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chuck
Member
Sun Aug 13 14:27:42
This is an intervention. Please have a seat.

I've been around UP for a sizable chunk of my life now. It's generally been an on and off affair for me but I've been here either posting or lurking since the good political contributors left Earth GT many moons ago.

Popping in and out as I have has insulated me from the gradual changes that have remade the board's dynamic while also making the changes that much more apparent when I do come around. I feel like this is the worst I've ever seen UP. I'm worried about you guys.

When I come back I expect to pick up right where I left off. You figure people will always be who they always have been. Hot Rod will still be alive, Cherub Cow will still be making 90% of all posts on Movie Talk, chuckles gonna chuckle, etc. Over the last year or so though, things have taken a turn for the worst.

You're all so much more angry and less willing to just stop and think for a second. Many of the people who would provide a counterargument now just troll behind multis. Others have changed their stripes. Others have just left. Without opposing viewpoints, you've fallen into a self-reinforcing monoculture that is leading you further and further afield. You're angrier and angrier over smaller and smaller incidents. If I say "Evergreen State", for instance, you don't seem to think "what a bunch of college dipshits" - you froth. "THIS is what is wrong with America. THIS is what everybody more liberal than Tom Cotton wants. THIS is why we need a really, really big change."

That rage is addictive though. It will grow without bounds and swallow you while you look for your next rage fix from the harder stuff.

If you spend the next five years of your life raging and frothing like this, becoming angrier and angrier, you will become marginalized and you will have missed your chance to build a life. You can't sit on the internet frothing for N hours a day and hope to turn it off like a switch and then go out and take what the world gives you. It seeps through into everything.

Almost all of us started off in more or less the same boat. We were nerdy kids playing a text-based computer game in the late 90s. You were smart, you were curious and you probably had plans. Some things in the world are getting worse. There are things to be upset about. Don't let that induce you to settle for being grown men and women raging against the horrible Others on an internet forum. If you're a retiree living out his last years with no relatives, maybe that's the best use of your time. Otherwise, it's just not. Do better. Buy the ticket. Take the ride. Live long and prosper.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Aug 13 14:37:45
a completely ignorant child who spews continuous obvious made-up lies is sitting in the White House

now is the time to be continuously annoyed & hateful
obaminated
Member
Sun Aug 13 14:41:02
Your lack of self awareness is astounding, Chuck. You literally said siding with a neo Nazi on any issue is bad. That is a profoundly infantile statement that to genuinely back.
obaminated
Member
Sun Aug 13 14:41:13
That you* genuinely
obaminated
Member
Sun Aug 13 14:48:09
And it's sort of hilarious that the people on the left think the people on the right are the ones who are angry right now.
chuck
Member
Sun Aug 13 15:01:34
"a completely ignorant child who spews continuous obvious made-up lies is sitting in the White House"

No doubt. He'll be dead and gone in 10 years and you'll still be around though. If you're going to spend your time and anger on it, find a way with a higher payoff. No difference to be made spending that time, here.


obaminated
Sun Aug 13 14:41:02
obaminated
Sun Aug 13 14:41:13
obaminated
Sun Aug 13 14:48:09

Shhhhhhhhh
McKobb
Member
Sun Aug 13 15:13:25
http://youtu.be/swVoXHVW-jI
jergul
large member
Sun Aug 13 15:22:59
Chuck
It aint all bad. The forum is still the quickest way to stay relatively on top of world affairs. I think of it as my notepad++++. I read shit, post stuff, and get free "peer" reviews.
hood
Member
Sun Aug 13 15:31:37
"You literally said siding with a neo Nazi on any issue is bad."

He actually literally said that all things neo nazi is bad. One could, as you did, interpret this to mean that anything a neo nazi believes is automatically bad. This is precisely what chuck was talking about here with his post.

A more likely interpretation of what chuck said is "all ideas that are born from the ideology of neo Nazis are bad." This is not the same as what you interpreted his words to mean.

