Utopia Talk / Politics / I am not an idiot at all

Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Aug 10 18:06:16 "This is why I have a publication record and a PhD, and you don't. You are a cargo cultist - you start from a conclusion, seek evidence to support it, and dress yourself with unearned veneer of rationality." All of that is worthless to me seb. Because your description of my bias is identicial to mine of yours, infact to me a source of great comedy :) People with publishing records and PhDs can be politically motivated and infected with ideological mind virus, just like fishermen from Norway and Swedish people with "tradesman degrees". You should be flatter if I had considered you my equal, I don't, but if. "I am still not sure what you think you mean by Gender Theory other than a bogeyman." G..Google it? LOL :) Yes google it.
jergul large member	Thu Aug 10 18:12:48 Go to sleep nimi.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Aug 10 18:18:50 You are about as unimpressive as I have met people with or without publication records, online or IRL. You are an intellectual midget by most of my accounts. The fact still remain that you gave up your research career because you sucked at it and you went on to becoming a well paid government cleark there is no shame in that, good on you. But at least on the national level you have to suck political dick, to some degree. Prices to be paid and maybe there is a high degree of self selection in these things as well. Anyway, you get the point. TL:DR You are not the pinnacle of objectivity, you are biased as fuck, it shows, it shows really really well. Your PhD is worth dogshit here.
TJ Member	Thu Aug 10 18:25:00 jergul large member Thu Aug 10 17:53:14 TJ The fellow lacked the skillset he needed to do what he wanted to do. Ultimately, that lack of skill probably bars him from working in a corporate environment. But hey, he can just start up his own business. It works if he has other talents to support him. Yeah, nothing like the skill of taking it up the ass for a sizable paycheck. LOL I wouldn't count him out from becoming successful in another corporate environment. From what I've been reading he has already received offers even though one has to be careful gobbling up everything they read. :)
Renzo Marquez Member	Thu Aug 10 18:30:47 Seb doesn't even deadlift. http://med...lectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Aug 10 18:39:02 No doubt, this will have ended up helping him I think. He has become a political martyr and gained a lot of active supporters. That is the other aspect of this, this is how political activism works. The post modern left is a new internal threat to liberal democracy, reason and science and civilized senses. They have a Marxist background and have a long tradition of political organization. This is the only strength they have, because pretty much everything that has ever come from Marxism has been demonstrated to be completely false. So this all this shit the google the universities, gender theory rabid feminists. They will over time be more and more marginalized. Because the research on these areas are going up, more and more research is being done on everything from sex differences to the genetics of criminality, obesity etc. all things that will over time, 1 funeral at a time to paraphrase Max Planck end up furthering our understanding and create better policies to fight social problems like crime and increase other things like diversity. TL:DR I am morally and ideologically superior to you.
jergul large member	Thu Aug 10 18:46:35 TJ His resume does not impress, particularly as he will have to discount his time at google (they usually supply wonderful references as a way of avoiding liability issues I imagine). My point is mostly that if you want to go rogue, then do it with your own company. Nimi You should worry more about shifting norms in a post industrial world. The memo a case in point. The guy lacked the skillset he needed to make it at google.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Aug 10 18:52:01 Renzo that is perfect! Seb has accused me as well of "Scientism" and then he just can't stop talking about that PhD from Clowns or Kings College I forget, allegedly top 10 school in the world and all. All I have ever claimed that I posses more knowledge than seb on some specific issues. Back when I had some respect for seb, I would defer all knowledge on physics, many times when asking physics questions. But now, I am not even certain of that. I think in the future I will have to ask Sam Adams about global warming and weather stuff. TL:DR I think Sam Adams is a wiser person than you.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Aug 10 18:57:59 I worry greatly about people like you in the post industrial world. Your ideology is cancer and like I have told you, cancer must be fought and beaten back into remissions so the host may live. Your tyranny of "goodness" will be destroyed, senses will eventually prevail. Time is not on your side.
