Utopia Talk / Politics / Saudi~ This can only mean war

Aeros Member	Mon Nov 06 13:50:51 http://www.../yemen-saudi-iran-missile.html Saudi Arabia Charges Iran With ‘Act of War,’ Raising Threat of Military Clash LONDON — Saudi Arabia charged Monday that Iran had committed “a blatant act of military aggression” by providing its Yemeni allies with a missile fired at the Saudi capital over the weekend, raising the threat of a direct military clash between the two regional heavyweights. The accusations represent a new peak in tensions between Saudi Arabia and Iran at a time when they are already fighting proxy wars in Yemen and Syria, as well as battles for political power in Iraq and Lebanon. The Saudi statement said the missile could be considered an “act of war” against the kingdom and triggered its right to self-defense under international law. It claimed that the rocket, which was fired from Yemen and intercepted en route to Riyadh, the capital, had originated in Iran. The Saudis said that “experts in military technology” had examined the debris of the missile, as well as one launched in July, and “confirmed the role of Iran’s regime in manufacturing these missiles and smuggling them to the Houthi militias in Yemen for the purpose of attacking the kingdom.” American officials have previously accused Iran of arming its Yemeni allies, the Houthis. But Saudi Arabia’s claims could not be independently verified. Continue reading the main story Related Coverage Saudi Crown Prince’s Mass Purge Upends a Longstanding System NOV. 5, 2017 Saudi Prince, Asserting Power, Brings Clerics to Heel NOV. 5, 2017 Saad Hariri Quits as Lebanon Prime Minister, Blaming Iran NOV. 4, 2017 THE INTERPRETER How the Iranian-Saudi Proxy Struggle Tore Apart the Middle East NOV. 19, 2016 Saudi Arabia and its allies, including the United States and the United Arab Emirates, have enforced a sea and air blockade around Yemen since the outbreak of the current war there, so it was also unclear how Iran could have provided large weapons like ballistic missiles. The top commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps in Iran called the accusation “baseless.” “These missiles were produced by the Yemenis and their military industry,” the commander, Maj. Gen. Mohammad Ali Jafari, told the semiofficial news agency Tasnim. Iran’s foreign minister, Javad Zarif, accused Saudi Arabia of “wars of aggression, regional bullying, destabilizing behavior & risky provocations,” in a statement on Twitter. Saudi Arabia “bombs Yemen to smithereens, killing 1000s of innocents including babies, spreads cholera and famine, but of course blames Iran,” Mr. Zarif said. The Saudi claim was the second time in three days that the kingdom and its allies have accused Iran of trying to destabilize the region. On Saturday, hours before the missile was intercepted, the Lebanese prime minister, Saad Hariri, resigned his post in protest of Iranian interference in Lebanon through its client, Hezbollah. Mr. Hariri tendered his resignation via a televised statement from Saudi Arabia and has not yet returned to Beirut, leading to the widespread assumption in Lebanon that he was pressured to resign by the Saudis, his political patrons. Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, said over the weekend that the Saudis had all but kidnapped Mr. Hariri. Mr. Nasrallah urged Mr. Hariri to return to Beirut for power-sharing talks “if he is allowed to come back.” “It was definitely a Saudi decision that was imposed on him,” Mr. Nasrallah said. “It was not his will to step down.” The accusations of Iranian interference in Yemen and Lebanon came as the Saudi crown prince was further consolidating his power with a wave of internal arrests that began around midnight on Saturday and expanded on Monday, trapping 11 princes and dozens of others in a Ritz Carlton hotel now serving as a uniquely luxurious prison. The arrests cemented the dominance of the crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, 32, over military, foreign, internal security, economic and social affairs inside the kingdom. In the two and a half years since the coronation of his father, King Salman, 81, Prince Mohammed has sharply escalated a cold war with Iran, stepping up Saudi Arabia’s efforts to push back Iranian influence in the Syrian civil war, plunging the kingdom into a protracted military conflict against Iranian-allied forces in Yemen, and isolating neighboring Qatar in part for being too close to Iran. His hawkish stance toward Iran and to Islamists in the region also appears to have formed the basis for a close bond with President Trump, who visited Riyadh this year and maintained a conspicuous silence over the weekend about Prince Mohammed’s campaign of extrajudicial arrests. The connection between the arrests in Saudi Arabia and the accusations against Iran was unclear, raising questions on Monday about whether the crown prince was emboldened to take on Iran by his success at checking his internal rivals, or whether he had hastened to check potential domestic critics in order to fortify his hand for a regional confrontation. Joseph Kechichian, a scholar at the King Faisal Center for Research