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FoxNEWS
Member
Wed Nov 08 04:31:06
Sen. Cornyn, Republican, proponent of gun rights is calling for new legislation in gun control in regards to background check loopholes.

Oh? What is this a comprehensive approach to fix some of the current legislation where this was brought up before and the NRA and extreme 'guniacs' had a fit crying foul about gun laws.

We also have some local posters here who will definitely throw a fit, or watch them jump on the bandwagon in regards to this new focus and push....
Delude
Member
Wed Nov 08 09:06:26
But gun laws...
Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 08 10:18:18
Not really a loophole. More like a need to enforce the laws on the books.

http://www...ign=pushnotify&utm_medium=push

Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, the second-ranking Republican in the Senate, said he would begin drafting a bill to remind government agencies of their duty to provide information to the background check system and would offer incentives to try to earn more cooperation from states.
Delude
Member
Wed Nov 08 10:59:18
Firstly its a loophole. As you have senators right now working on legislation to make it a law to the military to report DV violence to the NICBCS. Apparently it wasn't before.

But good call parading the misnomer that this isn't a loophole other than the bipartisan effort to shut one. Let us not negate the other ones either.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 08 11:20:57
It was never not a requirement to report SCM and GCM convictions to NICS.

If calling a lack of oversight a loophole makes you feel better, have at it.

Myself, I just call it a culture of criminal negligence, and tend to hate buzz words like "loophole" or "meddling" because they're so vague they can mean anything.
Delude
Member
Wed Nov 08 11:24:10
an ambiguity or inadequacy in the law or a set of rules. -loophole

Yep, I'll stick with loophole.
Trolly
Member
Wed Nov 08 11:36:09
Forseb is forsebbing.
Trolly
Member
Wed Nov 08 11:38:37
Also, forseb is so forsebbed, that he didnt even read his own article apparently since it states that such information was classified and shielded from background checks. So yep, as said this would be a loophole, and now legislation is in the works.

Forseb is so forseb.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 08 13:07:53
"an ambiguity or inadequacy"

There is no ambiguity or inadequacy here. Someone didn't do their job.

"such information was classified and shielded from background checks."

No, idiot.

"A Democrat and a Republican, meanwhile, announced legislation to force the military to report cases that in any state court would qualify as domestic violence, but which under military justice are classified in such a way that they are shielded from the background check system."

This in no way implies Kelley's case was classified - he was just a stateside E-3 who beat his wife and kid. Try reading comprehension. It would remove a shield for future cases that involve classified details.
Trolly
Member
Wed Nov 08 13:20:49
Forseb accuses others having poor comprehension skills. The same person who has argued there is more gun regulations that vehicle regulations. And now the same guy cannot seemingly understand the definition of 'loophole which is a plain and simple notion.

And then he continues to repeat what was said.

Forseb says: "it would remove a shield for future cases that involved classified details

What I said: "information we classified and shielded from background checks."

Repeat forseb: "it would remove a shield for future cases that involve classified details."

So, in order to remove something. Something must be in place, yes?

Forsebbed.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 08 13:22:49
Yes, idiot. You implied based on the article that the Kelley case was classified. Kill yourself.
Trolly
Member
Wed Nov 08 13:27:18
No idiot. I didn't mentioned nor implied specifically about Kelley. You were the one that applied that variable. I merely inferred that was a particular loophole.

So in other words, forseb. Stop putting words too posters' mouths. And get the cock out of yours so you can focus on what was actually said. Not what you invent.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 08 13:38:17
"he didnt even read his own article apparently since it states that such information was classified and shielded from background checks."

Kill yourself
Dukhat
Member
Wed Nov 08 13:54:59
At least some gop lawmakers are seeing the writing on the wall and proposing new gun legislation under the guise of "fixing" curtain laws as to not draw the ire of their rabid gun-obsessed base.

I'll take it if it results in good laws based on peer-reviewed case studies.