TJ Member	Thu Aug 10 18:58:05 The only one that went rogue as far as I can tell is Google corporate. I already agreed he didn't have the skill set to make it at the poke it up your ass google. His future paycheck just compounded desirably. He is in the ass poking seat now and it will be slightly uncomfortable. It is time to take a cruise and feel the warm wind in my face. The wife is getting a little anxious.
jergul large member	Thu Aug 10 19:14:42 Predestination is a islamo-marxist thing Nimi. Why am I not surprised that you have the mindet. I believe that in people vote in their own best interests in well-funcioning democracies. I believe well functioning democracies are a good thing (normative), it therefore follows that I believe a social contract derived from the common good of all is a good thing. It translates to a better, more equal nation.
jergul large member	Thu Aug 10 19:15:27 Have fun TJ. Forest fire smog from my location in close to your timezone. The outdoors do not tempt :).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Aug 10 19:16:56 He I am correct because I was spent 8 years studying this 1 subject so this means I understand everything. You had me until we started talking about Islam seb. Somewhere I during I thought to myself, no no he is not simply mistaken, this is not a very wise person, this is a lying piece of shit. This is jergulian! Exactly that word seb, "jergulian". You are Jergulian level intellectual capacity. Which is high degree of mathematical intelligence, but the sense and wisdom of an ant.
jergul large member	Thu Aug 10 19:25:54 lulz. Go to sleep nimi.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Aug 10 19:50:20 Jergul, if you read that memo and this has been your honest reaction to it. Your talks of democracy and social contract are completely meaningless, hollow, because clearly those words mean very different things to me and to someone who thinks it contained things so offensive he would have fired the person gladly. TL:DR I think you are scum :) no but really.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Aug 10 20:00:19 And trying to pin it on your autistic turn of the century understanding of how enterprise and companies should be run, is really not doing you any good either. It just makes you look petty on top of stupid and Ideologically driven.
jergul large member	Thu Aug 10 20:05:20 Nimi And I think you are poorly educated. Anyways, The memo - verbatim could have been sent up the ladder with no disciplinary measures needed. I agree with Google. Certain portions of it were very harmful and forced termination as a disciplinary action. Here I think gross disloyalty is warranted. The person knew, or should have known, that he was making his argument in a inflammatory and alienating way. It alone shows poor judgement, that alone would have had me wanting him leaving the company. I would certainly also review the timestamps on the document and review if I thought it appropriate use of company time. But my views are based on living in a country with a good social contract. The fellow would easily find new employment and the liability for even a wrongful dismissal measured at worst in the 10s of thousands dollars. My evaluation might be different in a dog eat dog legal system where fortunes can be made in the victim role.
jergul large member	Thu Aug 10 20:06:15 he person knew, or should have known, that he was making his argument in a inflammatory and alienating way that could easily harm the company*
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Aug 10 20:15:23 Isn't it past you guys' bedtime?
hood Member	Thu Aug 10 20:16:32 You really have lost it, huh Nim?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Aug 10 20:16:41 Thanks for the summary of your polemic narrative dressed in objective language. Like a good political bureaucrat.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Aug 10 20:19:27 Just calling the bullshit hood.
jergul large member	Thu Aug 10 20:20:34 HR I am not there. I am here. So it is a reasonable time of day. Nimi Did you mean that I would have gotten employee of the month award instead of fired if I had written the memo? Probably.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Aug 10 20:34:29 Comrade of the month.
jergul large member	Thu Aug 10 20:41:11 People voting in their own best interests gives a social contract with low inequality nimi. That's democracy for you. Or probably not so much for you. You seem to find it distasteful.
obaminated Member	Thu Aug 10 21:32:17 Drunk post of the year? Nim unchained.
Paramount Member	Fri Aug 11 03:24:38 Is this thread worth reading? If it just is about gender theory I will skip it.
