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superdude
Member
Wed Nov 08 13:52:28
one year ago today America took back the country.
Admittedly the day began bleakly with naysayers and unbelievers saying we were doomed to at least four more years of Obama. More likly 8 years of misery, oppression, and death. Then Florida turned red,then Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania,and finally Michigan. America had finally defeated and took the country back from the corrupt, the evil, and the lazy.

Average Ameriacn
Member
Wed Nov 08 13:55:28
Three-volley salute today!
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 08 14:40:30

It felt almost like a second coming of The Founding Fathers.



Paramount
Member
Wed Nov 08 15:15:51
I watched the news just now and a Swedish reporter visited some steel production plant, Quaker City Castings, in the US, and the manager there said they were more tired of waiting than tired of winning.

So it sounds like Trump hasn’t delivered what he promised yet. So what is there to celebrate? lol
Paramount
Member
Wed Nov 08 15:24:28
I think its mostly democrats who celebrates today. lol

http://www...egion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
John Adams
Member
Thu Nov 09 05:01:31
"It felt almost like a second coming of The Founding Fathers. "

Surely you jest.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 09 07:50:07

Hardly, if you don't see the truth in that then you have the wrong tag.

Of course, it is a play on words, but it points out that much of what Trump wants to do will bring back some of the Country the Founding Fathers intended us to have.

hood
Member
Thu Nov 09 09:22:00
If by that you mean "conditions equatable to the late 1700s," then yes, Trump is doing exactly that.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 09 10:23:05

Do you think that lonely brain cell of yours will ever divide so that you can be as smart as paramounted?

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 09 10:27:47
Trump calls for slavery:
"who can blame a country for being able to take advantage of another country for the benefit of its citizens?"
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 09 10:55:23

I know you cannot answer this because it is another of *YOUR* lies.

But, just what country is President Trump taking advantage of?

hood
Member
Thu Nov 09 10:57:02
Well, he's been taking advantage of US citizens for his own benefit from day 1.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 09 11:11:14

Keep working on that cell split.


As I understand tw he is implying that President Trump is taking advantage of another country.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 09 11:33:06
he was talking about China taking advantage of us... he is now totally chummy with them because they give him nice parades & pamper him & approve his daughter's trademarks

...he didn't label them a currency manipulator day one as promised
hood
Member
Thu Nov 09 11:34:25
Yes, that is what to wear saying with his quote of trump. I was just citing a country that Trump is taking advantage of.
Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist
Thu Nov 09 11:47:19
'But, just what country is President Trump taking advantage of?'

NAFTA renegotiations are more than enough proof that he's willing to fuck anyone up the ass, regardless of longstanding alliances, if he thinks it will make America even a single extra buck.

Of course, we could just look to the longstanding tradition of North America getting the bulk of its goods from countries with atrocious conditions where the workers don't even receive a peasant wage, and are literally enslaved by their government, i.e. China.




'It felt almost like a second coming of The Founding Fathers.'

I'll admit that I don't know much about this subject, because they didn't found my country anyways, but I doubt the founding fathers were compulsive liars who cared more about petty name calling and playing golf than running a country.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 09 14:44:01

tw - ...he didn't label them a currency manipulator day one as promised


That was before he found out how serious the threat of North Korea is.

Or do you approve of NK having nukes?

They have a right to self-defense. Right?

obaminated
Member
Thu Nov 09 20:46:45
The slow building meltdown of leftists as it became more and more apparent that trump grabbed pussy and was still being elected geotus, was glorious.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 09 20:56:29
his continuous bullshit, childish behavior, and never demonstrating a smidgen of accurate knowledge on any issue concerned me more
American Democrat
Member
Thu Nov 09 21:16:34
"Or do you approve of NK having nukes?

They have a right to self-defense. Right?"

Why not, the argument goes in regards to the 2nd amendment that we worship is to have guns for self-defense.

So if NK has nukes for self-defense, why should it matter to us?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 09 22:06:15

We, supposedly, do not allow our crazy people to have guns but, obviously, some slip through the crack.


Kim has not slipped through the crack. He is a batshit crazy dictator and the worst thing the world can do is allow him to have nukes.

The second worst thing the world can do is allow Iran to have nukes.


For those two reasons alone you should be thankful that we have Trump as President because he is the only one that has the leadership to stop both countries.

No one else could possibly do it.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 09 22:07:34


BTW, 'American Democrat' is a contradiction in terms.

Cherub Cow
Member
Thu Nov 09 23:02:26
"geotus"
Lol, that's good :D
American Democrat
Member
Thu Nov 09 23:14:31
"We, supposedly, do not allow our crazy people to have guns but, obviously, some slip through the crack."