One could take an issue neo Nazis are likely to have a strong stance on to see how this works:

Gun control/ownership - it's very likely that neo Nazis are a fan of guns and very pro second amendment.

Eradicating unclean ethnicities - I used unclean for a lack of a better word at the time, but surely you understand my intent. Neo Nazis are all for getting rid of the lesser.



Now, here's what you did:
OMG NEO NAZIS ARE ALWAYS WRONG, CHUCK JUST SAID THAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS WRONF BECAUSE NEO NAZIS BELIEVE IN IT!!!!!! Yeah, they want to get rid of the undesirables, but we know that's bad. BUT GUNS!?!?

What a rational person would do:
Well, while neo Nazis may have a specific stance on guns, this isn't a uniquely neo nazi stance. It's more of a correlation than a causation. It seems when one says neo nazi stuff is always bad, it refers to the decidedly neo nazi shit like racism, attempting to remove the unwanted, etc.



We're in the US so we are going to afford the neo Nazis their right to say stupid shit. They can have their parades and be retarded. Doesn't change the fact that they're fucking neo Nazis and should be ridiculed and scorned and even possibly ostricized (in the "left alone and excluded" sense, not the "removed" sense). Just about any group is still much better than neo Nazis. Even hot rod in his infinite ignorance is better.
John Adams
Member
Sun Aug 13 15:32:18
I typically pick and choose which topics to engage. Based upon the openness of the thread or topic itself. I also tend to ignore certain posters as they are incapable for 'thinking outside the box' or see the bigger picture of things in course of their actions. And of course their arguments are too correlative or generalized to really have a discussion nor debate. But I do agree with your sentiment, Chuck.
John Adams
Member
Sun Aug 13 15:34:17
"What a rational person would do:
Well, while neo Nazis may have a specific stance on guns, this isn't a uniquely neo nazi stance. It's more of a correlation than a causation. It seems when one says neo nazi stuff is always bad, it refers to the decidedly neo nazi shit like racism, attempting to remove the unwanted, etc. "

This is specifically a point that I am making.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Aug 13 15:46:29

Chuck, your OP is sound and well thought out.

Good job.

John Adams
Member
Sun Aug 13 15:46:45
"You literally said siding with a neo Nazi on any issue is bad."

I can't ignore this, though I do typically ignore your posts and on rare occasion respond to you. But I am going to point something out to you.

Yes, in essence siding with a neo-nazi on 'any issue' is bad. Why? The ideology they represent and spread. Regardless if it is their right to do, or say or think. In any civilized society that wants a fair and balance, cliche I know, way to live that allows anyone to pursue what and how they want to live without the freedom of persecution, scrutiny, and outright bigotry.

This country, in fact the world as a whole has come a long way. The beautiful thing about where we live, United States of America. We have had our struggles and we have progressed. For the most part, progression is a good thing. For the most part, the changes in this country has been the better as a whole. Are they growing pains? Are their issues that get overlooked? Of course, and that goes with any progression or anything in society as we move forward.

The general principles that neo-nazi or any identified hate group are counter-productive and regresses the society. They are a bane and the ilk on society that would rather continue the institutionalization that many have fought, protested, and brought awareness to make things better for those who have been disenfranchised through the course of our history.

We move forward and press forward. If you cannot understand what hate groups, more specifically neo-nazis, and I am using it as a term to describe all hate groups with this mindset, what they represent and the only thing you can find that is common with them or you agree. Then I have the feel you have a poor understanding how such notions operate.

Hood brought up an excellent example and in fact that I would most likely agree with a person who is a neo-nazi that I may be unknowing that they are, but have the opinion that too much government is bad. Then I would say, yes. I agree. That is an issue that I can stand with. However, discovering they are a neo-nazi makes them null and void in my book and I have no respect for them. Even though I agree with the concept that 'too much government' is bad.

