Utopia Talk / Politics / Dems behind accusations of Roy Moore

superdude Member	Fri Nov 10 22:30:10 Busted!!! Are lying deceitful creatures that must be defeated. http://www...for-joe-biden-other-democrats/
obaminated Member	Fri Nov 10 22:38:37 Rofl
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Nov 10 22:46:59 I'm not the least bit surprised.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Nov 10 23:02:06 yeah... through her work she provided sign language services to democrat politicians... she must be a lying sleazebag
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Nov 10 23:18:09 ...and she really let Roy have it with her lies: "Gibson said that in the spring of 1981, when she was 17, she openly dated Moore for two or three months with her mother’s knowledge and approval. She says that physical activity progressed to a kiss once in his bedroom and a second kiss at a local country club." oooh... if you are going to lie to sink him, do you add the mother part? but at least we see our 3 most gullible posters instantly accept a conspiracy theory based on a Breitbart article
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Nov 10 23:30:04 and Roy basically admitted dating her in his Hannity interview... after being non-committal on dating teens he said: "I don't remember ever dating any girl without the permission of her mother. And [one woman] said her mother actually encouraged her to go out with me" http://www...-relationships-with-teens.html from original WaPo article "Gibson says her mother asked her who the man was, and when Gibson said “Roy Moore,” her mother said, “I’d say you were the luckiest girl in the world.”" sounds like the same person to me (& one doing a TERRIBLE job if her goal was to smear him politically) damn... "that Busted!!!" really fell flat
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Nov 10 23:30:39 *damn... that "Busted!!!" really fell flat
hood Member	Fri Nov 10 23:47:59 One out of four. Sounds like typical odds of a democrat in AL.
superdud Member	Sat Nov 11 07:05:20 Don't judge me!
Daemon Member	Sat Nov 11 07:23:32 Maybe his bad breath turned her democratic?
Forwyn Member	Sat Nov 11 11:25:22 So of the four girls, assuming everything is true, one was asked on a date, two briefly dated with no real physical interaction, and he touched one girl over her bra in his car? lol
Turtle Crawler Admin	Sat Nov 11 11:32:44 Yeah I'm shocked SHOCKED I say. Married at 38 to a 24 year old, stayed married for 32 years now. I'm going to give him two thumbs up.
Turtle Crawler Admin	Sat Nov 11 11:35:07 4 children too. Yeah, we're gonna say hes legit.
Aeros Member	Sat Nov 11 21:14:02 Roy Moore should not be a Senator, but anyone who thinks we should just lynch somebody because some random bitch said he diddled her inappropriately 40 years ago needs to be shot. You've had 40 years to say something, so why now?
hood Member	Sat Nov 11 21:17:57 Oh Aeros. Stop being a fucking moron.
Aeros Member	Sat Nov 11 21:40:12 It is not moronic to demand evidence for such accusations. Our systems of government, both political and legal, cannot function in a society where all it takes is a random person to point and scream "WITCH" and then let the mob hysteria ensue. She has now made her accusation, and if it is true, she is permitted to make her case in a court of law and provide for the discernment of our citizenry proof beyond reasonable doubt. If she can't do that, she should instead be sued for defamation.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Nov 11 21:51:17 You are right on except for Moore not being the Senator. hood is the one being a moron.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Nov 11 22:04:24 there won't be a case in a court of law, this has to be done in the court of public opinion & there is substantial reason to believe the girl, & Roy's own comments are hurting him & as to Forwyn's mockery... molesting the 14 year-old is the case of most concern... dating the 17ish year-olds is just evidence of truth + general ickishness for many
Aeros Member	Sat Nov 11 22:29:13 "this has to be done in the court of public opinion" This statement is more terrifying then you can possibly imagine. The public is stupid, and open to the manipulation of passion and the suppression of reason. If there is no evidence this happened, it should not even be up for debate in any court, legal or otherwise. His statements sure, that's fine. But if there is no physical evidence this happened and all we have is her word as a testimony of faith, then the base assumption needs to be she is lying. Just as the burden of guilt lies upon the plaintiff in a criminal trial, so does the burden of truth fall upon an accuser in "the court of public opinion". In other words, she is lying until she can prove otherwise.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Nov 11 22:38:40 what physical evidence do you expect of a guy groping a girl 30 years ago? she says they met when her mother had a court appearance & records show she was there... theoretically he could've been on vacation or some other provable way so a risky story if all a lie... plus she has minimally 4 people also lying for her (friends/mother/ex-bf) & the judge essentially admitting to dating teens "she is lying until she can prove otherwise"... is a pretty horrifying comment too (not that she should be presumed honest, just not presumed a liar)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Nov 11 22:40:03 he's not facing jail if you side with the girl, he's facing not getting your vote
