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obaminated
Member
Mon Nov 06 15:33:34
Since trolly decided to spam out the thread because he was wrong i felt the urge to continue the thread. It was a white male with a history of violence that the system failed to prevent from buying gjns. The answer isnt more laws. The answer is to enforce the existing laws. Also, trolly and cuckhat, rofl.
Paramount
Member
Mon Nov 06 15:40:25
This was just another day in America. Who cares. Buy more guns and carry on.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Nov 06 15:41:09
To reiterate, this guy was convicted in a special court-martial to a year in prison.

According to the federal Lautenberg Amendment, he should have been precluded from purchasing or owning firearms or ammunition. Instead, he was released from prison in 2014 with a bad conduct discharge, and somehow allowed to purchase a firearm from a FFL dealer the same year. Texas, to its credit, denied his application for a CCW permit.

The government failed to enforce its own laws.
Trolly
Member
Mon Nov 06 15:51:16
Mon Nov 06 15:33:34
Since trolly decided to spam out the thread because he was wrong "

Where was I wrong?
Trolly
Member
Mon Nov 06 15:52:40
" he should have been precluded from purchasing or owning firearms or ammunition."

Should have. Unless the exception rules applies. Which is information that none of us know at the time. Other than your assessment that laws were not enforced.
delude
Member
Mon Nov 06 16:00:39
Too bad there are too many opponents to the loopholes that exists. Too bad.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 06 16:42:21
some nutball pastor says God was answering the church-goers prayers by delivering them from evil

http://the...urdered-god-answering-prayers/

so keep on praying & hope to be murdered (because suicide is a sin)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 06 17:21:26
the Air Force admitted on Monday that it had failed to enter the man’s domestic violence court-martial into a federal database that could have blocked him from buying the rifle he used to kill 26 people.

http://www.../us/texas-shooting-church.html
delude
Member
Mon Nov 06 17:50:36
" Mon Nov 06 17:21:26
the Air Force admitted on Monday that it had failed to enter the man’s domestic violence court-martial into a federal database that could have blocked him from buying the rifle he used to kill 26 people. "

WHOOPS!
Forwyn
Member
Mon Nov 06 18:07:51
Forwyn
Member Mon Nov 06 14:09:05
The government fucked up somewhere.
werewolf dictator
Member
Mon Nov 06 18:13:33
message to leftists on behalf of consevatives..

"stop killing us"
obaminated
Member
Mon Nov 06 18:18:30
Haha, rip trolly, congrats forwyn.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 06 18:41:24
a lucky break for republicans who can now defend the 'do nothing' strategy until the next one
werewolf dictator
Member
Mon Nov 06 18:58:35
fortunately there was another guy with a gun to stop you leftists.. or there's no telling how many innocent people you people would have slaughtered
Trolly
Member
Mon Nov 06 19:02:03
Again mtard, where was I wrong?
obaminated
Member
Mon Nov 06 22:29:18
You literally made up a possible issue to continue arguing a need for more laws, when everyone else who argued based on known facts (and not fantasy) concluded the existing laws to be enforced. Basically you behaved by a sophomore college student who was pissed that daddy was always right despite what your professors taught you.
Dukhat
Member
Tue Nov 07 02:36:43
You far-right guys need more lube for this circle jerk.

Nobody believes you except the choir ... well the ones that are still alive after being shot up.
Trolly
Member
Tue Nov 07 02:59:27
And this is why you are known as "mtard."

Who was right? I mean, anyone can say "there was a lapse somewhere" which was basically what everyone inferred when this was even being discussed. Attached with some satire, prose, and references. Everyone was introducing theoretical scenarios into what possibly could have happened. If you are bringing up the point about loopholes being closed, it is perfectly fair assessment to bring those up because it would have been a contributing factor on how he acquired guns based upon what did we did know:

1) convicted of a domestic (which disqualifies him)

2) licensed security guard (to my knowledge I believe still cannot be one because of that type of charge, yet he was one)

3) He had acquired the gun.

So the questions asked; obvious one would be "the government messed up somewhere" well, this is already implied. But it also goes back to other theories.

If the government messed up where did they mess up.

1) A thorough background check was incomplete or an oversight.

2) Or a loophole that already exists in regards to background checks where someone and still purchase a gun and no matter how long a background check takes they still purchased and now in their possession can still take the gun and go. (of course I am sure you already knew that? Probably not, you are known as "mtard" for a reason.

3) Or another existing loophole when it comes to gun shows or private sellers that background checks are not mandatory. Thus providing an opportunity to say for someone with a background like this current shooter to acquire.

These issues provided the alternative route for someone like Kelley to get the gun in a theoretical situation if the other law was enforced, or the oversight did not occur and it would be a perfectly supported argument.