Do not take out of context of what Chuck or anyone else for that matter that do not agree such groups have hold the opinion, as I do, that this type of mindset, movement, or ideology has no place. Period.
zavyx
Member
Mon Aug 14 08:34:47
this is slightly off to the side of this topic, but I recently saw a report on the t.v here in Australia, there was a jew from the 'anti-defamation league' (I didn't even know we had any of those guys here in Australia) and he was complaining about how neo-nazis are wron, neo nazis are bad, neo nazie are terrible people.

so why is it ok for a jew to say he doesn't like nazis because he disagrees with their polotics and beliefs, but when a neo nazi says he doesn't like jews, he's a bigot and racist and a NAZI?

its ok for jews to hate nazis, but its not acceptable for a nazi to hate a jew.
zavyx
Member
Mon Aug 14 08:38:39
oh how stupid of me, jews are gods 'chosen people' they are the only people on the earth who have laws against speaking badly of them.

U.S.A still thinks they won world war two, what did they win?

they won the right to be ruled by jewish bankers and stock-brokers, and it only took them two generations to bring the U.S.A to its knees.
Seb
Member
Mon Aug 14 09:26:09
Are you serious?
Seb
Member
Mon Aug 14 09:27:56
NAZIs hate Jews for who they are.

Jews (and all right thinking people) hate NAZIs for their intolerant bullshit.

If NAZIs stop being NAZIs, people stop hating them.

NAZIs only stop hating Jews when Jews are dead.
Seb
Member
Mon Aug 14 09:27:56
NAZIs hate Jews for who they are.

Jews (and all right thinking people) hate NAZIs for their intolerant bullshit.

If NAZIs stop being NAZIs, people stop hating them.

NAZIs only stop hating Jews when Jews are dead.
The Children
Member
Mon Aug 14 09:30:44
chuck gonna cuck.

on a sidenote, im guessin the increased anger issues is due 2 witnessin da decline of there country first hand lol

i know i got angrier coz of how unfair life is. when first started up, i remember i was still young and full of hopes then...now, i know life sucks
Daemon
Member
Mon Aug 14 09:39:27
"You literally said siding with a neo Nazi on any issue is bad."

Would you side on an issue with the IS?
zavyx
Member
Mon Aug 14 09:56:58
so what you're really trying to say here, is that you wont tolerate nazis. its ok for you to be intolerant of nazis, but its not ok for nazis to be intolerant of jews. jews can justify their hatred of nazis, but nazi hatred of jews is unjustifiable.
zavyx
Member
Mon Aug 14 10:10:48
no Im not serious, Im never serious. Ive never been serious. I will never be serious.
zavyx
Member
Mon Aug 14 10:17:04
what I do here, is kind of like 'nazi - stoner humour' like I dropped acid then watched all of cheech and chong movies with a dubbed german voice track.
chuck
Member
Mon Aug 14 10:42:30
The Children
Mon Aug 14 09:30:44

Not surprised you would hide behind this account. Coward.
Paramount
Member
Mon Aug 14 10:52:58
" they are the only people on the earth who have laws against speaking badly of them. "


Not really. In Sweden we have a law that is called "Hets mot folkgrupp", english translation: Incitement against ethnic group

Which basically is like your Hate Speech laws, I think.

Anyway, if you say 'bad things' about Jews, Muslims, Blacks, Whites, Asians, Gays, etc, you might have broken the law. But I think our courts are rather relaxed about this law and often let things slip.

However, Jews are unique in the way that in most countries it is a crime punishable with jail, if you happen to have and express an opinion about the holocaust that is different from the one that is in the history book.

It is okay to have a different opinion on every other historic event: the moonlanding, the vietnam war, and you are allowed to deny global warming. But, if you say something about the holocaust you can end up in jail. It's funny that Israel hasn't recognized the Armenian Genocide, but expects that everyone must recognize the holocaust. And as far as I know there is no specific law that criminalize denying the Armenian Genocide or any other genocide.
The Children
Member
Mon Aug 14 10:58:55
chuck
Mon Aug 14 10:42:30
The Children
Mon Aug 14 09:30:44

Not surprised you would hide behind this account. Coward. "

>> whose hidin biotch.
no no no no, i have no need 2 hide.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Aug 14 12:09:59
So right of the bat we have two long posts, one bordering on wall of text territory, responding to 2 sentences that Obaminated threw out of himself, most likely posting bored sitting on the toilet taking a shit.

