di president open mouth talk say security officials dey involve demselves for di country politics. Early dis year, im attack di military say dem dey chook eye inside di country politics, draw ear give dem make dem comot hand from who go rule di country mata. Dis declaration by di army oga don carry di mata go another level. E no dey clear yet how di mata go end, as di drama continue ahead of di election wey go take place for 2018. http://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-41987363
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 14 20:10:29 Damn you Rugian, I came back here to post that lol
yankeessuck123 Member	Wed Nov 15 03:08:07 One of Africa's least successful countries continues to spiral.
Daemon Member	Wed Nov 15 03:23:25 Are my trillions of Z$ now finally worthless? I'm ruined!
yankeessuck123 Member	Wed Nov 15 04:44:08 I bought a 100 trillion Zimbabwean dollar bill a few years back on eBay. It was $5.50 with shipping included.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Nov 15 06:01:37 don't despair yet, what if zimbabwe dollar shoots up like crazy
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Nov 15 07:02:46 Please hold your breath until it does.
rUgIaN Member	Wed Nov 15 07:31:59 I always knew Daemon was a gutless coward at heart. If a couple decades of hyperinflation and one sovereign default are enough to spook you, you don't belong in the investing business.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Nov 15 10:31:46 Rod is again being nasty to his only friend, for whatever absurd reason
Paramount Member	Wed Nov 15 12:31:15 Another day in Africa.
Dukhat Member	Wed Nov 15 12:37:43 Have to say, Zimbabwe shows why social justice warriors fail. The world was all happy to get rid of the racist white minority government and it got replaced with even worse shit. South Africa today is still a shit-hole except for the white parts and the white members constantly get attacked. Mandela was as good of a transition leader as you can get but most of the times you get a Mugabe. Now Mugabe's going to get deposed but the damage is done. Africa is such a shithole. We should spread a virus that sterilizes the whole damn continent.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Wed Nov 15 12:52:26 "Mugabe about to get Gaddafied." so the US and Europe are behind the coup. good to know.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 15 12:57:06 http://en....can_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
jergul large member	Wed Nov 15 13:30:17 I was surprised. Africa is outpacing gdp growth globally but of course. A function of population growth most of all. I imagine its gdp per capita is growing at global averages.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 15 13:35:26 Africa will be fine. Smartphones = decentralized everything. Tesla = decentralized energy. Share economy = access to everything. We need to intervene immediately to keep everything broken!
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Nov 15 18:30:06 jegul - A function of population growth most of all. When you start with nothing you are going to have a high GDP. That's what happened to China Post Nixon, remember?
jergul large member	Thu Nov 16 03:19:17 High gdp growth* Population growth is the singlemost important contributor to gdp. Technically people reaching workage. Assuming the base gdp calculations were correct (and they usually are not correct in low gdp countries. Lots of economic activity takes place in a manner that is not tangible in gdp calculations).
jergul large member	Thu Nov 16 03:20:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_GDP_of_China So, no on Nixon.
McKobb Member	Thu Nov 16 03:37:44 Damn, can the BBC just culturally appropriate like that?
jergul large member	Thu Nov 16 03:52:58 Mkobb The answer to that is in the details. Its ok if bbc is using an accredited translator.
Seb Member	Thu Nov 16 07:24:33 Pidgin is a Caribbean language, and BBC caters to British Caribbean counties. Zimbabwe doesn't yet pidgin, and has in think one of the highest proportion of English fluency in Africa. Makes as much sense as posting a BBC story about Iceland in pidgin...
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