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Average Ameriacn
Member Sat Nov 11 09:52:59
This could totally change to UN to MAGA:

http://www...-congress/house-bill/4237/text
(a) Prohibition.—United States assistance may not be provided to a country that opposed the position of the United States in the United Nations.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Sat Nov 11 11:07:36

Another excellent idea that is long past due.

earthpig
GTFO HOer Sat Nov 11 20:38:02
As vote-buying goes, this is pretty overt.

Aeros
Member Sat Nov 11 21:12:00
Why does this need to be a law though? This seems to be the sort of things that falls firmly in the Presidents diplomacy power.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Sat Nov 11 21:48:59

ep, Tell you what.

Next election please make a really huge donation to the candidate that you really do not want to win. The more you hate them and their agenda the better.

Same thing.

Aeros, a lot of things are understood, but not always followed.

jergul
large member Sun Nov 12 03:16:25
Fair enough. But unconstitutional under any circumstances where aid is given through bilateral treaties.

Treaties being the highest law of the land.

jergul
large member Sun Nov 12 06:11:33
Sorry seb. I was a bit overethusiastic on deleting multiple posts.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Sun Nov 12 06:29:17

jergul, So you would just send aid to NK just because their people need it?

jergul
large member Sun Nov 12 07:39:16
Is the US obligated by treaty to send aid to NK?

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Sun Nov 12 08:19:18
Quite the pandoras box that Trump now has opened. First order thinking rules the world. What are the next quarter job numbers? Re-election is soon back as a factor, better rush out all those shitty policies and laws! And around we go.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Sun Nov 12 09:08:51

I think they are just talking foreign aid.

Of course, if there is a treaty they are bound by it. Are we bound by treaty to aid Mexico against the cartels?

It's like the sanctuary cities question that is moving through the courts now.

Seb
Member Sun Nov 12 14:54:33
HotRod:

Is this a behaviour the US really wants to see globally?

Linking votes with aid means in international fora you are legitimizing the idea that for someone to vote for a position the US holds, what matters is whether the US has paid them for the vote rather than whether the principle is right or not. So the next time you want to organise sanctions, every one will have their cap out to see who throws some coins in it.

China is far more willing to outbribe you and has less constraints on spending it's budgets this way.

This severely weakens US diplomacy, not strengthens it.

Rugian
Member Sun Nov 12 17:02:54
Seb,

Congress' sole override of an Obama veto was for legislation that makes it legal to sue foreign governments for terrorism. Before that, both the US and the UK repeatedly ignored or abused international law to overthrow hostile governments in Iraq and Libya.

Setting examples that could eventually blow back on us is what we do bro.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Sun Nov 12 18:34:52

I still do not see the virtue in supporting those who hate us or despise our ideals.

Hell, I even hated to see us buy their oil.

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Average Ameriacn Member	Sat Nov 11 09:52:59 This could totally change to UN to MAGA: http://www...-congress/house-bill/4237/text (a) Prohibition.—United States assistance may not be provided to a country that opposed the position of the United States in the United Nations.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Nov 11 11:07:36 Another excellent idea that is long past due.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sat Nov 11 20:38:02 As vote-buying goes, this is pretty overt.
Aeros Member	Sat Nov 11 21:12:00 Why does this need to be a law though? This seems to be the sort of things that falls firmly in the Presidents diplomacy power.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Nov 11 21:48:59 ep, Tell you what. Next election please make a really huge donation to the candidate that you really do not want to win. The more you hate them and their agenda the better. Same thing. Aeros, a lot of things are understood, but not always followed.
jergul large member	Sun Nov 12 03:16:25 Fair enough. But unconstitutional under any circumstances where aid is given through bilateral treaties. Treaties being the highest law of the land.
jergul large member	Sun Nov 12 06:11:33 Sorry seb. I was a bit overethusiastic on deleting multiple posts.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Nov 12 06:29:17 jergul, So you would just send aid to NK just because their people need it?
jergul large member	Sun Nov 12 07:39:16 Is the US obligated by treaty to send aid to NK?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Nov 12 08:19:18 Quite the pandoras box that Trump now has opened. First order thinking rules the world. What are the next quarter job numbers? Re-election is soon back as a factor, better rush out all those shitty policies and laws! And around we go.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Nov 12 09:08:51 I think they are just talking foreign aid. Of course, if there is a treaty they are bound by it. Are we bound by treaty to aid Mexico against the cartels? It's like the sanctuary cities question that is moving through the courts now.
Seb Member	Sun Nov 12 14:54:33 HotRod: Is this a behaviour the US really wants to see globally? Linking votes with aid means in international fora you are legitimizing the idea that for someone to vote for a position the US holds, what matters is whether the US has paid them for the vote rather than whether the principle is right or not. So the next time you want to organise sanctions, every one will have their cap out to see who throws some coins in it. China is far more willing to outbribe you and has less constraints on spending it's budgets this way. This severely weakens US diplomacy, not strengthens it.
Rugian Member	Sun Nov 12 17:02:54 Seb, Congress' sole override of an Obama veto was for legislation that makes it legal to sue foreign governments for terrorism. Before that, both the US and the UK repeatedly ignored or abused international law to overthrow hostile governments in Iraq and Libya. Setting examples that could eventually blow back on us is what we do bro.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Nov 12 18:34:52 I still do not see the virtue in supporting those who hate us or despise our ideals. Hell, I even hated to see us buy their oil.
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