'nuff said really.
Paramount
Member
Mon Aug 14 12:30:19
Oh yeah... I forgot... if you raise your hand and say "Heil Hitler", they can put you in jail. But a leftist can raise his hand and say "Long live [leftist hero]" without having to go to jail. I bet a leftist would even get away with saying "kill the nazis".
Forwyn
Member
Mon Aug 14 12:43:06
ITT:

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
obaminated
Member
Mon Aug 14 13:30:24
Yeah the self aggrandizement in this thread is embarrassing. Freedom of speech applies to everyone or it means nothing to everyone. This means, while I don't condone racism or neo nazis, I respect the first amendment enough to allow them their place in our society, however uncomfortable it personally makes me. They gave had peaceful marches in the past.
obaminated
Member
Mon Aug 14 13:31:57
And they will have peaceful marches in the future. In the future the police will hopefully recognize that allowing two large protest groups to interact with each other, when they are walking around in armor and with improvised weapons (on both sides) is probably not a good thing and should be prevented.
obaminated
Member
Mon Aug 14 13:32:59
And yes, I do most of my posting while I'm taking a dump or idly watching a tv. But John, I am greatly honored to have you finally respond to me, because I know it's important to you, to talk about how important you are.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Aug 14 13:39:21

This is not going to stop until the authorities crack down.

They know who are bussed in, those that come dressed as some kind of Ninja wannabes and the various and sundry others that are making trouble.

Catch them, hold them without bail. prosecute them speedily and if they are found guilty give them the maximum + one day.

That one day is to make sure they sit out every day of their sentence.

hood
Member
Mon Aug 14 13:54:30
Rod is unabashedly anti American.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Aug 14 13:59:37

hood believes that violence instigated by the left is the only solution to political differences.

If that ravage and murder everyone on the right that opposes his way of thinking.


Trolly McSerious
Member
Mon Aug 14 15:06:32
Apparently hot rod believes that it's okay to drive a car into protesters and killing people.
John Adams
Member
Mon Aug 14 16:09:49
"I respect the first amendment enough to allow them their place in our society, however uncomfortable it personally makes me. They gave had peaceful marches in the past."

And then you have to respect the others who are expressing their discontent to an ideology that is detrimental and causes regression. Hence why there were counter-protestors. But it appears you are neglecting the issue that they used the statue as an excuse to protest where they came prepared for a violent altercation. Counter-protestors are included. The difference is that one is against an ideology that should be suppressed.

"And they will have peaceful marches in the future. In the future the police will hopefully recognize that allowing two large protest groups to interact with each other, when they are walking around in armor and with improvised weapons (on both sides) is probably not a good thing and should be prevented. "

They were prepared. The only prevention is not allowing the rally to take place in the first place if they are going to wear such gear. But then you are now falling into a trap because there is no law that you cannot wear armor or dress in a certain way to a rally. But, when officials realized the intention of the organizers, thus including the counter-protesters the police declared it an unlawful assembly. That was the prevention.

Such organizations want to taunt and encourage an altercation, they strive on that reaction. So they can exploit it and demonstrate that it is the other side that are the extremist. It is like the Westboro group that antagonizes to illicit a response. I can recall a few on here that wanted them to be 'taken out'.

"But John, I am greatly honored to have you finally respond to me, because I know it's important to you, to talk about how important you are."

There is no 'finally', there are times I've responded to you. I stated I normally don't respond to you. But to much avail it appears you disregarded the point that was made to you. I am not sure either you're being obtuse or it is difficult for you to articulate a response in kind.

But just on mere observance of you over the years. I've concluded, thus my reasoning of rarely responding or addressing your posts, that you're person with no conviction. You typically ride the fence and wait for a populist movement before you jump on the bandwagon and go with it. You've gone back and forth on different positions yet stay constant with positions that contradict as well as display the hypocrisy you are founded upon. Either this is because you have more fun trolling, which is something that you seem critical of when other posters do this. Or you as I said previously someone with no conviction.