and Islamic Studies in Riyadh who is close to the royal family, said the moves represented the convergence of two long-term agendas for Prince Mohammed. “Inside he has been able to put his men into positions of influence and he has pushed aside his rivals,” Mr. Kechichian said. “And ever since President Trump’s visit to Riyadh there has been a very consistent policy with the essential coordination of the United States, and Iran is in the bull’s-eye.” “In the past, accommodation was the name of the game, and today confrontation is the name of the game,” he said. Saudi Arabia also said on Monday that it would “temporarily” close Yemen’s land, sea and air ports of entry in response to the missile firing, in order to tighten inspections and stop any weapons shipments. It pledged to provide for “the continuation of the entry and exit of humanitarian supplies and crews.” However, the United Nations said that two aid flights scheduled for Monday had not been allowed to depart for Yemen. “We’re trying to see whether we can get our normal access restored,” Farhan Haq, a United Nations spokesman, said at a daily briefing. “We underscored to all parties the need for regular humanitarian access.” The United Nations considers Yemen, the Middle East’s poorest country, one of the world’s biggest humanitarian emergencies. Roughly 17 million people — 60 percent of the population — need food assistance, and seven million are at risk of famine. Nearly 900,000 Yemenis have been sickened by cholera. Saudi Arabia accompanied its accusations against Iran with the announcement that it would pay bounties of up to $30 million for information leading to the capture of 40 Houthi leaders in Yemen. “We fear nothing,” one leader on the list, Mohammad Ali al-Houthi, said in a defiant speech on Monday in the Yemeni capital, Sana. He called the sweep of arrests ordered by Prince Mohammed “a coup leading to the throne” and invited any dissident Saudis to take refuge in Yemen. “We tell the citizens and princes in Saudi Arabia that the Yemeni people are opening their arms to you. None will endure injustice.” Yemen’s Houthi-controlled Defense Ministry said over the weekend that its forces had targeted Riyadh’s airport with a long-range missile. Immediately after the firing, the Saudi-led coalition hit Sana with the heaviest barrage of airstrikes in more than a year. With the support of Iran, the Houthis overthrew the internationally recognized government of President Abdu Rabbu Mansour Hadi in early 2015, and they have controlled much of the country since. While the Houthis have long had loose ties to Iran and have received some support, there has never been proof that they were proxies under the direct command of Tehran, as the Saudis assert, analysts say. The Saudi claim about Iran’s responsibility for the missile attack was difficult to evaluate in part because of the long and complicated history of illicit weapons shipments to Yemen. South Yemeni forces acquired Soviet missiles during their civil war with the North before it ended in 1994, and the subsequent national government of Yemen, whose institutions are now under the control of the Houthi faction, had said as long ago as 2002 that it had bought a shipment of Scud missiles from North Korea. American State Department cables published by WikiLeaks indicate that Yemen had resumed buying North Korean missiles as recently as 2009. But the Houthi alliance with Iran makes it impossible to rule out the possibility that Tehran provided or procured the missiles, even if they were manufactured in North Korea. Analysts at IHS Jane’s say that it would be difficult for Iran to ship whole missiles to Yemen, but that the missiles could have been acquired from North Korea before the current conflict started. Riyadh has been attacked twice before with missiles from Yemen, in February and March. The Saudi border area, including military bases in the southern city of Jizan, has also been targeted several times.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Nov 06 13:53:05 What did they use to shoot down that missile.
Forwyn Member	Mon Nov 06 13:56:11 Perhaps the Saudis shouldn't be engaged in hostile foreign military intervention.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 06 13:56:41 we get to side with the evil w/ the better publicist
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 06 13:59:45 Well, they both have a cadre of battle-hardened veterans now. That should make a helluva war. The trouble is the Saudis will have a two-front war.
Paramount Member	Mon Nov 06 14:06:49 It’s like Pakistan accusing Sweden for an act of millitary agression if India fires with a Bofors Haubits/Howitzer at Pakistan.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 06 14:11:26 You may be right. During WWII we supplied Britain with stuff when we were neutral just as you supplied the Nazis.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Nov 06 14:59:08 Mr. Nasrallah urged Mr. Hariri to return to Beirut for power-sharing talks “if he is allowed to come back.” Nasrallah is such an awesome douchebag. Appearing conciliatory while making any cooperation impossible by calling him a Saudi stooge.