Yes we do. NRA and Republicans recanted and repealed measures in background checks that would include those with mental disorders. They are allowed to purchase and own guns. So you're wrong on that.

"Kim has not slipped through the crack. He is a batshit crazy dictator and the worst thing the world can do is allow him to have nukes. "

Crazy is subjective. What exactly is crazy about him?

"The second worst thing the world can do is allow Iran to have nukes. "

Why? Goes back to the argument. Guns to defend ourselves. Then countries can have nukes for their defense.

American Democrat
Member
Thu Nov 09 23:15:36
"For those two reasons alone you should be thankful that we have Trump as President because he is the only one that has the leadership to stop both countries. "

No. He has no leadership abilities as demonstrated ever since he ran and became president.

"No one else could possibly do it. "

Other presidents have. Learn your history.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 09 23:42:43
"has the leadership"

yeah, look at how well he has brought the country together...
John Adams
Member
Fri Nov 10 10:09:08
"Hardly, if you don't see the truth in that then you have the wrong tag. "

The bias you display is rather astounding as it seems you lost all objectivity of this current president displays and possesses in regards to his handling of various affairs.

"Of course, it is a play on words, but it points out that much of what Trump wants to do will bring back some of the Country the Founding Fathers intended us to have. "

And this is where you are murky. The principles instilled by the founding fathers allowed us to progress to keep up with the modern changes in society. This is where most people, who are ignorant about the spirit, projection, and bigger picture, of their intentions fail. As they always use this form of argument, yet forget that in reality it is a form of regression.

Going backwards, as Trump is doing, along bringing those who have thoughts that predates the 19th century, is not the way to go.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Nov 10 10:44:11

"The principles instilled by the founding fathers allowed us to progress to keep up with the modern changes in society."


In a sense, I find no problem with that. But I don't see that as an excuse to abrogate the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

Take a moment to reflect on that and I think you will see that that is just two of the roadblocks that the Progressives need to destroy in their attempt to reach a socialistic worldwide government.

That seems to be their goal anyway.

If it is not then all I can see as their goal is what Jerry Rubin spoke of in his book 'DO IT'. He talked of tearing down society without offering an alternative to replace it.

When you look at the chaos they engender that may very well be their goal too. Hard to tell for sure.


John Adams
Member
Fri Nov 10 10:59:09
"In a sense, I find no problem with that. But I don't see that as an excuse to abrogate the 1st and 2nd Amendments. "

The times have changed in regards to that. 2nd Amendment allows us to bear arms, but look at the entirety of it, including various interpretations. Individual theories and the collective theories approach. Again, this has gotten murky in regards to gun rights.

As for the first amendment; People get mixed up with the spirit of the first amendment and not fully understanding what is the violation of the first amendment.

"Take a moment to reflect on that and I think you will see that that is just two of the roadblocks that the Progressives need to destroy in their attempt to reach a socialistic worldwide government. That seems to be their goal anyway. "

Totally disagree with that propagandist view. There is no doubt that there are a facet of people that have many political view points that would suppress such concepts. But the reality is they are so much a minority it isn't a blimp on the radar. Versus those who buy into that portrayal of information thus creating a conditioning to think that this is happening. I.E. Racists are becoming more forefront and attempting to take hold to set back minorities. Which is patently false as there are isolated incidents or instances.






obaminated
Member
Fri Nov 10 12:15:44
The new Netflix doc, 11.8.16 is a great film of the glorious day, complete with super arrogant and dismissive liberals going from election day glee to utter tears and panic. Also. Rofl at them immediately discounting the election.
Mexicantardnado
Member
Fri Nov 10 12:17:22
Planned parenthood, planned parenthood, planned parenthood
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Nov 10 13:37:09

This is long and I have put a lot of time and effort into putting it together for you. I hope you will read it in its entirety and give it some serious thought.



Who has made the 2nd Amendment murky and why?

The Amendment is very clear, but of course, the times have changed as far as the way it is viewed.

Modern opponents think it was written to protect the citizen from Indians. Modern proponents think it was written to protect us from criminals and mass murderers. While the real reason it was included so prominently in The Bill of Rights was to protect the citizens from an oppressive government. A reason so obviously true today.

Unfortunately, the Progressives have succeeded in depriving the honest and non-violent citizen of machine guns, artillery, tanks and fighter aircraft.

I'm not advocating that those weapons be allowed, but if you think about it there really is no reason for an honest and non-violent citizen to own any of them.



"As for the first amendment; People get mixed up with the spirit of the first amendment and not fully understanding what is the violation of the first amendment."


Ask yourself how they get mixed up and who mixes them up.

