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Rugian
Member
Fri Aug 18 11:15:31
That's what CNN would try and have you believe, anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc9Ve7xH358

Actual fake news.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 18 11:18:25
Charlottesville: vehicle used as weapon to run into innocent people

Barcelona: vehicle used as weapon to run into innocent people

no comparison at all... & this was before much known about attacker(s)
Rugian
Member
Fri Aug 18 11:21:32
Yes, neo-Nazis inspired Barcelona. It's not like Muslim terrorists were familiar with the idea of using vehicles as weapons before last week. It's Trump's fault, really.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 18 11:22:22
Fox News is suggesting CNN was trying to link Trump to terror by that simple observation

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"Stuart Varney said the comment was "outrageous" and was an attempt to associate President Trump with the terrorist attack.

Tammy Bruce agreed, pointing out that others on CNN picked up on the talking point and the coverage should concern Americans.

"There's a pathological fixation. Every single thing they see over there they interpret through the lens of hating Trump," said the radio host and Fox News contributor.

She said the idea is to make Americans "infer" that Trump is responsible for what happened in Charlottesville and now can also be linked to the Spain attack, which left 14 dead and dozens injured.

"It's not like a mistake or he meant well. This is a deliberate attempt to associate the president with this [attack]. They know what they're doing and that makes it even more appalling," she concluded.
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http://ins...pycat-charlottesville-virginia

that's some weird shit..
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Aug 18 11:22:54
Cnn is about as intelligent as trump
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 18 11:25:39
for the record... i've seen no one on CNN suggest Trump caused the Charlottesville attack... and they certainly never gave any implication Trump responsible for the Barcelona attack

noting same method of attack has no link to Trump at all... if not a psycho in perpetual Trump defense mode... they're the ones seeing Trump everywhere

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 18 11:28:16
"It's not like a mistake or he meant well. This is a deliberate attempt to associate the president with this [attack]. They know what they're doing and that makes it even more appalling," she concluded.


^this comment is what's outrageous & appalling
Rugian
Member
Fri Aug 18 11:37:19
tw is delusional. The left has absolutely tried to link Trump to Charlottesville. You really need me to go on a link storm to prove it?
Aeros
Member
Fri Aug 18 11:39:37
ISIS has been using vehicle attacks for years before Charlottesville.

Just thought this needing pointing out.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 18 11:40:47
you can make links of Trump to Charlottesville... he certainly has helped their movement w/ his anti-muslim, anti-mexican, anti-immigrant campaign

i've seen no one linking him to the car attack... AND there's NONE in simply noting both parties used same attack method

you don't need to develop a new method to have a copycat... can you say with 100% certainty that you knew for a fact the person who did it in the hours after attack didn't get the idea from recent news?

could've been any whacked out muslim thinking of a way to go out
INTERESTING FACTS
Member
Fri Aug 18 11:44:27
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-ramming_attack

A vehicle-ramming attack is a form of attack in which a perpetrator deliberately rams a motor vehicle into a building, crowd of people,[1][2] or another vehicle. The earliest known use of vehicle-ramming attack in their current form was the 2008 Jerusalem vehicular attack by Palestinian terrorists. According to Stratfor Global Intelligence analysts, this attack represented a new militant tactic which is less lethal but could prove more difficult to prevent than suicide bombings.



In chronological order:

1981 Iraqi embassy bombing, Beirut, Lebanon (not ramming pedestrians: ramming a specific building then exploding)
1983 Beirut barracks bombings, Lebanon (building ramming + exploding)
2001 Azor attack, Israel (ramming people, mostly soldiers)
2001 Jammu and Kashmir legislative assembly car bombing (building gate ramming + exploding + gunfire)
2002 Lyon car attack, France (building ramming + fire)
2006 UNC SUV attack, University of North Carolina, United States (ramming people)
2007 Glasgow International Airport attack, Scotland (building ramming + detonating gas cylinders)
2008 Jerusalem vehicular attack , Israel (ramming people)
2008 Jerusalem bulldozer attack, Israel (ramming people)
2011 Tel Aviv nightclub attack, Israel (ramming + stabbing)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 18 11:46:45
for Wolf to say 'i wonder if a copycat'
and to hear that as 'OMG, he's blaming Trump' is insane
hood
Member
Fri Aug 18 11:54:58
Watched link.