Aeros Member	Mon Nov 06 15:01:19 This is probably bluster to create an external enemy to allow the Crown Prince to wrap up his purge of rivals and further solidify his power.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Nov 06 15:07:47 Saudi Arabia would destroy itself ratcheting up the conflict with Iran. 15 % Shia Muslims, who happen to live along the Persian Gulf, who happens to be where most of Saudi Arabia's oil and gas wells are.
Aeros Member	Mon Nov 06 15:11:00 Implying they would not be averse to genocide. These are slafist barbarians we are talking about. Them being filthy rich for a few decades has not removed them far from their barbarian past. its simply made them lazy and more likely to use South African mercenary companies for the dirty work.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Mon Nov 06 15:14:54 I'm sure they can afford southern redneck mercenary companies for this dirty work.
obaminated Member	Mon Nov 06 15:35:25 Good point, ibty.
Rugian Member	Mon Nov 06 15:46:04 Securing jobs for America's veterans, and having Saudi Arabia pay for it. Trump is the 4D chess master confirmed.
Aeros Member	Mon Nov 06 15:50:55 Now now, the US does not have mercenary companies. They are private security contractors that offer valuable services and advanced innovation in the field of security and security related industries.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Nov 06 16:10:34 Anyone know what splashed that missile?
Aeros Member	Mon Nov 06 16:16:38 It probably splashed itself
Sam Adams Member	Mon Nov 06 16:28:29 Lol. Could be.
Aeros Member	Mon Nov 06 16:36:45 When it comes to the middle east, assume everyone is lying. What most likely happened is Iran didn't ship a completed missile to the rebels, but it did smuggle the components. The rebels assembled the thing, and launched it at Riyad. Of course, it was such a piece of shit it completed missed its intended target and crashed the desert. The Saudi's, caught flat foot and did not even know about it until it went off, in turn claim they amazingly shot it down.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Nov 06 16:37:57 That is plausible.
Forwyn Member	Mon Nov 06 17:18:29 There are Patriot systems in Saudi Arabia, and they claim to have used that.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Nov 07 01:19:14 Aeros, as history has shown, Arab leaders who try to genocide people end up dead sooner or later. So my point still stands. Shias in Sunni lands are already used to hardship and oppression, the entire religion is founded around this asymmetry. Sho is willing to bleed more? Iran and her shia allies, because the other option is annihilation.
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 07 01:37:35 Irans leadership has unfortunately played some bad hands remarkably well. They could handle the saudis easily, unfortunately they are in too deep in their antagonistic relationship with Israel and the United States. Their curse is being too honest about their convictions. The Saudis are more then happy to condemn the US and Israel and then work with them anyway. The Egyptians too. This allows them to focus on their primary enemy. The Shia and Iran. Iran however antagonises the US and Israel while at the same time squaring off with the Saudis. This has worked out for them, only in as much as they have never actually done enough to have the hammer brought down. They have done a remarkable job digging their hole, and its an impressive hole. A great product of labor and a mighty monument to Irans ingenuity in its construction. Unfortunately they are now stuck at the bottom surrounded by enemies on all sides and the only way out is to somehow convince the USA to reign in the Saudis and normalize relations. Irans elected government knows this. It is why they pushed the nuke deal with Washington. Unfortunately the religious and military establishment in Iran is tol honest about its convictions and is doing everything it can to scupper what little progress has been made
jergul large member	Tue Nov 07 01:43:45 Aeros Iran could shut down saudi oil exports in less than 25 minutes. Neither the military, nor the religious establishment is fond of nuclear weapons and no Iranian is doing anything to scupper the nuclear deal. Which is not "what little progress". It is a finalized agreement. The problem here is that the US is the world's most protectionist state. So continues to hinder trade.