Of course, it was written to prohibit the government from prohibiting freedom of speech. But, you see most of the obstructions to freedom of speech on college campus' and that has spilled over into public demonstrations and, most, unfortunately, within the family itself.

The spirit of the Amendment is to have the free discourse of opposing viewpoints without shooting the other person down or without resorting to violence.

(An aside: As far as the free press is concerned it was included to allow the press, without government interference, the freedom, and the right, to tell the truth. Not to make up lies and/or take sides. Meaning not to choose the left over the right or vice versa. That is what President Trump is fighting for, the right, and obligation, for the press to tell the truth.)



As for your last paragraph, I hardly know where to begin.

There is much more than a blip on the radar that opposes those two Amendments as roadblocks to reach their goal of dominating the American public.

First of all, they have infiltrated the education system to the point that it is nearly an arm of the Progressives.

Same goes for the American people. Just look at the last election. They say that three million more people voted for Hillary than for Trump. The only thing that saved us was The Electoral College. Can you imagine where we would be right now with Hillary in charge? I can and it is the scariest scenario that I can imagine for our great country.

You bring up racism, that is merely a tool of the left and a fairly minor one at that. where was racism 12 years ago?

We had, in our society, a black man that had reached the pinnacle of Chairman of The Joint Chief of Staff and went on to become SecState. We had a black woman that was the National Security Advisor and she became the SecState. Then a black man was even elected president. The trouble is, that particular black man was the wrong one for president.

Sure, there was racism in the country. But we had made fantastic advances since the '50's and '6 60's.

Actually, the advances started in 1948 when Truman reversed the order of that racist president Woodrow Wilson who segregated the military decades before. Truman was the next to last of the decent democrat presidents.

After the peaceful demonstrations led by The Reverand Martin Luther King that was instrumental in getting The Civil Right Act of 1964 passed. That Act sped up the road to acceptance of the Black People into American Society in spite of its faults.

Things were going along fairly smoothly when blacks started getting jobs they were always entitled to. People were getting to understand that people were people and the only riots I remember were when racist juries let go racist cops when they were obviously guilty. Those were few and far between and short lived.

This all changed when Obama was elected and he started painting the black an as the victim no matter how many time he was proven wrong starting with the belligerent college professor and Ferguson and emphasized when he had Al Sharpton and his cronies to The White House for a closed-door meeting.

But, as I said racism is a minor tool. Their big gun is Political Correctness. Can you imagine a concept that is more evil?

Just two little words and with them they can attack every facet of our society. Everything from a religion where they can have a Nativity Scene removed from in front of a fire station that had set there every Christmas for years to removing The Ten Commandments and Crosses from every public site and more.

It is even being used to take away our history because certain symbols hurt peoples feelings.

Everything from Confederate statues to anyone who held even a few slaves no matter their stature in American history and their contribution to creating The United States. Even though they became outstanding abolitionists in their later years.

Now they are trying to change or take away our National Anthem because of a few ambiguous words in the third stanza which most of us don't even know they are there or even realize they are "hurtful" to some. I read the entire lyrics several times in my younger days but saw no significance in them.

PC has created young people that need counseling after someone scrawled Trump's name on the sidewalk in chalk.

Such an insidious tool is hard to imagine but it is there and it is effective because most people have been conditioned not to care by that minor blip.



That is all I have to say on the subject. I hope I have made myself clear and that you and other readers have taken the time to digest it.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 10 13:55:44
the press isn't lying when they write about the Russia investigation, or the meetings w/ Russians, or the testimony of witnesses...

Trump IS lying when he says there were 3-5 million fraud voters, that we're now hitting ISIS 10x harder, that the tax bill is bad for him & other rich people...
Hrothgar
Member
Fri Nov 10 14:07:46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpH5L8zCtSk

This is what I like to watch on US Veterans day. Regan could give a kick ass speech.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Nov 10 14:25:03

'I'm not advocating that those weapons be allowed, but if you think about it there really is no reason for an honest and non-violent citizen **not** to own any of them.'

(fixed)


tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 10 14:34:47
all citizens start out honest & non-violent

'The only thing that stops a bad guy with a B-1B is a good guy with an F-15'
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Nov 10 14:39:53

I agree. :)

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 10 22:06:17
one year ago:
"Just had a very open and successful presidential election. Now professional protesters, incited by the media, are protesting. Very unfair!"
~Trump
http://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/796900183955095552
obaminated
Member
Fri Nov 10 22:31:22
Yeah, watch that doc i cited. They obviously werent paid protesters but the collective left shit their pants in protest of a lawful election.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Nov 10 22:42:30

I think some were paid.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 10 23:11:27
and i'm sure you think it was unfair

because that's what Trump said, thus you believe it, based on his long history of saying nothing but true & accurate statements
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