Given today's gop, I'm betting it will be nothing more than a slap-on-the-wrist bill full of handouts to the lobbyists and gun manufacturers.

I hope I'm wrong but I probably won't be.
Trolly
Member
Wed Nov 08 14:42:47
Forseb, "such information" is being related to the specific case of an opening or aka "loophole" to which the article is speaking of in regards to the legislation to which it is targeting.

No, no, forseb, kill yourself. That is your own interjections.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 08 15:04:21
"such information was classified"

"was"

Idiot.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 08 15:05:31
Like, you could grab your nutsack and just claim it was a typo and you meant generally and say it was a misunderstanding, but you instead try to pretend words have whatever meaning you want them to. Idiot.
Trolly
Member
Wed Nov 08 15:18:15
OK Bill Clinton depending on what the meaning of the word is is.

Was is in reference to the subject at hand in that article the subject being classified information being withheld or shielded And now discussing passing legislation to prevent that or to remove it as it appears to be a loophole, not inferring the Kelley incident you fucking imbecile.

Again that is your interjection.
Trolly
Member
Wed Nov 08 15:20:24
What a forseb you are.
delude
Member
Wed Nov 08 15:36:10
Regardless if the shooting happened or not, the article is indicating that there is an issue in regards of sharing, transferring information to a database.

Now you have legislatures in the process of resolving that issue, because it is a loophole. No matter what you say, how much you bitch, how much you whine. No matter how much you shake your fist and keep continuing on this nonsensical path. The subject being was there there is a particular issue that 'is/was' a problem to attempt to fix. Which goes against your whole premise "muh gun laws" of how you like to spin things from your 4chan/breitbart rhetoric.

Eat a dick.
Mexicantardnado
Member
Wed Nov 08 15:37:49
Duuuur, give me few hours, duuur, I join the me too gang and protect you forwyn!! DUUUUUUR!!
delude
Member
Wed Nov 08 15:39:19
Likely.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 08 16:09:13
"Was is in reference to the subject at hand in that article the subject being classified information being withheld or shielded"

So, nothing relevant to this incident.

"resolving that issue"

i.e. telling them to do their job.

It was already their job.

If cops fail to arrest a rapist, that doesn't make rape a loophole.
delude
Member
Wed Nov 08 16:30:01
"It was already their job."

Then why is there legislation afoot? Seriously...
Trolly
Member
Wed Nov 08 16:36:51
Already their job, but now politicians are getting together to come up with a bill to "force" the military, in others, may not be required to do so?

Forsebbed.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 08 16:37:54

Because they are not doing their jobs Sherlock.

Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 08 16:43:06
Add a new bill! Now it's double-required to report! Close that loophole! - Trolly & Co.

MUH BREITBART
delude
Member
Wed Nov 08 16:50:50
"Because they are not doing their jobs Sherlock."

Don't need a law to require to to your job, if you are "required" to do your job.

Apparently, there isn't a requirement, as it appears, so therefore, they are passing legislation to ensure that. Many articles are expressing this as well as the bipartisan effort that is motion stating the same thing. It is truly astounding the deductive reasoning you lack.

"Add a new bill! Now it's double-required to report! Close that loophole! - Trolly & Co. "

But you were just arguing no new law is required, now you support it? Which is it? Nevermind, no need to answer already know the caliber of your thought process.
Trolly
Member
Wed Nov 08 16:53:06
"Add a new bill! Now it's double-required to report! Close that loophole! - Trolly & Co.
"

"i'm stupid." -forseb
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 08 16:54:26

It's kind of like the liberals politicians in sanctuary cities not allowing the cops to do their jobs.

But, in this case, the liberal politicians are not involved.


Just the fat assed liberal bureaucrats not doing their jobs.

Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 08 16:57:39
"But you were just arguing no new law is required, now you support it?"

LOL.


