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Hot Rod
Revved Up Tue Aug 15 02:57:45

Both Korean leaders, US signal turn to diplomacy amid crisis

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea's military on Tuesday presented leader Kim Jong Un with plans to launch missiles into waters near Guam and "wring the windpipes of the Yankees," even as both Koreas and the United States signaled their willingness to avert a deepening crisis, with each suggesting a path toward negotiations.

August 15, 2017

The tentative interest in diplomacy follows unusually combative threats between President Donald Trump and North Korea amid worries that Pyongyang is nearing its long-sought goal of accurately being able to send a nuclear missile to the U.S. mainland. Next week's start of U.S.-South Korean military exercises that enrage the North each year make it unclear, however, if diplomacy will prevail.

During an inspection of the North Korean army's Strategic Forces, which handles the missile program, Kim praised the military for drawing up a "close and careful plan" and said he would watch the "foolish and stupid conduct of the Yankees" a little more before deciding whether to order the missile test, the North's state-run Korean Central News Agency said. Kim appeared in photos sitting at a table with a large map marked by a straight line between what appeared to be northeastern North Korea and Guam, and passing over Japan — apparently showing the missiles' flight route.

The missile plans were previously announced. Kim said North Korea would conduct the launches if the "Yankees persist in their extremely dangerous reckless actions on the Korean Peninsula and its vicinity," and that the United States should "think reasonably and judge properly" to avoid shaming itself, the news agency said.

Lobbing missiles toward Guam, a major U.S. military hub in the Pacific, would be a deeply provocative act from the U.S. perspective, and a miscalculation on either side could lead to a military clash. U.S. Defense Secretary James Mattis said the United States would take out any such missile seen to be heading for American soil and declared any such North Korean attack could mean war.

Kim's comments, however, with their conditional tone, seemed to hold out the possibility that friction could ease if the United States made some sort of gesture that Pyongyang considered a move to back away from previous "extremely dangerous reckless actions."

That could refer to the U.S.-South Korean military drills set to begin Monday, which the North claims are rehearsals for invasion. It also could refer to the B-1B bombers that the U.S. has occasionally flown over the Korean Peninsula as a show of force.

South Korean President Moon Jae-in, meanwhile, a liberal who favors engagement with the North, urged North Korea to stop provocations and to commit to talks over its nuclear weapons program. Moon, in a televised speech Tuesday on the anniversary of the end of World War II and the Korean Peninsula's liberation from Japanese colonial rule, said that Seoul and Washington agree that the crisis over the North's nuclear program should "absolutely be solved peacefully," and that no U.S. military action on the Korean Peninsula could be taken without Seoul's consent.

Moon said the North could create conditions for talks by stopping nuclear and missile tests. "Our government will put everything on the line to prevent another war on the Korean Peninsula," Moon said. "Regardless of whatever twist and turns we could experience, the North Korean nuclear program should absolutely be solved peacefully, and the (South Korean) government and the U.S. government don't have a different position on this."

The chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Marine Corps Gen. Joseph Dunford, on Monday met with senior South Korean military and political officials and the local media, and made comments that appeared to be an attempt to ease anxiety while also showing a willingness to back Trump's warnings if need be.

Dunford said the United States wants to peacefully resolve tensions with North Korea, but Washington is also ready to use the "full range" of its military capabilities in case of provocation. Dunford is visiting South Korea, Japan and China after a week in which Trump declared the U.S. military "locked and loaded" and said he was ready to unleash "fire and fury" if North Korea continued to threaten the United States.

North Korea's military had said last week it would finalize and send to Kim for approval the plan to fire four ballistic missiles near Guam, which is about 3,200 kilometers (2,000 miles) from Pyongyang.

The plans are based on the Hwasong-12, a new missile the country successfully flight-tested for the first time in May. The liquid-fuel missile is designed to be fired from road mobile launchers and has been previously described by North Korea as built for attacking Alaska and Hawaii.

The North followed the May launch with two flight tests of its Hwasong-14 intercontinental ballistic missile last month. Analysts said that a wide swath of the continental United States, including Los Angeles and Chicago, could be within reach of those missiles, once they're perfected.

The North's latest report said Kim ordered his military to be prepared to launch the missiles toward Guam at any time. Kim said that if the "planned fire of power demonstration" is carried out because of U.S. recklessness, it will be "the most delightful historic moment when the Hwasong artillerymen will wring the windpipes of the Yankees and point daggers at their necks," the North reported.

North Korea is angry about new United Nations sanctions over its expanding nuclear weapons and missile program and the upcoming military drills between Washington and Seoul. Kim said the United States must "make a proper option first and show it through action, as it committed provocations after introducing huge nuclear strategic equipment into the vicinity of the peninsula" and that it "should stop at once arrogant provocations" against North Korea, state media said.

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Hot Rod
Revved Up Tue Aug 15 05:07:24

Our SecWar said 'if North Korea fires at us it is game on'.