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Nov 11 22:58:25 i don't know if a transcript anywhere of the Hannity interview but these are the type of responses he gave: “Not generally, no” “It would not have been my customary behavior” “I don’t remember dating any girl without the permission of her mother.” "I know her as a friend but if we did go out on dates, I don't remember that" (of one of the 17 yr olds) these are clearly weasel/lawyer responses to mislead... and as a judge he'd be an expert on them
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Nov 11 23:04:14 i don't know what it was like to be a 30-something male in Alabama circa 1980... but what age girls would you be asking for mothers' permissions? which he apparently did enough times to remember it as a practice... i'm going to guess teens... or at least young enough to be odd & again this is all just to decide if you find him disgusting enough to affect your vote
Aeros Member	Sat Nov 11 23:04:52 And what happens when someone comes foreword and accuses the Democrat of "groping" them and offering a similar lack of evidence to back up the claim? This is what I mean about our systems of government not being able to sustain these sorts of wild accusations. Even political dirt should only become a valid voter question if there is substantiation to it. We can't just give credence and belief to every wild accusation on twitter. This is symptomatic of a wider problem, in that we are entering a new Red Scare, where the accusation is no longer being a communist, but being a rapist.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Nov 11 23:14:11 people can weigh whatever they want in voting... although deliberate liars will be risking law violations she has two friends who she told at the time a mother & ex-bf she told around 10 years later that's substantiation plus Moore's own creepy comments this story seems more believable than any political ad, which are basically always misleading garbage
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Nov 11 23:18:44 plus the 3 older teens are some substantiation... who Moore all but admits to dating once you unravel his weasel-speak
hood Member	Sun Nov 12 01:09:13 "It is not moronic to demand evidence for such accusations." Nobody here claimed it was. You said this: "You've had 40 years to say something, so why now?" Don't be a fucking moron, Aeros.
hood Member	Sun Nov 12 01:15:07 Also I should add that it's notoriously difficult to get evidence of such things even in real time. We could have multiple eye witness accounts of the Moore and the girl who was 14 interacting, yet that isn't enough to prove he acted inappropriately (i.e. sexual touching; I believe the word mentioned was fondling?). How would one prove that, with evidence, if it happened outside of the eye of any witnesses? It again comes down to hearsay. So, it's great and all to go on this crusade of "WE NEED SOME DAMN EVIDENCE" and all, but we also have to recognize that this could have happened yesterday and we still probably wouldn't be able to get solid evidence. Which brings me back to: don't be a fucking moron, Aeros.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Nov 12 03:03:48 It is a relevant question and should be assessed on a case by case basis. Politicizing an issue has downsides.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Nov 12 03:27:32 And unfortunatly sexual assault as a political issue has been full of exaggeration, lies and crying victims. Very difficult to have any sober and factual discussions about it. So all we get are hashtags. I am sure getting fondled is horrible, but is it more horrible than getting assaulted? We would forgive someone for having assaulted someone else a couple of decades ago, certainly would not destroy their career. Even someone who had slapped a minor. What makes sexual offences stand out? If we dig beyond the cultural and religious pov and norms. I have always thought that it is connected to the reality of reproduction. That it is a violation of the process by which we create new humans and that makes it worse. But then again we have shattered the ”sanctity” of that frame work already.