Yeah, just pass a new law requiring what was already required. Because muh loopholes. Politicians never grandstand to make it appear they're doing something.
Trolly
Member
Wed Nov 08 16:58:40
"“Unless we’re to assume there’s been only been one case of domestic violence in the military over that point of time, we have a problem. We have a loophole here that needs to be closed,” said Flake, who, with Senator Martin Heinrich, a Democrat, announced they were co-sponsoring legislation to close the loophole."

LOL!

http://www...domestic-violence-gun-database

forsebbed.
delude
Member
Wed Nov 08 17:00:03
"LOL. "

So yes, you're a hypocrite. Gotcha.
delude
Member
Wed Nov 08 17:00:30
and lulz at the "loophole" comment by article.
Cold Rod
Member
Wed Nov 08 17:06:25
"It's kind of like the liberals politicians in sanctuary cities not allowing the cops to do their jobs.

But, in this case, the liberal politicians are not involved.


Just the fat assed liberal bureaucrats not doing their jobs. "

Lol traitor pedo-racist.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 08 18:39:36
"Here's this beltway politician using the same buzz word, so I feel vindicated." - Trolly

"hypocrite"

Sarcasm, ludey. I have zero interest in double laws. Just start court martialing people who haven't done their jobs.
Trolly
Member
Wed Nov 08 19:09:11
Wed Nov 08 16:58:40
"“Unless we’re to assume there’s been only been one case of domestic violence in the military over that point of time, we have a problem. We have a loophole here that needs to be closed,” said Flake, who, with Senator Martin Heinrich, a Democrat, announced they were co-sponsoring legislation to close the loophole."

LOL!

http://www...domestic-violence-gun-database

forsebbed.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 08 21:22:05
"Here's this beltway politician using the same buzz word, so I feel vindicated." - Trolly
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 08 21:43:09

"Senator Martin Heinrich, a Democrat"


Is that de javu all over again?


Just curious

Trolly
Member
Thu Nov 09 04:41:12
Wed Nov 08 16:58:40
"“Unless we’re to assume there’s been only been one case of domestic violence in the military over that point of time, we have a problem. We have a loophole here that needs to be closed,” said Flake, who, with Senator Martin Heinrich, a Democrat, announced they were co-sponsoring legislation to close the loophole."

LOL!

http://www...domestic-violence-gun-database

forsebbed.
John Adams
Member
Thu Nov 09 04:59:30
Not entirely sure while this is such a debate regarding the words "loophole" and "oversight" both are referring to a law(s) or set of rules. Hence while there is a movement towards improving or 'fixing' the current rules or laws to ensure that information is being properly relayed and entered appropriately.

Accountability must be ensured. You have Republicans and Democrats acknowledging this and doing a review and introducing new bills. Makes sense. Also, this has been an issue before in regards to closing inadequacies regarding background checks. Deficiencies apparently exist.
John Adams
Member
Thu Nov 09 04:59:54
Why* this is such a debate....
Trolly
Member
Thu Nov 09 15:49:19
forsebbed.
Forwyn
Member
Thu Nov 09 17:32:50
No legislative improvement needed. Just start up the court-martials.
Trolly
Member
Thu Nov 09 20:41:30
Wed Nov 08 16:58:40
"“Unless we’re to assume there’s been only been one case of domestic violence in the military over that point of time, we have a problem. We have a loophole here that needs to be closed,” said Flake, who, with Senator Martin Heinrich, a Democrat, announced they were co-sponsoring legislation to close the loophole."

LOL!

http://www...domestic-violence-gun-database

forsebbed.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Nov 10 00:32:02
LOL! Quoting a retarded-ass McCainite GOPer who's so salty he's not running again. Over and over.
Trolly
Member
Fri Nov 10 05:55:11
Wed Nov 08 16:58:40
"“Unless we’re to assume there’s been only been one case of domestic violence in the military over that point of time, we have a problem. We have a loophole here that needs to be closed,” said Flake, who, with Senator Martin Heinrich, a Democrat, announced they were co-sponsoring legislation to close the loophole."