Looks like Kim has nixed the plans to fire missiles at the vicinity of Guam.

patom
Member Tue Aug 15 05:31:53
A prudent move on his part.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Tue Aug 15 05:35:24

LOL, so true.

Trolly
Member Tue Aug 15 05:50:57
You mean the thrrats he always made before then backs down happened again!?

Trolly
Member Tue Aug 15 05:51:14
Threats*

Hot Rod
Revved Up Tue Aug 15 07:04:43

This is a very, very, very large win for President Trump.

I don't see how anyone that is balanced can not agree.

If the talks do in fact lead to NK getting rid of their nukes and missiles it will be monumental.

yankeessuck123
Member Tue Aug 15 07:06:25
How on earth can you see this as a win? This is standard operating procedure for NK. They make big threats to get everyone worked up, and then ultimately do nothing. All Trump succeeded in doing is pushing them to make even bigger threats, to the point people actually started to get nervous. Great leadership!

Hot Rod
Revved Up Tue Aug 15 07:21:12

yankee - All Trump succeeded in doing is pushing them to make even bigger threats...

And there is the win. Trump pushed and pushed and pushed until Kim's back was against the wall.

Our SecWar said 'if North Korea fires at us it is game on'. He was talking about war.

Kim had no choice but to back down from his loudest and most dangerous threats to date.

What happened in the past is our residents caved into his threats, A.K.A. extortion.

Trump told him, in essence, put up or shut up.

Kim gave in and now the leaders will sit down face to face and Trump is not going to give them a bushel of wheat and come back home.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Tue Aug 15 07:25:32
*-our Presidents caved into...

Cold Rod
Member Tue Aug 15 07:27:58
Cuckserves are so stupid. NK makes threats, then back down.

Can we pull out the many other instances where this occur?

By that logic that every president since clinton technically "pushed them back against a wall".

Unless you specifically think the US would not retaliate ever if NK should ever attack?

Hot rod is stupid.

Wrath of Orion
Member Tue Aug 15 09:15:07
lmfao

Hack Rod is so detached from reality.

obaminated
Member Tue Aug 15 11:50:14
I'm not surprised that the leftist on this board are buying into the false new narrative of this being standard NK procedure. It isn't. In the past they would back down because we would offer them something. This time they backed down because we threatened China and China told NK to sit down. It's a good thing, but we need to see where we are in 6 months to see if its a minor or major win.

Cold Rod
Member Tue Aug 15 12:07:56
"standard NK procedure. It isn't. In the past they would back down because we would offer them something. This time they backed down because we threatened China and China told NK to sit down"

Like the many other instances before too. Or do you just ignore history except with it comes to Trump as it is currently implanted in your ass?