delude Member	Sun Nov 12 06:09:16 'I just can't believe the victims of the Catholic Church...'
patom Member	Sun Nov 12 06:38:00 Aeros: "And what happens when someone comes foreword and accuses the Democrat of "groping" them and offering a similar lack of evidence to back up the claim?" One dick pic is all it took to get rid of Weiner. Of course one of the defenses being offered by the evangelical crowd is that Joseph and Mary were years apart in age. Hell I imagine that a 30 something single assistant DA in a small southern town would have mothers with daughters just drooling to hook up their daughters with this stud.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Nov 12 11:35:58 delude Member Sun Nov 12 06:09:16 'I just can't believe the victims of the Catholic Church...' "I just can't believe anyone would lie". So what you and I "believe" is irrelevant, what matters is what you can prove. It matters all the more when whatever you are accused of becomes a hashtag movement that includes everything from serial rape, to awkward pick up attempts.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Nov 12 11:39:22 "One dick pic is all it took to get rid of Weiner." Actually, no. Wiener fucked up MULTIPLE times. So many times that wikipedia has en entire page dedicated solely to them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Weiner_sexting_scandals
obaminated Member	Sun Nov 12 12:21:41 Weiner did a lot of bad things before and after his public apology.
hood Member	Sun Nov 12 14:32:52 All it took was 1 dick pic to get Weiner out of office. Yeah, he buried himself even further later, but that is immaterial to his Exodus from public service.
obaminated Member	Sun Nov 12 16:59:24 One dick pic didnt get rid of him from public service. He was a front runner for mayor of nyc until he was exposed again.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Nov 12 18:07:20 OMG OMGO OMG!!! BREITBART "EXCLUSIVE – Mother of Roy Moore Accuser: Washington Post Reporters Convinced My Daughter to Go Public" http://www...-convinced-daughter-go-public/ of course this actually lends credence to her account not the opposite, plus the WaPo already freely admitted they found the accusers after hearing the rumors during a months long investigation AND that they were reluctant to come forward... but... let's pretend this shows WaPo is the villain!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Nov 12 18:11:36 and article is full of idiotic comments too... how dare reporters track down a story...
obaminated Member	Sun Nov 12 19:34:07 Tw, quit trying to make this fake news a real thing, its not gonna happen.
mexicantardnado Member	Sun Nov 12 19:35:29 duuurr, news I don't like is fake news duuuuuuur
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Nov 12 20:39:07 everything suggests it's true, even Roy's choice of words in denying it
Forwyn Member	Sun Nov 12 21:54:05 And if it is? Not terribly out of the ordinary for the time.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Nov 12 22:02:30 then you can tack on him being a liar for calling it fake news
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Nov 12 22:26:08 saying it's not a big deal is a much more respectable position than saying it's all fake because it's the Washington Post or because of the timing the timing question is already answered by the fact the women were reluctant to come forward (as WaPo stated in its own article & Breitbart 'shockingly' uncovered) and there's no history of WaPo paying people to make up lies there is a disturbing trend that seems created (or at least majorly fueled) by captain idiot converting the idea of media bias into flat out fake news
obaminated Member	Sun Nov 12 23:13:59 Let me clarify. This isn't gonna matter. Real or fake, as i said previously, it happened so long ago. It will be viewed as gospel truth by the left. It will be viewed as bullshit attacks by the right. And middle of the road people will just shrug it off because it becomes so murky. Thus, dismissed as fake news. It wont matter and will be forgotten in a month.