Alas, those loopholes or oversights did not want to be corrected. Because it falls into the category of "oh noes more laws." Well, yes, enforce the ones we have no, but do not ignore the two that stick out that still makes it easier for say a 'Kelley' to go out and acquire guns anyways.

Begs the question, if he was denied his carry permit, why was he denied? Did he fail his carry permit test, or shooting test, or the application was incomplete? Those are the lingering questions.

So again mtard, how was that in anyway a situation that someone was right, where it was already implied, and also other alternative theories introduced of how someone may have acquired the again, along attaching that "you were taught". No where did I discount forwyn's assessment. Unless you want to point that out or like you usually do come up with some bullshit and make up quotes. You literally have no standing whatsoever. Which is historically correct, give your history and what nickname(s) you are known as on these forums.
Trolly
Member
Tue Nov 07 03:03:36
Also in mtard fashion, he will reply with a short phrase or some words about "derp see, he is this, or that, or can't accept." Which is entirely predictable...
mexicantardnado
Member
Tue Nov 07 05:07:22
duuuuuur! look at me duuuuuur! I still don't make points duuuuuuur! I just follow the trend and piggy back off others duuuuuuuur! Abortions are bad duuuur! god said so duuuuuur!
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Nov 07 07:42:48

There is no need for more laws.

The USAF did not report the shooter's conviction to the proper database.

There was a woman talking on the news when I first turned it on this morning. She said something about 38 States are not regularly reporting felonies and that it could add up to seven million felons, not in the DB.


The SecAF is on FOX & FRIENDS this morning. She said the Air Force is working with the DoD to plug these problems on a case by case incident.

delude
Member
Tue Nov 07 08:44:18
Interesting, so those loopholes that was mentioned, you don't see a particular issue?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 07 09:13:49
Trump was asked if his made-up 'extreme vetting' should be applied to gun ownership:

"
If you did what you're suggesting, there would have been no difference three days ago, and you might not have had that very brave person who happened to have a gun or a rifle in his truck go out and shoot him, and hit him and neutralize him. And I can only say this: If he didn’t have a gun, instead of having 26 dead, you would have had hundreds more dead. So that's the way I feel about it. Not going to help.
"

'you would have had hundreds more dead'... not -might- have... -would- have... hundreds... the man can't stop making shit up

and since it was the vetting that messed up, 'extreme' vetting might have made it zero dead... or -would- have made it zero to be Trumpian... although much more likely than his hundreds

and for the record, the police said the guy had 15 magazines & all were empty, so maybe he was just done
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Nov 07 09:30:48

tw, you are so much smarter than Trump, here is a simple question you must have on the tip of your tongue.

Precisely, if you do not know the meaning of that word look it up.

Precisely, how many would have died if that good guy did not have a gun?


PRECISELY.



BTW, there were two handguns in his vehicle.

As for extreme vetting, no. It would not have helped in this case. I guess you missed my last post. The USAF did not notify the FBI database.



And I don't believe he was out of ammo.

delude
Member
Tue Nov 07 09:35:42
Nice dodge to the question posed.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Nov 07 09:42:59

What question?

If you want to an expert at dodging the question stay tuned.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Nov 07 09:44:01
*-see
delude
Member
Tue Nov 07 09:49:17
This one to your idiocy.

Interesting, so those loopholes that was mentioned, you don't see a particular issue?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 07 10:16:44
so you're claiming it's fine to say there -would- have been hundreds more dead, because it's unknown? (also implying more vetting is dangerous)

you also don't care about him lying about what networks aired, because maybe he didn't watch them to know it was a lie

this 'he can state anything if he doesn't know the truth' is a crazy standard you hold

of course you were fine with him claiming he won the popular vote because there were 3-5 million fraud votes, so i guess you need to justify all of his made-up nonsense somehow
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 07 10:25:50
i guess that also covers his made-up nonsense about us hitting ISIS 10x harder... just keep him ignorant of the truth (won't be hard), and you're fine with him stating anything as fact

let's hope all of the people in his ~30% support aren't as lost as you
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Nov 07 11:11:49

deluded - Interesting, so those loopholes that was mentioned, you don't see a particular issue?


The primary issue is people that should be in the DB are not there because they are not being reported.

Probably the same mindset as cities and states not calling ICE.

Paramount
Member
Tue Nov 07 12:05:41
I came up with a bright idea. Don’t sell any guns to civilians. Problem solved. Dunno, why no one has thought about this before? It’s just simple logic.
delude
Member
Tue Nov 07 12:07:11
You totally did not answer the question. Either you are not as informed about the various "loopholes that was stated or you're blind.
delude
Member
Tue Nov 07 12:12:49
Some of the concerns that are there that is mentioned in this thread and generally an issue anytime the topic of gun control comes up.

The issue about background checks and not its full duration thus allowing you to walk out with a gun anyways.

The issue about gun shows.

And the issue about mental health and you being "flagged" as having a varying degree of a mental disorder.

