Utopia Talk / Politics / Trumps press conference

Aeros Member	Tue Aug 15 15:18:24 On now. Jesus christ what a dumpster fire.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 15 15:25:42 yeah...amazing... he just can't help himself
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 15 15:27:17 also his claim 'i wait to get all the facts before i make a statement'? really??? as if not dozens of contrary examples on twitter total mental illness... remove now
Paramount Member	Tue Aug 15 15:28:49 Fake news, they were not nazis?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 15 15:29:23 would be funny if all remaining CEOs bail immediately :p
Rugian Member	Tue Aug 15 15:47:28 Can someone summarize his points? I find it a lot easier to defend him if I dont have to listen from him directly.
Aeros Member	Tue Aug 15 15:54:31 He basically read the 4chan talking points verbatim. Saying the Leftists who were rioting were just as bad as the Nazi's. Yadda yadda. He didn't say anything that precisely "incorrect" (The counter protests were violent too, this is not really a debate). The glaring problem is that he did not sound Presidential at all. He also refused to specifically disavow the Nazi's, and instead said not "everyone who was there was a Nazi". Again, factually correct but ffs, a large number WERE Nazi's, and the answer to that question for a US President is always "no, I do not support Nazi's".
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 15 15:54:36 he wanted to insist that all sides had bad people and all had good people... probably not even wrong :p but he just doesn't get the impression it gives (plus praised himself & called media fake as usual) "Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists in BLM/Antifa" ~David Duke
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 15 15:57:13 ...plus his total delusional lie that he waited on his statement cause he likes to have all the facts... that it would be wrong to make a statement before doing so... despite his instant tweets on muslims & Obama & fraud voting, etc before any facts known
Sam Adams Member	Tue Aug 15 15:58:11 The left is losing their shit because he said leftist rioters deserved part of the blame. Trump is correct, and the medias collective snowflake meltdown in response is the reason people voted for trump in the first place.
Aeros Member	Tue Aug 15 15:58:39 btw, this Press conference was supposed to be about advancing an Infrastructure initiative. I am sure everyone in the media and in the country writ large will now focus on his Infrastructure plan that outlined here.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Aug 15 15:59:58 Seriously, theres plenty of idiotic trump shit to find without all this snowflake bullshit having to get made up over every single trump statement.
Paramount Member	Tue Aug 15 16:02:33 lol, Trump will never get anything done. No one cares about infrastructure when Trump is almost defending Nazis.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 15 16:23:56 he actually sided more with the Nazis as he noted the other side didn't have a permit
hood Member	Tue Aug 15 16:27:54 "Seriously, theres plenty of idiotic trump shit to find without all this snowflake bullshit having to get made up over every single trump statement." I would call our president being a potential nazi sympathizer an extremely important topic.
obaminated Member	Tue Aug 15 16:30:43 He actually didn't say anything incorrect. He mostly said what everyone on the right and fair minded left have been saying. Both crowds were bad. Not all of them were neo nazis. Taking down these statues needs to be treated carefully. Thankfully he didn't go after the fact that the police allowed two opposing groups of people, armed with weapons, reach each other.
obaminated Member	Tue Aug 15 16:33:06 He condemned nazis and other hate groups. He didn't sympathize with them. He simply stated the truth of the matter which is something snowflakes in the media, on social platforms and on this forum refuse to acknowledge. This is why when asked what he said that was incorrect, neither tw or aeros were able to point to anything. The media is just filled with cucks who can't take stand Trump.
obaminated Member	Tue Aug 15 16:34:11 And yes, the march had a legal permit. The counter protest was illegally blocking traffic. Again, the police really shit the bed.
Cold Rod Member	Tue Aug 15 16:35:21 "And yes, the march had a legal permit. " Until the police declared it unlawful assembly, then itself became illegal. But cuckserves hate facts.
Paramount Member	Tue Aug 15 16:39:32 "He [Trump] said left-wing protesters "came violently attacking the other group." Like this. Left-wing protesters came violently attacking the other peaceful group: http://ear...y-invasion-france-pictures.jpg
hood Member	Tue Aug 15 17:16:44 "Not all of them were neo nazis." They took up march with neo nazis. It doesn't matter if they aren't self identifying here, they are equal scum.
The Third Reich Member	Tue Aug 15 17:18:21 This was the greatest press conference Trump has ever given!
obaminated Member	Tue Aug 15 17:29:21 And hey look, the left on this board once again can't dispute facts. Snowflakes.
Cold Rod Member	Tue Aug 15 17:38:38 Kinda like you overlooking the fact that the police declared the rally an unlawful assembly? Are shock that this cuckservitard is incapable of grasping facts, yet accuse others not being able to dispute it?
hood Member	Tue Aug 15 18:04:14 And hey look, the right on this board once again display an utter contemptible amount of tribalism. Tards.
obaminated Member	Tue Aug 15 18:16:35 It isn't tribalism to admit facts. And was the rally declared unlawful before or after they were allowed to battle the opposite side?
Aeros Member	Tue Aug 15 18:23:41 Lets take a moment to think of the real victims here. The White House staffers as they watched their boss go way off script.
obaminated Member	Tue Aug 15 18:37:22 It would be hard to work for Trump and then go to a big family get together.
Dukhat Member	Tue Aug 15 20:35:02 Can't wait until Trump is gone and all the alt-right trolls go back to their deep dark places. Every day you get older and closer to being a useless piece of shit like Hot Rod whining all day and waiting for death and a quick trip to hell. Go do something with your lives you stupid shits.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 15 22:12:24 "He actually didn't say anything incorrect." TRUMP: "When I make a statement, I like to be correct. I want the facts. This event just happened. A lot of the event didn't happen yet as we were speaking. This event just happened. Before I make a statement, I need the facts. I don't want to rush into a statement. So making the statement when I made it was excellent."