Aeros Member	Sun Nov 12 23:45:14 Waiting for a political campaign to be under way as the trigger to come foreword pretty much assures these things will remains unproven allegations. As for my "Why now" statement, its not like Roy Moore is new to politics here. He's run twice for the State Supreme Court.
delude Member	Mon Nov 13 04:47:56 "Not terribly out of the ordinary for the time. " lmao!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 13 13:38:41 Gloria Allred is coming forward with another accuser... i'm sure the hill people of Alabama respect Gloria Allred
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 13 13:44:58 not really related at all: "Menendez jury informed the judge it is deadlocked on all 12 counts in Sen. Menendez’s corruption case" (judge told them to keep trying)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 13 14:12:03 an emotional woman is giving a detailed account of Roy's attempted rape of her w/ Gloria trying hard to get in camera frame
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 13 14:17:12 Roy Moore signed her yearbook... suggesting some kind of weird relationship (or more fake news!)
Aeros Member	Mon Nov 13 16:16:02 Yeah, this one looks bad. Gloria Allred is a cunt, but that lady was really believable in her account of what happened.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 13 16:24:52 or... she's a secret Roy Moore plant who will be proven a liar thus discrediting all of the allegations (& Gloria who no one likes) this is the yearbook signage, seems to say "To a sweeter more beautiful girl I could not say 'Merry Christmas' Christmas 1977, Love, Roy Moore" http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOibV01XUAAH7C0.jpg seems weird to me he'd write "Christmas 1977"... but we'll see if he even denies writing the thing or gives more weird roundabout answers
delude Member	Mon Nov 13 16:34:04 But, but, but, fake news!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 13 17:53:46 " This past weekend, I spoke or messaged with more than a dozen people—including a major political figure in the state—who told me that they had heard, over the years, that Moore had been banned from the mall because he repeatedly badgered teen-age girls. Some say that they heard this at the time, others in the years since. These people include five members of the local legal community, two cops who worked in the town, several people who hung out at the mall in the early eighties, and a number of former mall employees. (A request for comment from the Moore campaign was not answered.) Several of them asked that I leave their names out of this piece. The stories that they say they’ve heard for years have been swirling online in the days since the Post published its report. “Sources tell me Moore was actually banned from the Gadsden Mall and the YMCA for his inappropriate behavior of soliciting sex from young girls,” the independent Alabama journalist Glynn Wilson wrote on his Web site on Sunday. (Wilson declined to divulge his sources.) Teresa Jones, a deputy district attorney for Etowah County in the early eighties, told CNN last week that “it was common knowledge that Roy dated high-school girls.” Jones told me that she couldn’t confirm the alleged mall banning, but said, “It’s a rumor I’ve heard for years.” more: http://www...teen-girls-at-the-gadsden-mall
Renzo Marquez Member	Mon Nov 13 18:37:23 Ovendodgers are so desperate to believe!
Senor Marquez Member	Mon Nov 13 18:40:56 I love my negro children.
Senor Marquez Member	Mon Nov 13 18:41:13 I love my negro children.
Renzo Marquez Member	Mon Nov 13 18:45:02 Is that Seb or the autistic tranny Llywelyn?
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Nov 13 18:46:45 " Sources tell me Moore was actually banned from the Gadsden Mall and the YMCA for his inappropriate behavior of soliciting sex from young girls" how is that possible that his GOP primary opponent campaign didn't discover this story? what a seriously inept outfit
Senor Marquez Member	Mon Nov 13 18:46:48 If a race war ever happen, I will kill my wife and kids just to show I mean business.
Aeros Member	Mon Nov 13 18:55:18 Waiting 1 month before an election to come foreword though is a huge mistake. Everything you say will be prejudged based upon the political realities of the situation. Especially since if the Republicans lose this election the Democrats gain control of the Senate. There is HUGE incentive here to manufacture a scandal. Everyone can see it. The fact that it may very well be true cannot seperate itself from this situation. The time to come foreword was during the Primaries, when the Republicans could have dumped Moore and gone with Strange. Coming foreword NOW reeks of blatant political opportunism.
delude Member	Mon Nov 13 18:58:34 Oh well.
hood Member	Mon Nov 13 19:02:52 "Coming foreword NOW reeks of blatant political opportunism." Seemed like perfect timing in Nov 2016. Republitards were chomping at the bit for that opportunism. Guy is possibly a pedo who not just found young girls attractive, but actively harassed them. So much so to be banned from a mall. Doesn't matter when this revelation happens, anyone with an ounce of integrity should be considering the possibility that it's all legit. Even more so now when the evidence is just piling up.