Seb Member	Fri Aug 11 05:48:12 Nim: You don't claim to possess knowledge, you falsely chant that you've scientific basis for your arguments when you don't. Your logic is broken, your conclusions do not follow from your supposed facts, and even those facts are based on misreading. It's harder to get a better example of "not even wrong" - and I find it laughable to be lectured by someone so obviously using reasoning process that couldn't be designed better to lead to biased conclusions. You are of course welcome to entertain dubious notions, but stop trying to claim they objective. You have a right to opinions (and we to judge you on them), you do not have a right to claim objectivity as you do frequently do. You are also, I think, confusing bias - as in cognative biases - with political bias (having a set of principles that inform political positions). However when you claim a political position is informed by objective reasoning, and on examination that reasoning is clearly a product of cognative biases such as confirmation bias, it becomes very easy to dismiss it as without merit. Tl;dr - you don't understand science as a process or how to construct a scientific argument. I am really not interested in your assessment of my intelectual capabilities. However, the point is I do know how to actually practice science and have a track record in successfully doing it. You might want to consider that.
Seb Member	Fri Aug 11 05:51:27 When we move on from arguing that your position is without factual merit, then we can start arguing over the horrible normative choices behind it too.
Seb Member	Fri Aug 11 05:53:44 Note, Nim, you are increasingly defined on opposition to equality now, on Gender and ethnicity. And you claim you are not "Alt-Right" - the need for "scientism" here is to try and kid yourself that you aren't alt-right.
Seb Member	Fri Aug 11 05:53:46 Note, Nim, you are increasingly defined on opposition to equality now, on Gender and ethnicity. And you claim you are not "Alt-Right" - the need for "scientism" here is to try and kid yourself that you aren't alt-right.
Seb Member	Fri Aug 11 05:56:09 Btw, it's really clear that your political position isn't coming from a mistaken reading of facts. When factual and logical errors are pointed out, you work hard to ignore, dismiss or replace rather than express relief that you no longer need to believe these things that you - a few days ago said you would prefer not to.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Aug 11 11:30:54 "you don't understand science as a process or how to construct a scientific argument." This is your biased and politicized opinion and your entitled to it. Just now that everything you wrote about me I think about you, verbatim, I am often driven to laughter when I read some accusation of bias lobbed at me, that I thought of you months ago, but I didn't care to tell you, it doesn't matter. The article Renzo posted has your specific kind of dangerous stupid down perfectly. I do claim to posses knowledge, the 3 subject I have discussed with you Islam, Immigration and Feminism. I know these subject far better than you, I have spent far more time reading about them from source materials, critics and debunkers. There are no other politcal issues I would care to speak about with any authority. I am just a much more pragmatic and humble person compared to you and Jergul. It is part of the wisedome that you lack. On top of that I just have far more lived experience on these topics than you and given your poor skill for abstraction beyond the things you have experienced this is a huge disadvantage, which you are blind to. How do you explain things to someone that requires having lived in Iran or an Islamic culture, to be able to abstract useful knowledge? It is difficult and with "intelligent idiots" this is impossible, because intelligent idiots understand everything and know everything. I prefer the "humble idiot" over the assertive PhD... WOO PhD!!! Useful skills to have if one is trying to play intellectual and provide solution to complex social problems, the ability to empathize with people outside your own group and ideological framework. You are one the most politically motivated people on this board. This google thing, the creationist reaction and "logic" you have applied to it, this manufactured outrage is all the proof anyone needs. I was kinda slow to accepting this about you because I am far more tolerant to ideologically extreme people than the average person (I have a much more diverse understanding of the world than you) and I have given you more good faith than you deserved, because I am better than you at the "game" you say you are playing, tolerance and acceptance. I am actually a decent person, I don't play decent on the Internet in an anonymous forum, like some others. Your track record with a PhD that has nothing to do with religion, gender theory or immigration policy are useless. On top of that your political and cognitive biases are not very well concealed. You seem to think they are. I am really not interested in your assessment of my capacity or biases. Your problem runs deep and is rooted in your lack of knowledge on the specific topics. You defend policies based