Utopia Talk / Politics / Putin's propganda machine is strong

NeverWoods rank	Tue Jun 27 04:19:41 2017 http://sg....torical-figures-110751136.html Really Putin you are a living historical figure? The only living historical figure none other....
Pillz rank	Tue Jun 27 04:51:27 2017 Shatner is still alive, so he isn't the only living historical figure. There are two.
yankeessuck123 rank	Tue Jun 27 09:24:57 2017 Putin may well be the best leader in Russian history as far as acting for the benefit of the people. This is a very low bar.
Rugian rank	Tue Jun 27 14:57:48 2017 In terms of political leaders, they literally have nothing but authoritarians to choose from. Well, authoritarians, and Boris Yeltsin, I guess. But somehow I doubt Boris is going to make it to a top 10 list any time soon.
Aeros rank	Tue Jun 27 16:11:11 2017 Russia has always excelled at pretending to be a powerful state while always being institutionally and militarily weak. Its enormous size being largely the product of the age of colonialism. They were able to claim huge tracts of empty land and since it was contiguous to their country they managed to hang onto it. But even with possession, their institutional weakness means they have been unable to actually do anything with it.
yankeessuck123 rank	Tue Jun 27 19:14:08 2017 And the fact that half that land is fucking Siberia, that's a contributor.
werewolf dictator rank	Tue Jun 27 22:33:21 2017 because single handedly defeating napoleon and hitler is symptomatic of country that has always been institutionally and militarily weak [russia can defeat usa any time it wants to today despite hitler/napoleon delusions of grandeur among aeroses]
obaminated rank	Wed Jun 28 00:27:30 2017 Winter beat Napoleon. Russians were smart enough to let mother nature do their job for them.
Aeros rank	Wed Jun 28 00:39:03 2017 In both those cases the Russian Military got its ass handed to it in the first year. The problem soon became trying to occupy such a vast territory, maintain a stable supply chain, and support your troops in the winter. Neither Hitler nor Napoleon could do it. They lost for lack of food and fuel, not because of any major institutional advantage Russia possessed. As for the land "being Siberia", much of it is perfectly good land, especially in the southern portions. The issue is it has been horrendously mismanaged, and the Russians simply don't have the population to exploit it in the first place. So much of it remains untamed wilderness that is used for extraction economy like slash and burn logging and strip mining. Very different from what the USA and Canada do with their vast amounts of unused clay. Even worse, much of the slash and burn extraction is done illegally, or with government officials looking the other way. So the country at large sees no benefit to it. The forest is just cleared of all trees, sold to Ikea who turns it into cheap furniture for Americans and the proceeds go to some oligarchs second luxury home in London. The Russian government does not get a red cent beyond bribes, and the Russian people don't get anything at all. Not even the forest, which is never replanted as is done in the United States (that cuts profits).
NeverWoods rank	Wed Jun 28 02:14:02 2017 obaminated: "Winter beat Napoleon. Russians were smart enough to let mother nature do their job for them." I would not call it smart. What's the other choice, face them head on? If they had to do it, Russia would burn down all of Russia to avoid a military confrontation.
hood rank	Wed Jun 28 02:14:32 2017 "because single handedly defeating napoleon and hitler is symptomatic of country that has always been institutionally and militarily weak" Alternative facts are strong in this one.
Rugian rank	Wed Jun 28 02:18:09 2017 Russian military strategy in both cases involved burning down several million Russians' homes and fields to deny their use to the enemy. It must be great to be a Russian commoner when your country's best method of defense involves destroying your entire fucking livelihood.
NeverWoods rank	Wed Jun 28 02:30:13 2017 Can't lose a war, when you have no country left. http://ima...017/06/1486495269-rollsafe.png
Pillz rank	Wed Jun 28 03:30:06 2017 Doctrine can be seen in Russian involvement in Syria I think. But that's what Russia does, dynamic defense I think is what jergul calls it
werewolf dictator rank	Wed Jun 28 04:54:45 2017 "Alternative facts are strong in this one." not only did russia single handedly defeat napoleon but they also defeated his austrian and prussian allies at the same time.. dumb westerners as for the great patriotic war against not just hitler but hungary romania italy etc.. you are probably under delusion usa and britain helped somehow with bombing and north africa etc.. but as speer notes bombing just increased german factory worker morale making them work harder while production increased [thus making it harder for russia].. and north africa was like 100k largely italian troops when there was like 3.5m or 4.0m axis on eastern front.. really russia would have been better off fighting more italian divisions since they just served as front line weaknesses to be punched through in encirclement battles of germans [and by time of dday hitler was already effectively defeated]
werewolf dictator rank	Wed Jun 28 05:09:22 2017 French invasion of Russia [wikipedia] on one side... France French Empire Duchy of Warsaw Kingdom of Italy (Napoleonic) Kingdom of Italy Naples Confederation of the Rhine Baden Bavaria Bavaria Berg Saxony Westphalia Switzerland Swiss Confederation Napoleonic Spain Austria Prussia Denmark Denmark–Norway on the other side.. Russian Empire dumb dumb westerners
hood rank	Wed Jun 28 05:23:00 2017 ^ is actually inside putin's asshole as he types
Forwyn rank	Wed Jun 28 05:42:44 2017 A shame dirty Ruskies decided to side with aristocratic alliances to destroy the Napoleonic revolution. They got their dose of karma via the Reds.