Renzo Marquez Member	Mon Nov 13 19:05:37 No evidence is piling up. You are citing unsubstantiated assertions (e.g., banned from mall) as facts.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 13 19:12:36 nobody 'came forward', there's no suspicious timing... reporters heard the rumors while investigating Moore in general (as he has many colorful aspects), and coaxed people into finally telling their stories and as with all the other allegation avalanches, once some are willing to talk others feel emboldened
delude Member	Mon Nov 13 19:13:27 Yes, evidence is piling up.
hood Member	Mon Nov 13 19:23:32 "No evidence is piling up" Witness testimony is evidence, "lawyer."
Renzo Marquez Member	Mon Nov 13 19:33:55 hood Member Mon Nov 13 19:23:32 "Witness testimony is evidence, "lawyer."" Not credible 40 years later and one month before a major election.
delude Member	Mon Nov 13 19:49:58 Oh? I mean I guess it didn't matter in the Byron De La Beckwith with testimonies that were decades later. Or how about the church sex abuse cases, yeah, not credible, shouldn't be considered evidence. I'm sorry, you're a 'lawyer'? Learn2lawyer.
Trolly Member	Mon Nov 13 19:54:28 He plays one on 4chan.
Aeros Member	Mon Nov 13 19:56:57 Any defense lawyer worth his salt would eviscerate these claims in court. That is why this will never see court room. If I was a defense lawyer, my first expert witness would explain "Memory implantation" and how it can occur over time, especially with events that happened decades ago. My second expert witness would be a political spin doctor like Karl Rove to explain dirty tricks in the political business, and then in my closing statements I would point out the women had 40 years to come foreword with their accusations of a crime, but instead chose to do so 4 weeks before a Senatorial election that threatened to swing the national political dynamic. I guarantee I would win.
Aeros Member	Mon Nov 13 20:01:57 What infurtiates me is that once again the Democrats have fallen into the stupid SJW Identity Politics trap. They simply assume that bandying about accusations now are going to work, and that Gloria Allred representing a crying lady explaining how she got groped in the 1970s by Roy Moore will somehow scupper his candidacy. Its not btw. I can't stand Roy Moore, and I wish the Democrats all the best in their efforts to retake the Senate, but this tactic looks like they took a sample ballot of their own base and assumed this would work with the opposition. Its not going too. The Evangelicals and the Alabama Republicans are going to circle the wagons, and accuse these women of being everything from blatant liars to manipulated tools. And after its all over, Roy Moore will be elected anyway and the Daily Beast will write shrill headlines about how Toxic Masculinity once again won, ignoring the fact that the shrill screaming of identity politics and the new red scare about men LITERALLY ALMOST RAPING SO MANY WOMEN has drowned out accusations of legitimate abuse.
hood Member	Mon Nov 13 20:11:35 "Any defense lawyer worth his salt would eviscerate these claims in court" That wasn't the statement. The statement was that there wasn't any evidence piling up. There clearly is. Some of it credible. Beyond that, accusations like this are already notoriously difficult to prove in court because the evidence is generally pretty soft. Eye witnesses, personal accounts. You don't get to have that tidy DNA match. You don't see a fingerprint match. So citing court as a defense is utter bullshit. Multiple coworkers said they had heard of this stuff. Many investigative journalists are coming out and saying they've heard rumors for a while. Multiple accusations, apparent bannings from multiple locations due to his inappropriate behavior. Could he still be innocent? Certainly. Are the odds of that narrowing? Yes. Do court proceedings matter in the slightest? No.
Renzo Marquez Member	Mon Nov 13 20:16:03 hood Member Mon Nov 13 20:11:35 "That wasn't the statement. The statement was that there wasn't any evidence piling up." I saw hood raping a baby. That's evidence.