on what the spoken goal of the policy is, not how sound the arguments are that make the predictions. When I tell you that they come from gender theory and that it assumes certain things about our physical reality that just are not true, you ask me "what is gender theory?". And then go on long diatrabs to discredit my understanding of science and accuse me of bias. LOL? Yes seb, you assume certain things and then look for evidence to support them. There just is no evidence for your stupidity that is why I can drown you in studies and all you can return with is empirical nihilism, under the guise of "rigourous scientific methodology" you will point to gaps in the "fossil" record and tell me that your god exists in these gaps, that I don't have perfect knowledge so I can't really say anything meaningful "the world is so complex". LOL you would surprised of how much of your language mimics verbatim that of post modern "thinkers" and motivated politicians. Waaa alt right, waaa you hate diversity. So hurtful, I have so many fucks to give you. How people like you define me is another thing I am really not interested it. All it does is show how intellectually dishonest and ideologically motivated and intolerant your sect is and that PhDs with publishing records are not immune to stupid. TL:DR You words have no authority on any subject I have cared to discussed with you. You are a dishonest, politically motivated imbecile that embodies the worst aspect of all the biases you have accused me of. You can not be trusted to be honest about anything that can not be verified with a calculator.
Wrath of Orion Member	Fri Aug 11 11:32:48 This thread is pure hilarity from both sides.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Aug 11 11:39:06 I was actually b..b..b..barbecued (high as fuck) when I made this thread. I don't drink. This is an honest roast of the "Hypocrite in Chief".
obaminated Member	Fri Aug 11 11:59:20 Yes, it does read more like a stream of consciousness whilst high sort of rant you went on. You should drink though. Smoking is bad for your health.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Aug 11 12:05:10 First sign of your dishonesty and ideological/national bias was noticing that you pretty much never ever criticize any aspect of your own country. Ever issue or article on some contentious issue, seb always falls in line and defend whatever it is no matter how stupid. Because the "goal" of the policy sound "right". We want to reduce hate? Let's put everyone who says hateful things in prison. <- Autism boys inability to think a few steps further down the road. I am a liberal! I believe in classical liberalism! Let's have a welfare state and free immigration. <- a published scientists understanding of economy. If 80% of a country think apostates should be killed, I would expect the problems to be the same as in a country where 1 % of the population thinks this. <- A PhDs analysis of the consequences of social norms. Egypt was ruined by 50 years of British colonial rule, but the preceding 500 years of Ottoman colonial rule didn't matter. <- an ivy league understanding of history. Evolutionary theory is "controversial" when we study sexual dimorphism in humans. <- A creationists understanding of biology.
obaminated Member	Fri Aug 11 12:06:22 Deb isn't a creationist is she?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Aug 11 12:13:43 He is when it comes to human beings above the neck. That is where the buck stops! He will hear no more of it. Creationists applied "irreducible complexity" on the eye and bacteria flagellum, seb does it on the brain.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Aug 11 13:08:04 By the way, what is the value of a publishing record and a PhD when you fail at basic reading comprehension? That is a hurdle for me to be impressed by you anymore than say Hot Rod with a better vocabulary and enough knowledge of science to be deceptive. And don't get me wrong, Hot Rod is a nice guy, if I ever get to see him I am sure I would enjoy his company. But he is loyal to his gang, to but his hackery politely. So are you seb. You are just better equipped to be critical and dismissive of facts and evidence that go against your tribes interest. Does not make you any better or more correct than when Hot Rod does it. Here is an example of off twitter I saw. Scientist posts study of something, but fails to read end of abstract where results are contrary to her tweet and position. Which in and of itself is funny. When someone points this out, she retweets the study, this time reading "study.... with dubious methods. Bam just like that her scientific rigor woke up. Scientist have all the same biases that everyone one else has, cognitive and political. That is why we don't listen to 1 scientist who waves his PhD at us and says he is right. Did they teach these things at Clown College?
jergul large member	Fri Aug 11 14:05:56 Nimi Arguing from a political basis is fully acceptable. For example: I believe that people voting in their own best interests is a characteristic of fully functional democracy. A lower wealth- and income inequality follows from people voting in their own best interests. That position makes me a social democrat.