LOL!

http://www...domestic-violence-gun-database

forsebbed.
John Adams
Member
Fri Nov 10 10:12:46
"No legislative improvement needed. Just start up the court-martials."

That may be coming. But, yes improvement is needed. There are too many laws that either need to be modified, or retracted concerning how things evolve, much more quickly now than ever before. Which indirectly causes undue consequences; vague, ambiguity, and difficult interpretation of the laws.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Nov 10 11:10:08
How is this difficult in any way? The only improvement to be made is if the UCMJ indeed only has an assault charge, and doesn't differentiate on domestic assault.

Otherwise, required reporting is required reporting.
delude
Member
Mon Nov 13 16:49:02
Forseb is too stupid to understand JA's point.
Trolly
Member
Mon Nov 13 16:54:19
Wed Nov 08 16:58:40
"“Unless we’re to assume there’s been only been one case of domestic violence in the military over that point of time, we have a problem. We have a loophole here that needs to be closed,” said Flake, who, with Senator Martin Heinrich, a Democrat, announced they were co-sponsoring legislation to close the loophole."

LOL!

http://www...domestic-violence-gun-database

forsebbed.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Nov 13 21:33:32
"There are too many laws that either need to be modified, or retracted concerning how things evolve, much more quickly now than ever before."

Beating your wife and child is not something that has evolved.

Report domestic assault convictions to the NICS. Simple as.

If you need a legislative change, require mandatory reporting with prison time for failure to report.

re: more Flake spamming

LOL! Kill yourself.
Trolly
Member
Mon Nov 13 21:34:28
Wed Nov 08 16:58:40
"“Unless we’re to assume there’s been only been one case of domestic violence in the military over that point of time, we have a problem. We have a loophole here that needs to be closed,” said Flake, who, with Senator Martin Heinrich, a Democrat, announced they were co-sponsoring legislation to close the loophole."

LOL!

http://www...domestic-violence-gun-database

forsebbed.
Trolly
Member
Mon Nov 13 21:35:53
Already said, but I will repeat it. You're still too stupid to understand the point that was made. But you are Forseb so this isn't surprising.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Nov 13 22:40:44
You're still too idiotic to understand that this wasn't a failure due to a legislative inadequacy, just lazy enlisted fucks not doing their jobs, and incompetent officers not enforcing existing legislative mandates.

And as I said almost a week ago:

"Here's this beltway politician using the same buzz word, so I feel vindicated." - Trolly
Trolly
Member
Tue Nov 14 00:35:27
Mon Nov 13 21:34:28
Wed Nov 08 16:58:40
"“Unless we’re to assume there’s been only been one case of domestic violence in the military over that point of time, we have a problem. We have a loophole here that needs to be closed,” said Flake, who, with Senator Martin Heinrich, a Democrat, announced they were co-sponsoring legislation to close the loophole."

LOL!

http://www...domestic-violence-gun-database

forsebbed.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Nov 14 14:27:29
LOL!

Still parroting a beltway politician pretending he's being productive.
Trolly
Member
Tue Nov 14 15:43:40
Wed Nov 08 16:58:40
"“Unless we’re to assume there’s been only been one case of domestic violence in the military over that point of time, we have a problem. We have a loophole here that needs to be closed,” said Flake, who, with Senator Martin Heinrich, a Democrat, announced they were co-sponsoring legislation to close the loophole."

LOL!

http://www...domestic-violence-gun-database

forsebbed.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Nov 14 16:46:05
9 times now. But when are you going to kill yourself to boost gun violence stats?
Trolly
Member
Tue Nov 14 17:46:26
Tue Nov 14 15:43:40
Wed Nov 08 16:58:40
"“Unless we’re to assume there’s been only been one case of domestic violence in the military over that point of time, we have a problem. We have a loophole here that needs to be closed,” said Flake, who, with Senator Martin Heinrich, a Democrat, announced they were co-sponsoring legislation to close the loophole."

LOL!

http://www...domestic-violence-gun-database

forsebbed.
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