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Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Aug 15 02:57:45 Both Korean leaders, US signal turn to diplomacy amid crisis SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea's military on Tuesday presented leader Kim Jong Un with plans to launch missiles into waters near Guam and "wring the windpipes of the Yankees," even as both Koreas and the United States signaled their willingness to avert a deepening crisis, with each suggesting a path toward negotiations. August 15, 2017 The tentative interest in diplomacy follows unusually combative threats between President Donald Trump and North Korea amid worries that Pyongyang is nearing its long-sought goal of accurately being able to send a nuclear missile to the U.S. mainland. Next week's start of U.S.-South Korean military exercises that enrage the North each year make it unclear, however, if diplomacy will prevail. During an inspection of the North Korean army's Strategic Forces, which handles the missile program, Kim praised the military for drawing up a "close and careful plan" and said he would watch the "foolish and stupid conduct of the Yankees" a little more before deciding whether to order the missile test, the North's state-run Korean Central News Agency said. Kim appeared in photos sitting at a table with a large map marked by a straight line between what appeared to be northeastern North Korea and Guam, and passing over Japan — apparently showing the missiles' flight route. The missile plans were previously announced. Kim said North Korea would conduct the launches if the "Yankees persist in their extremely dangerous reckless actions on the Korean Peninsula and its vicinity," and that the United States should "think reasonably and judge properly" to avoid shaming itself, the news agency said. Lobbing missiles toward Guam, a major U.S. military hub in the Pacific, would be a deeply provocative act from the U.S. perspective, and a miscalculation on either side could lead to a military clash. U.S. Defense Secretary James Mattis said the United States would take out any such missile seen to be heading for American soil and declared any such North Korean attack could mean war. Kim's comments, however, with their conditional tone, seemed to hold out the possibility that friction could ease if the United States made some sort of gesture that Pyongyang considered a move to back away from previous "extremely dangerous reckless actions." That could refer to the U.S.-South Korean military drills set to begin Monday, which the North claims are rehearsals for invasion. It also could refer to the B-1B bombers that the U.S. has occasionally flown over the Korean Peninsula as a show of force. South Korean President Moon Jae-in, meanwhile, a liberal who favors engagement with the North, urged North Korea to stop provocations and to commit to talks over its nuclear weapons program. Moon, in a televised speech Tuesday on the anniversary of the end of World War II and the Korean Peninsula's liberation from Japanese colonial rule, said that Seoul and Washington agree that the crisis over the North's nuclear program should "absolutely be solved peacefully," and that no U.S. military action on the Korean Peninsula could be taken without Seoul's consent. Moon said the North could create conditions for talks by stopping nuclear and missile tests. "Our government will put everything on the line to prevent another war on the Korean Peninsula," Moon said. "Regardless of whatever twist and turns we could experience, the North Korean nuclear program should absolutely be solved peacefully, and the (South Korean) government and the U.S. government don't have a different position on this." The chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Marine Corps Gen. Joseph Dunford, on Monday met with senior South Korean military and political officials and the local media, and made comments that appeared to be an attempt to ease anxiety while also showing a willingness to back Trump's warnings if need be. Dunford said the United States wants to peacefully resolve tensions with North Korea, but Washington is also ready to use the "full range" of its military capabilities in case of provocation. Dunford is visiting South Korea, Japan and China after a week in which Trump declared the U.S. military "locked and loaded" and said he was ready to unleash "fire and fury" if North Korea continued to threaten the United States. North Korea's military had said last week it would finalize and send to Kim for approval the plan to fire four ballistic missiles near Guam, which is about 3,200 kilometers (2,000 miles) from Pyongyang. The plans are based on the Hwasong-12, a new missile the country successfully flight-tested for the first time in May. The liquid-fuel missile is designed to be fired from road mobile launchers and has been previously described by North Korea as built for attacking Alaska and Hawaii. The North followed the May launch with two flight tests of its Hwasong-14 intercontinental ballistic missile last month. Analysts said that a wide swath of the continental United States, including Los Angeles and Chicago, could be within reach of those missiles, once they're perfected. The North's latest report said Kim ordered his military to be prepared to launch the missiles toward Guam at any time. Kim said that if the "planned fire of power demonstration" is carried out because of U.S. recklessness, it will be "the most delightful historic moment when the Hwasong artillerymen will wring the windpipes of the Yankees and point daggers at their necks," the North reported. North Korea is angry about new United Nations sanctions over its expanding nuclear weapons and missile program and the upcoming military drills between Washington and Seoul. Kim said the United States must "make a proper option first and show it through action, as it committed provocations after introducing huge nuclear strategic equipment into the vicinity of the peninsula" and that it "should stop at once arrogant provocations" against North Korea, state media said. http://www...id-cr.html#.7518-stage-hero1-2
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Aug 15 05:07:24 Our SecWar said 'if North Korea fires at us it is game on'. Looks like Kim has nixed the plans to fire missiles at the vicinity of Guam.
patom Member	Tue Aug 15 05:31:53 A prudent move on his part.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Aug 15 05:35:24 LOL, so true.
Trolly Member	Tue Aug 15 05:50:57 You mean the thrrats he always made before then backs down happened again!?
Trolly Member	Tue Aug 15 05:51:14 Threats*
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Aug 15 07:04:43 This is a very, very, very large win for President Trump. I don't see how anyone that is balanced can not agree. If the talks do in fact lead to NK getting rid of their nukes and missiles it will be monumental.
yankeessuck123 Member	Tue Aug 15 07:06:25 How on earth can you see this as a win? This is standard operating procedure for NK. They make big threats to get everyone worked up, and then ultimately do nothing. All Trump succeeded in doing is pushing them to make even bigger threats, to the point people actually started to get nervous. Great leadership!
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Aug 15 07:21:12 yankee - All Trump succeeded in doing is pushing them to make even bigger threats... And there is the win. Trump pushed and pushed and pushed until Kim's back was against the wall. Our SecWar said 'if North Korea fires at us it is game on'. He was talking about war. Kim had no choice but to back down from his loudest and most dangerous threats to date. What happened in the past is our residents caved into his threats, A.K.A. extortion. Trump told him, in essence, put up or shut up. Kim gave in and now the leaders will sit down face to face and Trump is not going to give them a bushel of wheat and come back home.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Aug 15 07:25:32 *-our Presidents caved into...
Cold Rod Member	Tue Aug 15 07:27:58 Cuckserves are so stupid. NK makes threats, then back down. Can we pull out the many other instances where this occur? By that logic that every president since clinton technically "pushed them back against a wall". Unless you specifically think the US would not retaliate ever if NK should ever attack? Hot rod is stupid.
Wrath of Orion Member	Tue Aug 15 09:15:07 lmfao Hack Rod is so detached from reality.
obaminated Member	Tue Aug 15 11:50:14 I'm not surprised that the leftist on this board are buying into the false new narrative of this being standard NK procedure. It isn't. In the past they would back down because we would offer them something. This time they backed down because we threatened China and China told NK to sit down. It's a good thing, but we need to see where we are in 6 months to see if its a minor or major win.
Cold Rod Member	Tue Aug 15 12:07:56 "standard NK procedure. It isn't. In the past they would back down because we would offer them something. This time they backed down because we threatened China and China told NK to sit down" Like the many other instances before too. Or do you just ignore history except with it comes to Trump as it is currently implanted in your ass?
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