Aeros Member	Mon Nov 13 20:16:17 I have said I believe the accusations. I also think they won't matter. The timing of it is terrible, especially from a culture war perspective. Roy Moore is rapidly becoming the standard bearer of the Mens Rights side of the identity politics debacle. A truly sickening outcome, but then the statement "war makes strange allies" is very true. I don't doubt these women want some semblance of Justice, but the people who brought them out into the public eye are not interested in justice. they are interested in winning an election. And for that reason I honestly can say I want Roy Moore to win. This sort of political chicanery cannot be allowed to prevail. They are doing it now because they know they have enough circumstantial evidence to make it stick. But what about the next time? Where do we draw the line on accusations that can never be legally proven in our political elections? I for one do not want to discover where that boundary lies.
delude Member	Mon Nov 13 20:24:46 "I saw hood raping a baby. That's evidence. " No, you made a declarative without anything to support, versus others who have made declaratives that reaches to the levels of claims supported by accounts with supplementary.
American Democrat Member	Mon Nov 13 20:30:00 "hood Member Mon Nov 13 20:11:35 "That wasn't the statement. The statement was that there wasn't any evidence piling up." I saw hood raping a baby. That's evidence. " This is laughable. What logical support do you have for this?
Renzo Marquez Member	Mon Nov 13 20:36:44 delude Member Mon Nov 13 20:24:46 "No, you made a declarative without anything to support, versus others who have made declaratives that reaches to the levels of claims supported by accounts with supplementary." Nonsense. I stated what I witnessed. My eyewitness account is evidence. American Democrat Member Mon Nov 13 20:30:00 "This is laughable. What logical support do you have for this?" Logical support? I'm just telling you what I saw. I don't know why he was raping that baby. I just know what I saw.
Renzo Marquez Member	Mon Nov 13 20:37:23 And it's pretty gross that you think hood raping that baby is "laughable".
American Democrat Member	Mon Nov 13 20:41:10 Not to answer for delude, but; "Nonsense. I stated what I witnessed. My eyewitness account is evidence. " No it would not. You are making a statement with nothing to support it. "Logical support? I'm just telling you what I saw. I don't know why he was raping that baby. I just know what I saw. " Again you are making this statement, what is the logical support behind it. Where did this happened? When did it happened, do you know hood personally, if so for how long? Have you met him before, do you know what he looks like? Could you describe the scene of where this took place, the location, the area, the time of day or night. Who was the baby, have you seen the baby before? Describe the baby, the age, race, did it have hair, was it alive when you seen this occurrence. What support do you have with your statement, this is your claim correct?
American Democrat Member	Mon Nov 13 20:47:46 "And it's pretty gross that you think hood raping that baby is "laughable". " It is pretty laughable that the point you are trying to make, just like the other thread that you ran away from, still didn't offer any support to your assertion. I do understand the point you are poorly attempting, but you are wrong on this especially in regards what is being supportive with the victims claims that are backed with articulable accounts. No matter how you 'feel' in regards of the timing. With the account given, it would elude to the fact that 'evidence' is mounting. If this were ever to go to trial, then these accounts would be taken as credible, considering the logical support and analysis behind it. Then the statements given can be dissected. But, back to the point you attempting to make. You must have some support, other than, "I saw this." Okay, you seen it, what did you do about it? So you are claiming that you witnessed a criminal act, a felonious act at that and failed to report it. I then would have to look at the law of your state in order to determined if it was required as a citizen to report the crime. Then would have to take into the account that you are not a victim, but only a witness. So therefore you claim you made about witness such a heinous act has to be supported by something. What is the motive behind your claim?
delude Member	Mon Nov 13 20:51:01 "Nonsense. I stated what I witnessed. My eyewitness account is evidence. " "eyewitness account" which was?