jergul large member	Tue Nov 07 01:47:30 BEIRUT, LEBANON (8:00 A.M.) – In a new twist to the Middle East crisis, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has accused Lebanon of declaring war against them. Citing Hezbollah’s alleged aggression, Saudi Arabia claimed that Lebanon has chosen the path of war after the abrupt resignation of former Prime Minister, Saad Hariri. Saudi Arabia’s Minister of Gulf Affairs, Thamer Al-Sabhan, continued to add fuel to the fire on Monday by claiming that the Lebanese government would ““be dealt with as a government declaring war on Saudi Arabia.” “The Lebanese must know the risks and work to fix matters before they reach the point of no return,” Sabhan told Al-Arabiya. Sabhan has been one of the major players in escalating the ongoing crisis between Lebanon and Saudi Arabia, using social media to slam Iran and Hezbollah for their role in the region.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Nov 07 01:50:16 At the bottom of a hole is where Iran was after the revolution and for much of the 80-90s. In 2017 she now has a landroute to the Med, and very clear allies. Iraq is more or less a Satrap of Iran. Influence has grown in Afghanistan and Syria is dependant on Iran, hezbollah is the most powerful Jihadi militia. And so on. The wild card is Trump. But then again what timeline are we viewing this on? A country who has been around for 200 years or one who has been around for 2500 years? This is important. Iran will avoid direct confrontation and decisive battles, it will use money and leadership to make allies on the ground. Patiently, there are no 4 year election cycles in Iran worth mentioning.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Nov 07 02:39:14 And you should not view what I am saying as a dick measuring contest Aeros. Your American penis is 'uge and bigly. Of that there is no doubt. But there are a lot of misconceptions going on both ways. Each party is assuming some fundamentally wrong things about the other. The west does not understand Iran, Islam or Muslims and Iran (and Islam) do not understand the west. It is tempting to think we do because of duh Internetz, but no. It is tradition still in the ME to not really understand what democracy is or what check and balances entail. So the assumption is that it more or less functions in European/US politics as it does in the ME. You almost as a matter of principle hear "they" when you speak to middle easterners, "they wanted this..", "they did created such and such". Who is they? America of course, BUSH! And so on. As if everything is happening because of carefully calculated steps and someone is in control. LOL :) Likewise it is tradition in the West to view things in quarterly and 4 year cycles, not see the difference between Islam and Muslims (left and right respectively). This specific list can be made long and detailed, but I will leave it at that. The Iranian hegemony over Shias is not going to reverse anytime soon or with military means short of total war, which no one wants, least of all the Saudis. Further this is all taking away the attention from the root of the problem, the Israeli/Palestine equation. How are Fatah and Hamas coming along in their reconciliation?
yankeessuck123 Member	Tue Nov 07 04:28:19 The Saudis haven't proven capable of handling a bunch of desert rebels to their south, why are they looking for a bigger fight?
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue Nov 07 08:18:02 "why are they looking for a bigger fight?" cause that's how the game works. ya double down and eventually you win bigly.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue Nov 07 08:41:40 "Explosive" Leaked Secret Israeli Cable Confirms Israeli-Saudi Coordination To Provoke War http://www...eli-saudi-coordination-lebanon
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 07 08:59:12 "Iran could shut down saudi oil exports in less than 25 minutes." US Iran policy explicitly states any effort to close the straights of Hormuz will result in US Military action. We've been clear about this for 30 years, and in that time Iran has made some minor moves to challenge that policy and has had its shit pushed in. The funny thing is the only people that seem to want a fight here are the Saudi's, I think the cause of that is primarily US efforts to engage with Iran. Israel likewise is not a happy camper about how strong Hezbollah has gotten, nor about how much Russian support Syria has been getting lately. The ground is pretty much set for a major regional war breaking out and the only thing keeping the fuse wet is the USA. Which is now run by Trump. Lord knows what that idiot has been signalling to the Saudi's and the Israelis.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue Nov 07 09:12:32 "and the only thing keeping the fuse wet is the USA." lol
Rugian Member	Tue Nov 07 09:17:16 It's possible the Saudis and Israel just smell opportunity at the moment. Hezbollah has lost a lot of fighters in the Syrian conflict, and the Trump administration has made it clear that they're willing to be more hawkish with Iran than Obama was. With the war against ISIS coming to an imminent end, they may figure that now is a great time to target Iran and its war-exhausted allies.
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 07 11:41:21 Those Shia militias in Iraq that just beat the shit out of the Kurds can travel south as easily as they traveled north. And considering how ineffective the Saudi Army has been against a bunch of hillbillies in Yemen the Saudi's could find themselves in a huge problem really fast and begging Trump to save their asses. I would like to think they are not that stupid and this is all just posturing to allow the Crown Prince to solidify power by drumming up an external threat to keep things united during the purge.
pillz Member	Tue Nov 07 11:48:16 You know youre getting involved and obliterating Iran, then occupying it for a decade before you collapse.
Paramount Member	Tue Nov 07 11:51:24 I guess Syria, Hezbollah, Iran and Russia will just need to keep pounding the sunni terrorists. Until Saudis have enough and starts blaming the loss and their failure on the jews.
jergul large member	Tue Nov 07 12:24:47 Ruggy Hezb has only lost 1200 since 2012. Less than 5000 including medical discharges. The organization's combat readiness has likely never been higher (just the OPFOR lessons alone have incalculable value. It has played the flip side of asymetrical forces).