Nimatzo rank	Wed Jun 28 10:36:46 2017 Russias strength and achievments rests upon a total disregard for human life and resouces. It is extremly inefficient, but in the end there is nothing you can not achieve if you through enough human death and suffering at it. 50 million dead Soviets, defeating Germany and industrializing the country.
Nimatzo rank	Wed Jun 28 10:37:12 2017 Throw*
Nimatzo rank	Wed Jun 28 10:41:30 2017 It is of course inherent to collectivist thinking to not care about the cost for the individual and why collectivist ideologies *cough socialism, Islamism, communism* are evil.
obaminated rank	Wed Jun 28 23:23:34 2017 On the other hand I found Putin to be a very charming fellow during his interactions with Oliver stone in the Putin interviews on Showtime.
Aeros rank	Thu Jun 29 00:01:00 2017 It should be noted the British Empire was fighting France too during the Napoleonic Wars. In much the same arguments used in WW2, Russia uses the "muh casualties" argument to say they shouldered the greatest burden. Ignoring the fact that the reason they took so many casualties and had half their country burned down in the process is because they were objectively terrible at fighting the war and only ended up winning because there were more Russians then the invaders had bullets. Having a brutal casualty count is only a matter of pride if you are Russian. Most people think its terrible.
werewolf dictator rank	Thu Jun 29 00:43:54 2017 80% of german military casualties in "wwii" [and virtually all in key stages] was at hands of soviets.. who defeated nazis singlehandedly.. this is simple historical fact bringing up british in spain in 1812 is even more ridiculous and americans and british are the ones hilariously terrible at fighting
werewolf dictator rank	Thu Jun 29 01:11:33 2017 http://en....man_casualties_in_World_War_II C. Field Army (Feldheer) casualties September 1939 to November 1944 Campaign Dead Missing Poland 1939 16,343 320 Norway 1940 4,975 691 West until May 31, 1944 66,266 3,218 West June 1944-November 30, 1944 54,754 338,933 Africa 1940 - May 1943 12,808 90,052 Balkans 1941 - November 30, 1944 24,267 12,060 Italy May 1943 - November 30, 1944 47,873 97,154 Russia June 1941-November 30, 1944 1,419,728 997,056 Home front 1939-November 30, 1944 64,055 1,315 Source: Müller-Hillebrand Das Heer 1933–1945 Vol.3 Page 265 ---- ratio is about 7 dead germans on eastern front to 1 german killed everywhere else missing isn't much different except in west after june 1944 when germans are already beaten and looking for friendliest people to nazis to surrender usa/british are even worse fighters and more useless than i was saying
hood rank	Thu Jun 29 01:12:37 2017 That's because the Western Front captured germans instead of killing them. Captured + killed, western front > eastern front. Russia has always been weak. http://en....War_II#German_Prisoners_of_War
Forwyn rank	Thu Jun 29 01:24:23 2017 Unsurprising, since the Reds couldn't even feed their own, much less an assload of PoWs.
NeverWoods rank	Thu Jun 29 02:16:34 2017 "collectivist ideologies are evil" What is the alternative, individual ideologies? Stop trying to be "edgy"
werewolf dictator rank	Thu Jun 29 02:24:08 2017 hood can't read.. they wouldn't be surrendering to nazi friendly westerners if germany wasn't already a beaten power by soviets
hood rank	Thu Jun 29 02:50:33 2017 Winter killed germans, not russian soldiers.
Forwyn rank	Thu Jun 29 03:35:49 2017 "What is the alternative, individual ideologies?" Yes. The Western liberal idea that individuals are autonomous; not a serf to the crown, or religion, or the tax base. The extremity of collectivist ideologies holds that human lives are nothing more than fodder to further the cause, whatever it may be.
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