I am going to say the latter since that was the basis of my criticism. I am sure this is falling on deaf ears, but I do call it like I see it. Unless it is populist you will go with the trend until it changes. If that is your modus operendi, more power to you.


John Adams
Member
Mon Aug 14 16:10:22
"hood believes that violence instigated by the left is the only solution to political differences. "

You forgot how our country was founded.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Aug 14 17:58:00

Somehow I don't think our Founding Fathers were the left. They opposed oppression, they didn't oppress.


And please, no one bring up slavery.

Trolly McSerious
Member
Mon Aug 14 18:15:57
http://fac...ounding-fathers-were-liberals/

Hot Rod is stupid.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Aug 14 18:21:40

trolly, They were ***Classic Liberals***.

Not the oppressive, politically correct spouting monsters of today you fool.



You are the one that is stupid.

Why don't you go soak your head in a pile of shit, it might make you smart.

Trolly McSerious
Member
Mon Aug 14 18:24:08
You said weren't the left, you associate liberal with left. they were left leaning concerning principles, learn the definitions again you moron.
Trolly McSerious
Member
Mon Aug 14 18:25:03
Why don't you take another semester in learning "asian stuff" or better yet replace it with government and learning shit again. You're this old and you still can't even get it right.
Trolly McSerious
Member
Mon Aug 14 18:30:12
You're problem is that you still want to associate anything liberal as the radical left. Yet you call yourself a libertarian, but you're anything but.

Also you represent the radical right. But, again it is your disposition that anything liberal you place a negative connotation. Just like with the word 'socialism' yet you still fulling operation under socialistic principles as well as utilizing the system to which you criticize.

Just about anything government related you have proven to be complete ignorant or stupid just as much as your grasp on economics. "DUUUURRRR Stock equals economy dURRRR"
Trolly McSerious
Member
Mon Aug 14 18:43:41
Hot Rod is stupid;

http://fac...g-liberalism-and-conservatism/
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Aug 14 18:51:06

LOL, hurts to get stung in the balls, doesn't it?

Trolly McSerious
Member
Mon Aug 14 18:59:05
It hurts that facts exist in your world and you can't accept them.

How embarrassing that you had your entire life to learn about various topics and just about every topic you express, you are wrong.

Man, what a horrible life you lead.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Aug 14 19:04:23

It is our opinion.

We don't need facts to express an opinion.

Learn some English.

Trolly McSerious
Member
Mon Aug 14 19:16:14
You just asked to prove your "opinion" wrong. Where experts and state election officials across the country expressed there isnt.

Talk about learning english....
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Aug 14 19:26:34

I don't care for their opinions.

Where is the empirical proof?

Trolly McSerious
Member
Mon Aug 14 19:28:59
Read the links. It wasnt their opinions. It was based upon facts and data they have as they are the state election officials.

Where is your proof rod? We are waiting...
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Aug 14 19:50:28

my opinion.

Where is your proof?

You have none, only an aggregate of opinions that have no more facts than I have.

Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Aug 14 19:58:24
[chuck]: "When I come back I expect to pick up right where I left off. You figure people will always be who they always have been ... Cherub Cow will still be making 90% of all posts on Movie Talk"

Sadly, this number may have fallen to 85%, or even 80% .. what have I become? :'( :( :'(
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Aug 14 20:02:57

:)

Dukhat
Member
Mon Aug 14 20:05:04
Chuck is so retarded. Came out of nowhere with his pseudo-intellectual bullshit and pretends he's smart yet he voted for Trump proving he's a fucking idiot with absolute certainty.

Go fuck yourself.
Trolly McSerious
Member
Mon Aug 14 20:11:32
Poor hot rod wants to live in denial. "Widespread coter fraud." Yet cannot provide any proof and refuses to read links provided.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Aug 14 20:12:25

I seem to recall Chuck from a long time back.