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue Nov 07 13:42:52 http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOBGFkjWAAAsnvy.jpg
Arab Member	Tue Nov 07 17:17:29 "Shias in Sunni lands are already used to hardship and oppression, the entire religion is founded around this asymmetry. Sho is willing to bleed more? Iran and her shia allies, because the other option is annihilation." Shia oppression is actually a myth. Everytime the Shia have taken power over Sunnis, they have been the oppressors. Fatimids Buyids Safavids Shias under Sunni rule were always tolerated, unless in extreme circumstances. The opposite was never true.
Pillz Member	Tue Nov 07 18:40:39 Sunnis can't be oppressed if they're culled and buried with pigs.
Arab Member	Tue Nov 07 19:31:05 pillz is the type of mentally deranged white guy who'd commit a mass shooting... if he had any balls.
pillz Member	Tue Nov 07 20:01:26 Says the terrorist sympathizer
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Nov 08 01:18:43 Are you sure arab? You were so convinced of the complete opposite of what you believe, such firey conviction of Shia superiority. ’Member your Iranian relatives? ’Member Your plans to study in Qom. I ’member. I can not take you and your whimsical flip flopping over existential matter seriously. Sunni Islam is prone to anarchy and cancer, and has both historically and presently produced groups like Islamic state and AQ. Any sufficiently pragmatic and civilized people will find their hands forced to use violence to subdue this.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Nov 08 01:25:03 For years arabs was like, Worship god in this way infidels or you will burn in hellfire! Now he is like, I was wrong, worship god in THIS way or burn in hellfire! The correct answer is, stop worshiping this god, or be obliterated by a hellfire missile.
Arab Member	Wed Nov 08 19:12:43 Yes, nimatzo, I am sure, you unoriginal sam harris parrot. Islamic State and AQ did not exist before the 79 overthrow of the Shah in Iran. These groups emulated and copied Iranian funded Shia groups like Hezbollah - with beheadings, suicide bombings and extreme sectarian ideologies. You downplay the extremism and barbarity of Shia groups because their focus their violence on Sunnis, and are very adept at hiding their beliefs and even their crimes (taqqiyah). Whereas Sunni groups like IS and AQ are not as good at lying, and tend to advertise their crimes more openly.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Nov 09 02:10:48 Sam Harris knows next to nothing about Iran or shia/sunni nuances. You were so very sure about worshipping god the shia way though, so what is the value of your certainty, to the redt of us? Nothing? Islamism has a longer history than 1979, idelogically and theologically for centuries. I don’t downplay any shia atrocities, the regime in Iran is cancer to me. I am comparing two evils, just like christianity is the lesser evil compared to Islam, shiism is the lesser evil compared to sunni Islam from a pragmatic foreign policy pov for the west that I live in. Ideologies are not equal as you should know give your own change of heart. You went with the more innate tribal choice and I if forced will pick the one that is orderly and organized. You being the savage arab and I the civilized persian. We can not change who we are, arab.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Nov 09 02:14:57 And I agree arabs once agained copied the organized and institutional way of Iran when fostering her vassals and militias. You know as I detailed historically earlier in this thread. As always the copycat is shit compared to the original.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Nov 09 02:16:53 You can’t even wage jihad without Iran showing you how to do it properly. LOL :)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Nov 09 02:34:48 We Iranians adapt without losing focus of who we are. Something whatever people your ancestors belonged to before you became "Arabs" did not. You, your language and culture were completely obliterated by arabs and Islam. Hence the contemporary confusion over where you belong and your inability to function in your new adoptive societies.
Rugian Member	Thu Nov 09 19:36:59 jergul, Hezbollah's combat losses are trivial if you have, say, the massive army and virtually unlimited manpower pool that the United States enjoys. For an organization the size of Hezbollah, those losses do matter. More so if you're faced with the prospect of having to defend against Israel fucking around in Lebanon while you're still committed to trying to keep Assad in power so you don't lose a major supply route. This is unquestionably the best time for a move against Hezbollah in decades, and it seems like Israel might take it.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Thu Nov 09 19:58:48 "This is unquestionably the best time for a move against Hezbollah in decades,and it seems like Israel might take it." lol
jergul large member	Thu Nov 09 20:06:28 Ruggy 15 thousand Shia males turn 18 every year in Lebanon. Some 500 000 Shia males are currently fit for military service. The losses are trivial. Hezb combat readiness has never been higher than now.