Renzo Marquez Member	Mon Nov 13 21:02:56 American Democrat Member Mon Nov 13 20:41:10 "No it would not. You are making a statement with nothing to support it." I'm telling you what I saw happening. My eyewitness account is evidence. "Again you are making this statement, what is the logical support behind it." Logical support? I saw it happen. "What support do you have with your statement, this is your claim correct?" I'm not making any claims. I'm telling you what happened. Just like the 16 year olds Moore dated. American Democrat Member Mon Nov 13 20:47:46 "It is pretty laughable that the point you are trying to make, just like the other thread that you ran away from, still didn't offer any support to your assertion." Which thread is that "American Democrat"? I'm not familiar. Maybe it was one of your multis. "I do understand the point you are poorly attempting, but you are wrong on this especially in regards what is being supportive with the victims claims that are backed with articulable accounts. No matter how you 'feel' in regards of the timing. With the account given, it would elude to the fact that 'evidence' is mounting. If this were ever to go to trial, then these accounts would be taken as credible, considering the logical support and analysis behind it." You don't have a clue. You should just stop while you are way behind. "Then the statements given can be dissected. But, back to the point you attempting to make. You must have some support, other than, "I saw this." Okay, you seen it, what did you do about it? So you are claiming that you witnessed a criminal act, a felonious act at that and failed to report it. I then would have to look at the law of your state in order to determined if it was required as a citizen to report the crime." Or you could stop being a retard. "Then would have to take into the account that you are not a victim, but only a witness. So therefore you claim you made about witness such a heinous act has to be supported by something. What is the motive behind your claim?" It's not one month before a major election and I witnessed hood raping a baby less than 40 years ago. delude Member Mon Nov 13 20:51:01 ""eyewitness account" which was?" I saw hood raping a baby.
American Democrat Member	Mon Nov 13 21:14:17 "I'm telling you what I saw happening. My eyewitness account is evidence. " Then support it. You haven't done that. You keep state that this particular poster was raping a baby, support what you saw. You keep avoiding it. Therefore logically, I can presume that you are making an outrageous claim for sensationalistic purpose other than supporting what you seen. The questions were asked, stop avoiding. "Logical support? I saw it happen. " And you were asked, exactly what did you see. Something you are clearly avoiding as you do not define. It's okay though, I understand, this may be a little traumatic for you. Or you could be like the recent appointee and never done a trial before. It's okay though, seriously. Don't dwell on it. "I'm not making any claims. I'm telling you what happened. Just like the 16 year olds Moore dated. " Oh, you mean those same claims that are actually supported by various accounts with logical rational that is supplemental? So, you're not making the claim, but yet offer no articulable support other than "I saw" which translate a claim for right now considering once again, no logical support and articulable facts behind it. I see. "Which thread is that "American Democrat"? I'm not familiar. Maybe it was one of your multis. " Or maybe it was one of your 'drive-by' comments that you typically do and then run away. I can't recall the thread, but I will look. "You don't have a clue. You should just stop while you are way behind. " This is coming from the one that previously claimed there is no evidence 'piling up', sit down child. "Or you could stop being a retard. " Or you could stop trying to play lawyer? "It's not one month before a major election and I witnessed hood raping a baby less than 40 years ago. " The timing is irrelevant in regards to the election. However the heinous act that was committed that you failed to report is criminal as well, what prevented you to report that criminal act during that time? Go find another forum to play your 'lawyer role'. kthxbye.
American Democrat Member	Mon Nov 13 21:16:22 Oh, for your short-term memory loss; http://www...hread=81463&time=1510547828078
delude Member	Mon Nov 13 21:18:39 RM getting pwned, lulz.
delude Member	Mon Nov 13 21:21:12 "I saw hood raping a baby." Yeah, you said that. Are you able to describe the raping? Was there penetration, how was the baby being molested. I mean, seriously as pointed out by AD, what are the specifics other than. "Duh, I don't know, I just said I see hood rape a baby." I saw Jesus.