Forwyn
Member
Mon Aug 14 22:10:20
"And then you have to respect the others who are expressing their discontent to an ideology that is detrimental and causes regression. Hence why there were counter-protestors."

But we don't have to respect the others when they show up with bricks and bats and chains and urine balloons.

"The difference is that one is against an ideology that should be suppressed."

If you don't think Antifa Commie scumbags should be repressed just as much as Nazis, you're sorely mistaken.

"The only prevention is not allowing the rally to take place in the first place if they are going to wear such gear."

So they can get clubbed in the head by bike locks?
hood
Member
Mon Aug 14 22:44:02
"yet [chuck] voted for Trump"

Um. Do we actually have any evidence of that?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 15 03:31:22

John Adams - And then you have to respect the others who are expressing their discontent to an ideology that is detrimental and causes regression. Hence why there were counter-protestors.


The counter protestors have every right to express themselves peaceably.

But, Saturday they came wearing body armor, helmets, and carrying guns and clubs including base ball bats. Plus many, if not most, of them were bussed in from other communities.

John Adams
Member
Tue Aug 15 05:03:12
"But we don't have to respect the others when they show up with bricks and bats and chains and urine balloons."

Please do not take what I said out of context. My counterpoint to what was expressed in regards to respecting the first amendment. It applies to the other side too. But it seems you want to call out the other side that came with such type of weaponry yet not be critical to the other said that came prepared the same way?

That is the disconnect. I will say this, the difference between the two sides is that one were there for the confrontation and used a statue as an excuse. The others were there that expressed their stance against such hateful ideology. You had one side that was extremists and you had the other side that was only peppered with extremists. But only one side decided to drive their vehicle into a crowd.

"If you don't think Antifa Commie scumbags should be repressed just as much as Nazis, you're sorely mistaken. "

That isn't what I was saying. Before there were 'antifa' movements that were gaining traction. When such rallies occurred against hate groups and there was an altercation that broke out, regardless of which side. Usually what was exploited was that the counter-protestors were the 'bad guys' because the hate groups wanted the response to be violent as a way to exploit that the other side was intolerant. The initial point was that, majority of the counter-protestors there were mainly there to suppressed the various white nationalists groups.

"So they can get clubbed in the head by bike locks? "

You bring up weapons again. Are you forgetting about the other groups and the preparedness they took? Or the fact they introduced a vehicle? You seem to be focus on the fault of one group, but care not to acknowledge the other. To my argument, I've acknowledged both groups and their violence.

Hot Rod:

"The counter protestors have every right to express themselves peaceably."

They did for the most part. I am not seeing widespread property destruction to the town other than the violent clashes that happened between the two groups. And I do not recall one group having one of its members take a vehicle and crashing it into a crowd of protestors.

"But, Saturday they came wearing body armor, helmets, and carrying guns and clubs including base ball bats. Plus many, if not most, of them were bussed in from other communities. "

This is becoming a dead horse. As did the other side. And the other side had intent. And the other side peppered with those that wanted the clash got it.

Again, I am not seeing much of any of you that is defending the white nationalists speak against them on that accord. Only to say -- 'Well the other side came with weapons and armor.'



Cold Rod
Member
Tue Aug 15 05:13:39
Cuckserves are so stupid;

"But, Saturday they came wearing body armor, helmets, and carrying guns..."

http://www...rlottesville_the_guns_won.html
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 15 05:16:34

Please do not get me wrong.

I despise the far right that came to 'protest the removing of the statue' if that was indeed their intent, which I seriously doubt.


Sorry I quoted you out of context, but so many are blasting the Nazi's and KKK I think it appropriate to renounce the counter protestors too since they are equally guilty.

Again, my apologies.

John Adams
Member
Tue Aug 15 05:40:17
Not a problem. My city and and state have faced the same issues. And we were the state that held that had the most civil war battles. And we were also thr first state to be admitted nack into the union. We have have a long history. But at the same time, its come along way. I feel we are the most tolerant.