Aeros Member	Thu Nov 09 20:38:27 There is no way in hell Hezbollah, even with Iranian backing, could army, train and supply that many troops.
jergul large member	Fri Nov 10 00:49:35 Aeros Straw man much?
Aeros Member	Fri Nov 10 01:36:39 Its not a strawman. Its simple truth. The United States is hard pressed to field an army of 500,000. On our best day the standard US "the shit has hit the fan" force is 120,000. 3 divisions and attending support brigades. Hezbollah on a good day can field 30,000 troops. And that is with foreign support. Without that they can probably field a 7,000 troops and be totally dependent on civilians to provide logistics.
jergul large member	Fri Nov 10 01:52:46 The US will never be able to field a 50 million man army!
jergul large member	Fri Nov 10 02:03:35 That is also a simple truth. It is not a strawman.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Nov 10 12:10:22 Jergul is correct. Hezbollah losses are nothing compared to the combat experience they have gained. The point jergul is making is that there is no shortage of new recruits and they will be well received by the more experienced institutions and leadership.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Nov 10 12:11:30 There is no shortage of weapons either, the land route from Iran to Lebanon has been secured.
jergul large member	Fri Nov 10 12:40:01 Nimi Not quite. 30km of highway is still under ISIS control.
jergul large member	Fri Nov 10 12:41:30 Hezb can field something between 3 and 10 times what it could in 2006 (the degree of uncertainty relates to my not know how much of their capabilities were fielded in 2006).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Nov 10 16:00:51 Pff I could throw a mule 30 km on a good day!
Paramount Member	Sat Nov 11 03:38:03 Israel and Saudi Barbaria has got some difficult choices to make now that they can't use ISIS and Al-Qaida very much any longer. Will the Jewish State send its own figthers to Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Iran now?
Paramount Member	Sat Nov 11 03:40:28 When you look back at things now, it's so obvious that 9/11 was made by Israel (and Saudis).
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Sun Nov 12 11:28:26 Five reasons we need a war with Iran http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Pv0wUZgqs
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Sun Nov 12 12:19:40 Arab League To Hold Urgent Meeting On Iran As Saudis Reportedly Mobilize Fighter Jets http://www...dis-mobilize-f-15-fighter-jets
Paramount Member	Sun Nov 12 13:04:20 lol, Saudi Barbaria and Israel are furious that Hezbollah defeated ISIS.
jergul large member	Sun Nov 12 13:20:09 What does mobilize fighter jets even mean?
Paramount Member	Sun Nov 12 13:48:12 It can only mean war.
jergul large member	Sun Nov 12 14:26:35 Para lulz. Good one!
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Thu Nov 16 13:40:29 Israeli army chief says ready to share information with Saudi Arabia http://www...ith-saudi-arabia-idUSKBN1DG29N
Aeros Member	Thu Nov 16 13:51:15 "lol, Saudi Barbaria and Israel are furious that Hezbollah defeated ISIS." This is fundamentally not true. Hezbollah captured exactly 1 city from ISIS, and not even an important one. The US Coalition by contrast took both Mosul (their largest city) and their Capital.
Pillz Member	Thu Nov 16 13:58:17 Hezbollah spent 4 years fighting ISIS on the Lebanon / Syrian border, as they were recruiting from local sunnis and sunni militias. Youre also missing engagements between pro assad forces and isis throughout homs province... And defeating isis and recapturing the power stations north of Aleppo during the earlier phases of the Russian campaign. Now Hezbollah may not have been deployed in all of those operations but its wholly ignorant to claim pro assad forces didn't engage isis across the country. But Israel is definitely upset that Hezbollah is on the winning side Noland prevented ISIS incursion into Lebanon.
Paramount Member	Thu Nov 16 13:59:41 Let’s not forget why Hezbollah was created in the first place. Hezbollah was created as direct consequence of Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. Hezbollah is a legit defence force of Lebanon. Death to he Jewish and Islamic state. They want to destroy the Christian Lebanon. Lebanon has the highest rate of Christians in the Middle East, followed by Syria (which the Jewish and Islamic state already destroyed), so now they are eyeing Lebanon. When the Islamic and Jewish state are finished, the Christians will have been cleansed from the ME.
Paramount Member	Thu Nov 16 14:04:43 ”Hezbollah was created as direct consequence of Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. Hezbollah is a legit defence force of Lebanon.” Guess why the Jewish State wants Hezbollah gone?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Nov 16 14:26:49 Maybe not war, it's been ten days now.
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