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 15 22:14:33 exhibit 93274: "Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!" http://twi...ump/status/837989835818287106?
hood Member	Tue Aug 15 22:19:57 "It isn't tribalism to admit facts." Facts require context. The context of your facts is that it's perfectly ok to support the rally and condemn the other rioters as terrible people because -some- of the nazi group weren't actually nazis. Sure, this is fact. But it completely discounts the fact that these non-nazi nazis were completely comfortable being at a rally/parade/march with a bunch of actual nazis. That tells you something about these non-nazi people. They may not be nazi in name, but they clearly are just as despicable. It really doesn't matter how bad the opposition group is here. Do they advocate for genocide? Then they're a fuck ton better than the nazis. It's really that simple. The tribalism comes in when you end up defending nazis because they support the head of your political party. It just really shouldn't be too hard. Anyone who was there on the nazi side is truly one of the "deplorables" that Hillary referenced (I bring this up because she was fucking stupid and retardedly wrong when she said that. However, in this instance, it truly applies). You can condemn the nazis and call them bad apples. It's perfectly reasonable. Nobody here is defending the opposition beyond "they're better than nazis..." which, as you so enjoy pointing out, is just a fact.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Aug 15 23:43:10 hood - But it completely discounts the fact that these non-nazi nazis were completely comfortable being at a rally/parade/march with a bunch of actual nazis. I recall back in the early 80's when I was a member of the radical caucus we were planning an anti-draft march. There was a member of the Communist Party at the meeting. Expediency can make strange bed fellows/
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Aug 16 00:40:29 a guy who once defended Trump on CNN noted even if you're a good person who just cares about statues, once you notice you're marching with nazis using hateful chants you either leave or lose your good person card
Forwyn Member	Wed Aug 16 01:48:51 "There was a member of the Communist Party at the meeting." Brennan?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 16 10:10:42 Just as with the liberal press you folks are only discussing Trump's words instead of a word about the subject of the press conference, sigh!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Aug 16 10:27:47 he held up a long flow chart that no one could possibly see, then held up a smaller flow chart that no one could possibly see and assured us he wouldn't destroy the environment... cause his word is his bond
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Aug 16 12:21:04 after an 8th CEO resigned, Trump says he's disbanding the council... and Congress... the regional governors now have direct control over their territories part of that is accurate http://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/897869174323728385
obaminated Member	Wed Aug 16 12:32:27 "guy who once defended Trump on CNN noted even if you're a good person who just cares about statues, once you notice you're marching with nazis using hateful chants you either leave or lose your good person card " This is stupid. Just because someone shitty shares your belief on an issue doesn't mean that belief is wrong.
obaminated Member	Wed Aug 16 12:33:36 And we really have no context to the march. Somehow the fake news media hasn't been able to come up with numbers. We see about 50 assholes with weapons in a crowd of who knows? 100? 1000?
Aeros Member	Wed Aug 16 12:57:30 Those 50 assholes were the oathkeepers. Not Nazi's, but Libertarian ex-soldiers all about muh rights and muh constitution.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Aug 16 13:30:49 "This is stupid. Just because someone shitty shares your belief on an issue doesn't mean that belief is wrong. " the event was organized by white nationalists, not statue-loving historians... so it's not like nazis showed up at the statue protest... but it's possible statue-lovers showed up at the nazi rally... however seems like it should've been clear... i haven't seen any videos where it's unclear but perhaps it exists... Trump defenders surely will scour for it & present
Bushisdabestpresi Member	Wed Aug 16 22:10:32 i remembr when obamu denunced black powre /sapremcy groups after 5 white cops was gunned down at blm dalas not...rofl
jergul large member	Thu Aug 17 01:33:25 12.5 by 2020.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Aug 17 07:19:19 FOX went back and checked. Every time something similar happened in history ***NOT*** a single President denounced the bad guys. President Trump is the ***ONLY*** one that has ever spoken out against the evil.
Trolly McSerious Member	Thu Aug 17 07:57:42 Apparently Fox is horrible at fact-checking because Reagan did as did Bush I.
UP Factcheck Member	Thu Aug 17 08:06:58 Lyndon Johnson: http://www...-murder-of-civil-rights-worker
Cold Rod Member	Thu Aug 17 09:08:49 Did Fox News happen to fact-check which white supremacists organizations are outwardly saying that their president is supporting their cause?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Aug 17 09:44:50 "FOX went back and checked" sounds as fake as a Trump claim... was it Fox & Friends?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Aug 17 10:24:40 seems like the strategy is to pretend its all about the statues... all Trump defenders will be talking statues now
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Aug 17 11:00:14 UP Factcheck, Unable to view your video. Do you have another link? It is indeed all about the statues and the history they represent.
Cold Rod Member	Thu Aug 17 13:16:32 What the Neo-Nazi white supremacist group did they used the statues as a tool. It was not about the statues it was about a message they wanted to relay to the public. That was a stage they could utilize to do so. It is amazing that stupid motherfuckers like yourself buy into that. Where is factually noun that most of the statues will put up during a time of the Civil Rights Movement and they continued afterwards. It is also factual that Robert E Lee declare that any type of monuments in regards to the Confederacy or to what happened or transpired in the country he was not for it because it was causing too much division.
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