Right now is at where my office is they are wantng to remove the statue of Nathan Beford Forrest. And honestly I am torn on the issue. One, because I am a big history buff. But I also know who NBF was at eell and how the representation may appear to others.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 15 05:56:36

I moved recently and am now within a few blocks of what they tell me was among the biggest battles of the civil war.

The battle of Westport.


Not so big in numbers unless you count the location,

"The Battle of Westport, sometimes referred to as the "Gettysburg of the West," was fought on October 23, 1864, in modern Kansas City, Missouri, during the American Civil War. Union forces under Major General Samuel R. Curtis decisively defeated an outnumbered Confederate force under Major General Sterling Price. This engagement was the turning point of Price's Missouri Expedition, forcing his army to retreat. The battle ended the last major Confederate offensive west of the Mississippi River, and for the remainder of the war the United States Army maintained solid control over most of Missouri. This battle was one of the largest to be fought west of the Mississippi River, with over 30,000 men engaged."

WIKI

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 15 09:51:50
true patriot Trump put up a nice fake civil war monument on his golf course... w/ a nice counter to historians:

======
The article went on to quote several historians and experts who definitively rejected the claim on the plaque. When the Times contacted Trump for a response, he was defensive:

“How would they know that?” Mr. Trump asked when told that local historians had called his plaque a fiction. “Were they there?”

Mr. Trump repeatedly said that “numerous historians” had told him that the golf club site was known as the River of Blood. But he said he did not remember their names.

Then he said the historians had spoken not to him but to “my people.” But he refused to identify any [employees] who might still possess the historians’ names.

“Write your story the way you want to write it,” Mr. Trump said finally, when pressed unsuccessfully for anything that could corroborate his claim. “You don’t have to talk to anybody. It doesn’t make any difference. But many people were shot. It makes sense.”
======
http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-civil-war-monument/
Cold Rod
Member
Tue Aug 15 09:56:37
Once again Trump and his supporters show how unbelievably stupid they are.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Aug 15 11:42:50
"It applies to the other side too. But it seems you want to call out the other side that came with such type of weaponry yet not be critical to the other said that came prepared the same way?"

Uhhh...absofuckinglutely. They showed up and ranted all night like fucktards and didn't hurt anyone, despite their preparation. It wasn't until the next day when Black Bloc leftists showed up that the situation became violent.

Inbred KKK idiots have marched for decades. What of it? Let them crawl back in their holes. Or confront them on the streets and then act like victims.

"The initial point was that, majority of the counter-protestors there were mainly there to suppressed the various white nationalists groups."

They didn't need suppression. They had a permit, they'll walk around chanting their slogans, you'll get nice pictures to send home to their employers, and then they'll go home to no job, no prospects.

A coalition of Antifas, anarchists, and Berntards showing up for a fight gives them just what they want.

"Are you forgetting about the other groups and the preparedness they took?"

MAGA tards showed up in Berkeley several times unprepared and ended up worse off for it. I don't fault these guys for being prepared.

One side started pepper-spraying and piss-ballooning the other, so yes, they get the blame, and the cloak of diversity doesn't change that.

"Or the fact they introduced a vehicle?"

At the end of the protest? After police had already shut it down?

But yeah, idiot leftists wanted to continue marching in the streets, like they're still doing in Durham, and some genius decided to hit a passing car with a baseball bat.

Your "introduction of a vehicle" was people going home. Surprise, when you threaten drivers they hit the gas.

Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 11:44:51
"They showed up and ranted all night like fucktards and didn't hurt anyone, "

Except they did, forseb, they did.
The Third Reich
Member
Tue Aug 15 11:45:32
Forwyn knows our struggle.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Aug 15 11:46:24
"Except they did, forseb, they did."

Feefees don't count
Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 11:47:03
"Your "introduction of a vehicle" was people going home. Surprise, when you threaten drivers they hit the gas. "

He wasn't threatened, forseb.

Forseb is a revisionist.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Aug 15 11:47:09
And no, troll #3000, fuck the struggle of collectivist authoritarian idiots, pull the cops out and let them kill each other.