TJ Member	Fri Aug 11 14:47:18 Will be an interesting case-that is if it isn't settled before it reaches court proceedings. http://www...stions?slreturn=20170711142310
jergul large member	Fri Aug 11 15:19:56 TJ Article behind a wall. Same difference really. The employer has the right to terminate him under any condition. The liability that might follow for lack of termination form or content, no matter if settled in our outside of court, is not terribly interesting beyond the human interest point of view. There is no vindication of anyone from a legal process.
TJ Member	Fri Aug 11 15:32:49 The wife and I had a very enjoyable ride last night. We were back home at dusk under the threat of storm. Very refreshing. The article: A Google engineer's now-viral manifesto criticizing the company's diversity efforts, which in part argues women may not be biologically suited for the technology industry and leadership roles, has renewed discussion about disparities among men and women in Silicon Valley—and prompted new legal claims. The engineer James Damore's termination following the publication of his 10-page memo "Google's Ideological Echo Chamber" raises questions, not just about content, but about whether his controversial views should be protected under both federal labor laws and civil rights laws. Damore has indicated in media reports that he is pursuing all legal remedies following his termination and has said he filed a complaint with the National Labor Relations Board. "I think it would be a hard case. It's not a slam dunk for either side," said Wilma Liebman, a former Democratic member of the NLRB. "I don't think it's a stretch of the law, but a stretch of the facts. People are shocked by the substance of his comments and the notion of the company trying to shut down dissenting points of view. It raises the question of: How far do the legal protections go?" Cameron Fox, a partner at Paul Hastings, is representing Google in the NLRB case, a spokesman for the law firm confirmed. The inflammatory memo also comes at a time when Google and other technology firms face questions about pay equity and diversity and as well as claims of systemic discrimination against women. "For Google, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation," said Jon Hyman, a management-side employment attorney from Meyers, Roman, Friedberg & Lewis. "Google is in a bad spot here. One on hand, [they] are home of the open internet and want to foster free and open communication and want their employees to speak their mind. By the same token, pay practices have been challenged by the government and they have to say: 'That's not who we are as a company.'" Hyman said that in choosing whether or not to fire Damore, Google had to pick its poison: Does the company want litigation from the labor board or does it want to face female employees pointing to this memo as proof of a hostile work environment and arguing that the company condones this type of language? Liebman said Damore has potential legal standing under labor law. He could argue that the code of conduct Google cited as a reason for termination is overbroad and interferes with what could be protected speech under the National Labor Relations Act. She said a potentially stronger claim, independent of the code of conduct rules, would be to argue that posting his views on the diversity policy was seeking to incite his coworkers to join him, which could be considered "concerted activity" and be protected under the National Labor Relations Act. The U.S. Department of Labor has investigated Google, alleging gender disparities in pay exist at the company. Google recently fought with the DOL's Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs over disclosure of salary records--a battle that Google won in part. There is also at least one plaintiffs firm that has jumped in. Altshuler Berzon is representing more than 60 current and former Google employees who plan to file a class action building on the DOL case alleging sexism and pay disparities. Damore, who was fired Monday, said in media reports that he filed a complaint with the labor board before his firing because of the company's management "misrepresenting and shaming me in order to silence my complaints." Google responded to the memo through a message to its employees and by firing the author. The company said in message that it did not learn of the NLRB complaint until after Damore was terminated. Google also argued the engineer violated its corporate conduct policies in writing the memo and said that was the basis of the termination. The distinction is important because if Google fired Damore because of his complaint to the NLRB, that could constitute a violation, experts said. But he could have a Title VII retaliation claim if he can argue that he was objecting to illegal activity by Google, said Jeffrey Hirsch, law professor at the University of North Carolina School of Law. He acknowledged, though, that it would be a stretch that the engineer would argue that as a white man, Google's drive for diversity would be a violation of federal civil rights laws. Another claim Damore could make under labor laws is that the company retaliated against him for filing a complaint to the labor board, he said. He also said a breach of contract claim might be possible because Google may have policies that reflect an "open, free-express-type of culture." "On the flip, this memo could violate policies against discrimination," he said. "It's a double-edged sword. They may see value in freedom of expression but there are a lot of legitimate concerns with harassment and discrimination in the workplace, particularly in the tech industry. The board will have to engage in a balancing test."