While I would reject any notion that Trump is implicated (based on the link from rugian), this is pretty clearly Glenn Beck's "I'm just asking questions" in attempting to tie the Nazi fiasco with Islamic terror.
obaminated
Member
Fri Aug 18 12:11:53
Yep, more CNN fake news. This is the guy on the phone is the same guy, I believe, who ran with the other fake news about Trump peeing on women and then complained that Trump never explicitly condemned the specific sex act he was accused of doing.
hood
Member
Fri Aug 18 12:15:44
You don't know what fake news is. There's nothing fake here.
Cold Rod
Member
Fri Aug 18 12:17:12
So you're saying that he pointed out they are shared tactics that terrorists use, is some type of imply that CNN is saying that it was inspired by Charlottesville?

You are reaching....
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 18 12:21:46
yes... please explain the 'fake news'
obaminated
Member
Fri Aug 18 12:33:36
They are pretending like this attack in Europe was anything but Islamic terror. And then pretended like it was possible this attack was inspired by neo nazis. It's fake and misleading which is why they did it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 18 12:40:14
you are hearing what you want to hear

odds you would've called it 'fake news' pre-Trump seems very low... more proof Trump is damaging America imo...
Cold Rod
Member
Fri Aug 18 12:47:07
"It's fake and misleading which is why they did it."

No, I think you are placing that inference yourself without any evidence of that with what the reporter said.

That is reaching to make such distinct connection.
Cold Rod
Member
Fri Aug 18 12:49:24
This is about as bad as morons saying that the only reason why the neo-nazi ran over people was because he was 'spooked' by someone hitting his car even though he accelerate towards the crowd of people.

Where any reasonable person seeing a crowd over people in the street would probably think "oh, this looks block, perhaps I should turn around and go in reverse and find another route."

hood
Member
Fri Aug 18 12:51:03
They noted that the attacks were similar in that it was a large vehicle driven at high speed into a crowd of people. They said that people will ask if it was a copycat thing. They didn't say it was. They didn't mention any motivation.

It was very Glenn Beck like in specifically not making any accusations, but there was nothing factually wrong with what they said. Fake news requires something to be outright fake. There was no such quality to what was posted here.
Dukhat
Member
Fri Aug 18 16:27:23
It just feeds into the Fake News narrative Trump repeats based off nothing and that's repeated in far-right media which reaches Rugian's ears 24/7 since that's what he surrounds himself with.

There are a lot of far-right memes now based off the cognitive diarrhea of Donald Trump and which losers like Rugian gobble up wholeheartedly.

It's sad and pathetic.
obaminated
Member
Fri Aug 18 17:17:43
♤ says the guy convinced anyone who disagrees with him is a Trump voter, despite being wrong on every issue and mocked by the left as much as the right.
Cherub Cow
Member
Fri Aug 18 18:24:05
[hood]: "Fake news requires something to be outright fake."

I almost posted this in a previous thread ( http://www...hread=80489&time=1498287206677 ), but it turned into a long, research-type post, so I didn't submit it.. But! It's relevant again, so I'll post the TLDR:
"While it might be better linguistically to say that articles like Daily Mail's, CNN's, Fox News', BBC's, Guardian's, etc. have 'sensational', 'distorted', or 'biased' titles rather than just calling them 'fake news', the 'fake news' phrase hasn't been clean for a long time. It's going through the same definition rewrites experienced by 'yellow journalism,' and probably mainstream media has earned the 'fake news' phrase by the phrase's altered definition."

..
I can post the long version of my un-posted comment, but basically Wiki has been having a war over the definition of "fake news" since at *least* November 2016 (it was used in a totally different way before then, like as a synonym for "satirical news"), when it was weaponized by the DNC to de-legitimize Trump via his deceived Facebook supporters. It went through further revisions in January 2017 when Trump tried to reverse the weapon onto its users (in that case: CNN). Its definition has gotten similar to "yellow journalism"'s definition because yellow journalism originally referred to factually incorrect information passed as truth, but yellow journalism's definition shifted over time to become synonymous with sensationalism, distortion, and biased journalism in addition to its origin definition of outright lies presented as truth.

Trolly McDick
Member
Fri Aug 18 18:26:37
"mocked by the left as much as the right."

Ironically you are in the same club.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Aug 18 19:37:35
Trump uses 'fake news' to imply actually fake... saying the sources don't exist (which is typical made-up BS)...and his HR mob also take it as meaning truly fake

Trump is poison
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