Or don't. Just don't portray one side as victims.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Aug 15 11:47:40
"He wasn't threatened, forseb."

His vehicle was struck. Sorry that CNN didn't cover that, buddy.
Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 11:48:47
As he plowed down the street crashing into people with their backs turned causing a chain reaction of two other vehicles.

Forseb is a revisionist
Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 11:49:17
dailystormer called they wanted you back on their forums, forseb
The Third Reich
Member
Tue Aug 15 11:50:32
They all come crawling to us for protection. You will too, Forywn.

Jews will not replace us.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Aug 15 11:53:23
When people in cars are attacked they slam the gas. What a fucking surprise to idiot multis.

If it turns out to be intentional, fry him. But there is video of his car being struck before he accelerated, so it's unlikely.
Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 11:57:06
"If it turns out to be intentional, fry him. But there is video of his car being struck before he accelerated, so it's unlikely."

Forseb is revisionist.
Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 12:00:20
http://www...ille-crowd-alt-right-protests/

This is what forseb is defending, the actions of the driver. He was 'panicked'. The mind of forseb the revisionist.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Aug 15 12:02:31
Other cars were attacked, but CNN didn't say so, so Trolly can't be bothered.
Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 12:04:34
Forseb is vision impaired and pulls a John Cena on the video.
Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 12:24:32
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_orKYk_Q28E

The car being struck by a bat....

obaminated
Member
Tue Aug 15 12:44:28
Clearly the "counter protesters" committed crimes, but I don't think this guy accidently drove down the street towards that crowd. The only evidence that he could have not wanted to hurt anyone and merely wanted to get on the other side of that "crowd" is that he did slow down when he got to them.
Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 12:49:30
He slowed down crashing into people and causing a chain reaction of two other vehicles with considerable damage to them...

wow.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Aug 15 12:50:45
Thanks for that video, Trolly. Literally the first fucking thing you see before he accelerates is someone smashing his rear bumper.
Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 12:55:31
"Thanks for that video, Trolly. Literally the first fucking thing you see before he accelerates is someone smashing his rear bumper."

LOL as he accelerates towards a crowd. Holy shit, forseb you are really a fucking pathetic specimen.
Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 12:56:27
"He panicked as he accelerate toward a crowd and other cars. This is the perfect reason to hurt and kill people." -forseb the revisionist.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Aug 15 12:57:46
Seb explains to a know shitposter and troll why Nazis are very very bad people. Classic.

Forwyn
Member
Tue Aug 15 13:01:04
Maybe he wasn't panicked, and instead pissed. Maybe he was looking for an excuse, or a trigger.

In any case, some shithead gave it to him when he struck the car.
Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 13:02:03
"Maybe he wasn't panicked, and instead pissed. Maybe he was looking for an excuse, or a trigger.

In any case, some shithead gave it to him when he struck the car.
"

Yet was already accelerating towards the crowd...

forseb is pretty dumb.
Memory Lane
Member
Tue Aug 15 13:07:26
I remember forwyn saying it was hit by a bat. But there was no bat. I drink and remember things.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Aug 15 13:10:03
No, idiot. He was not accelerating at the start of the video. He hit the intersection, and started speeding up, i.e. screams start right after, when a guy swung at the rear bumper from the left.
Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 13:12:12
Yes, he was accelerating. Moving forward is the very definition of accelerating towards a crowd.

Forseb the revisionist is pretty stupid with the video in front of him.
UP Archivist
Member
Tue Aug 15 13:13:25
*Archived
Forwyn
Member
Tue Aug 15 13:18:48
Every car on the street was accelerating towards a crowd by that metric. He was not accelerating at unsafe speeds until the time he was struck.
Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 13:22:02
Forseb the revisionist is stating that the car was not accelerate at a faster rate of speed towards a crowd or people at all.

This is forseb the revisionist defending a white nationalist, neo-nazi pos finding every excuse possible to support the actions of injuring and killing someone.

Truly pathetic.
Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 13:22:44
Forseb
Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 13:22:48
is
Trolly McAwesome
Member
Tue Aug 15 13:22:54
stupid.
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