Aeros Member	Mon Nov 13 21:37:54 The fact that you saw Jesus is as believable as the claim this woman was groped by Roy Moore. All things being equal, maybe you did see Jesus. A fervent believer in Christ would be willing to give you all the benefits of doubt. People who believe all men are rapists would likewise be willing to believe that the claim of a woman that she was groped by Moore 40 years after the fact but 4 weeks before a major federal election was purely based upon a desire to get the truth out. For the discerning audience though, there is the simple demand of proof. Mainly, evidence provided that is not from the ranks of the fully converted. A Catholic Bishop will whole heartedly believe your claim of seeing Jesus, but rational minds would like to see the video tape. Its quite likely you DID see Jesus, and that Jesus said things to you. But to demand that society react to your claim of seeing Jesus requires more then your word.
delude Member	Mon Nov 13 21:42:54 "Moore 40 years after the fact but 4 weeks before a major federal election was purely based upon a desire to get the truth out. " To be a victim of a priest of the catholic church then waiting 30 years later to present this is to bring discredit to the newly anointed Pope and the Catholic Church. This is an attack on Christianity.
Aeros Member	Mon Nov 13 21:56:04 Sometimes, when I try to understand a persons motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What is the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say, and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, how well does that reason explain what they say, and what they do. So tell me. What is the worst thing Gloria Allred could want?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 13 21:56:20 -multiple women have told their stories -multiple acquaintances who were told contemporaneously or years later have corroborated -multiple people heard rumors or were aware firsthand of Moores behavior around teens, including possible bans from teen hangouts -Roy Moore gave concerning answers during the friendliest of possible interviews -Moore signed a 16 yr olds yearbook "Love, Roy Moore"... (can cross this from list if he claims forgery) So, 98% chance he pursued teens regularly in his 30s and more reason than not to assume he crossed lines occasionally Vote as you will
Aeros Member	Mon Nov 13 22:04:55 Anyone who votes against Roy Moore at this point is inviting a poisonous witch hunt into our political system. A witch hunt that will be made all the worst in the coming years as the Facebook generation starts to think about running for political office. Modern Democracy will not survive these pogroms, and I say this with all seriousness. The only system of government that would be capable of defending the liberal order from the future portrayed in the book Fahrenheit 451, where all of society in complicit in an illiberal panopticon would be hereditary Monarchy that is not answerable to the people. This might be hyperbole, but the sad truth is watching the social media hysteria over rape accusations has led me to conclude that social media was a grievous mistake and efforts like the one now targeted at Roy Moore (however justified) now post an existential threat to the American Republic.
Wrath of Orion Member	Mon Nov 13 22:20:35 "This might be hyperbole" Do you post anything but hyperbole these days?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 13 22:52:25 either Trumpians will feel robbed of their god-boy hero or the Republican party will at least appear to have elected a child predator more discord either way, just as president Putin wants
hood Member	Mon Nov 13 23:14:10 Renzo, may I have your address so that I might serve you some libel papers?
Forwyn Member	Mon Nov 13 23:43:15 Note that the truth serves as an absolute defense to libel.
hood Member	Tue Nov 14 00:08:00 Indeed it does. I'd be mighty impressed if he was able to provide a truth wherein I have raped a baby. Thus, libel.
Renzo Marquez Member	Tue Nov 14 05:37:23 tumbleweed the wanderer Mon Nov 13 21:56:20 "-multiple women have told their stories" And only 2 of them have alleged attempted sex crimes. The others were over the age of consent and have said nothing sexual happened. They're only part of the story to con fools. "-multiple acquaintances who were told contemporaneously or years later have corroborated -multiple people heard rumors or were aware firsthand of Moores behavior around teens, including possible bans from teen hangouts" OMG muh rumors. Lock him up. "-Roy Moore gave concerning answers during the friendliest of possible interviews" What are the concerning answers? That he dated 16 year olds? That he asked their fathers for permission first? None of that is illegal. "-Moore signed a 16 yr olds yearbook "Love, Roy Moore"... (can cross this from list if he claims forgery)" He signed something 40 years ago. Therefore, he must have attempted rape. QED.
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