TJ Member	Fri Aug 11 15:34:28 Sorry about the wall of text. If I could edit I'd clean it up. :(
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Aug 12 06:07:54 "Arguing from a political basis is fully acceptable." I understand that for a political hack like you this is actually some fundamental principle. I agree, you and your gang can deny the holocaust all you like, this is your right and I will fight for your right to deny it, but you are still holocaust denying nazis, nothing has changed. Thanks for playing.
Seb Member	Sat Aug 12 18:47:14 Nim: Dismissing a critique of your logic as "political" is laughable. The only people who can't see that your conclusions don't follow from the propositions are people like Sam, Pillz, Forwyn - not known for their skills in reasoning. The politics of the issue don't come into it.
Seb Member	Sat Aug 12 18:47:52 Logic and reasoning do not vary by subject Nim.
Seb Member	Sat Aug 12 18:49:51 "you do physics stats, that means you can't possibly be qualified to point out my bad ethnographic stats." Idiot.
Seb Member	Sat Aug 12 18:50:53 I'm going to stop at this point - Nim is lost to sanity. I have no doubt in a few years he will be wondering around with a red MAGA cap.
jergul large member	Sat Aug 12 19:00:37 Seb He lost it a while ago. Raging against the moon after his calls to bomb the crap out of Iran came to nought. His uncles have done him a great disservice.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Aug 14 11:13:13 Seb you have the foresight of a infant. To you 6 years of social media is an eternity, the world is dirty and foul and you have legislate it clean. This is the same daft approach people like you have had over the ages to such calamities as Rock Music, TV, video games and now the concept of evolved sex differences. The kind of hypersensitive "adult" that wants to nerf the world so his children don't get splinters, who will erase all the bad words and thoughts with a white marker (hehe white). People like you are psychologically weak, you have lived a life without resistance. Someone who lives in clinically scrubed echo chamber will have a weak immune system to all the "terrors" of the Internet. LOL :) Go watch some beheading videos seb, that should rattle you up, put the world into perspective for you. But all of the above is pure bullshit of course. Yes none of it really matters, because none of this matters to you and none of the policies you "believe in" and toe the line for, effects you. You are insulate in your upper class home, in your upper class neighborhood with you upper class summer house in France. Your children go to an upper class school and you recieve an upper class salary. So when these things all inevitable blow up in our faces, it won't effect you or your children and to the extent it does, you will manage fine and fair far better than most. So people like you can afford these little social experiments, because you have no skin in the game and besides, it is all for diversity/equality and the only people who argue against such things are Nazi/sexist loser men (white men), who could not hack it when the world changed. Of course you beeing the "good guys" is central to all of this. This is your infantile understanding of the world, an abyss of ignorance, as vast as your head is big. TL:DR Donald Trump 2020, you will make sure of that, SebJW.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Aug 14 11:34:29 "Logic and reasoning" Call me when you have to learned to apply them consistently. When you understand, "mean", "average" and what distribution curves really are saying. Call me when you are not essentially arguing that evolution stops at our necks and when you are no longer faking outrage over "forbidden knowledge". Most importantly, when you can read what others say and not consistently summarize their views into autistic little strawmen. This is probably the first thing you need to do.
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