Th first two are the more discussed. So, again, you don't see a particular issues with those?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Nov 07 21:19:46

paramounted = Don’t sell any guns to civilians. Problem solved. Dunno, why no one has thought about this before?


We have a Constitution that ***GUARANTEES US THE RIGHT*** to own guns for self-protection.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 07 21:43:23
you have a constitutional right to bear them, not a constitutional right to buy them... make your own if you want one
Forwyn
Member
Tue Nov 07 22:07:36
I, for one, am thankful that leftists are so uneducated about firearms...imagine if "make your own" were more widespread, and they knew about the popularity of 80% lowers
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Nov 07 22:09:42

tw - you have a constitutional right to bear them, not a constitutional right to buy them... make your own if you want one


I believe I could make a zip gun, can you?

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 07 23:43:54
i typed it as a joke, but it actually seems a decent argument to be used :p ... banning manufacture/sales doesn't violate the 2nd amendment


i can make a rubber band slingshot between my thumb and finger
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 07 23:54:27
as to "Precisely, how many would have died if that good guy did not have a gun?"

given the worst in history was 58 dead (also on Trump's watch, everything bigger w/ Trump)... obviously assuming hundreds more dead is idiotic, both in assuming, and going w/ 'hundreds'
Cold Rod
Member
Wed Nov 08 04:05:56
"I, for one, am thankful that leftists are so uneducated about firearms...imagine if "make your own" were more widespread, and they knew about the popularity of 80% lowers "

Isn't this the same poster who claimed there are more firearm regulations than vehicle regulations? Wow.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 08 09:19:19
"thankful that leftists are so uneducated about firearms"

i recall every Republican congressman interviewed after Vegas saying 'i never heard of bump stocks' ... so lots of ignorance (or deception) there too
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 08 10:36:16

I smile because I get to post on the same forum as you leftists.


I laugh because there is nothing you can do about it.

Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 08 13:17:06
"i recall every Republican congressman interviewed after Vegas saying 'i never heard of bump stocks' ... so lots of ignorance (or deception) there too"

Yes, plenty of retarded Repubs pushing for a bump stock ban as if bump-firing is some new phenomenon. lol
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 08 14:49:44

I never heard of them either.

delude
Member
Wed Nov 08 15:38:41
Most likely because you're not a gun enthusiast. Mr. "I'm all about the 2nd amendment." /rolling eyes.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 08 16:34:35

Just because I believe in Freedom does not mean I have a house full of guns.

I've only owned a few but I have fired a machine gun, a rocket launcher, a .30 cal man killer and a .45 automatic.


I think the question is, why don't you believe in Freedom?

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 08 16:42:47

I even threw a live hand grenade once.

Cold Rod
Member
Wed Nov 08 17:09:42
Hard to believe you have claimed to have been in the military, but yet only thrown one hand grenade?

lol what a lying, traitor pedo-racist
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 08 17:28:05
i've blown up entire planets
Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 08 18:36:30
Pretty normal for someone with no combat deployments to toss one grenade during training.
FBU Agent
Member
Wed Nov 08 19:11:29
False.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 08 21:36:03

What is an FBU Agent?

Looks like another foreign multi that is too stupid to spell FBI.


When you are a Cold War Veteran and you are taught Basic by the cadre of an Armored Reconnacense Unit then you only get a chance to even see a live grenade once in your three years. Hell, I never even fired my rifle after Basic. The Army is not like The Marines, I believe they have to qualify every year.

And the .45 I fired was owned by a friend who bought one to take home. I did fire that one when I was stationed in Germany.



Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 08 21:46:00

BTW, it is not very hard to learn how to throw a grenade.

It is something you simply must learn quickly.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 08 22:04:22

Now the rocket launcher was cool. It was likely an 'M20 rocket launcher, 3.5 inch, break down tube, shoulder mount, Super Bazooka'.

We fired our practice shot at an old beat up tank.

My rocket was a perfect shot right between the body and the turret. If nothing else it would have disabled a medium tank in combat. May have even taken the turret completely off.


I admit it was a very lucky shot.

smart dude
Member
Wed Nov 08 23:17:41
Nobody cares.
jergul
large member
Thu Nov 09 06:03:58
That is nothing. Real men infiltrate and destroy tanks by making a chalk mark on the hull to sumulate destruction with a hand carried AT device (true story. The tank crew was furious. Lols used to happen in the real world).
Fed Bureau of Utopia
Member
Thu Nov 09 06:17:36
He is one of ours.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 09 08:03:26

When I was on the aggressor team in Germany we would attack at night.

We destroyed a truck by turning on the headlights and then hiding on the rear tires. I was captured once and some guy took me over to the prisoner area.

He made the mistake of letting go of my arm and it was pitch black there in the woods.

The guy that was escorting said, "where did he go." I replied, "I don't know" and I turned around and walked away.

But I was captured again later.

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