Utopia Talk / Politics / Sam looses it

Seb Member	Mon Jun 19 01:37:22 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40322960 Just highlights how little there is between Sam and ISIS A man has died and 10 people have been injured after a van ploughed into worshippers near a north London mosque. The van mounted the pavement and struck a group of people just after midnight BST near Finsbury Park Mosque in Seven Sisters Road. A 48-year-old man has been arrested. Prime Minister Theresa May said police were treating it "as a potential terrorist attack". Eyewitness Abdul Rahman said the driver said he wanted to "kill all Muslims". Mr Rahman told the BBC he struck the man and helped subdue him. "When the guy came out from his van he wanted to escape, run away and he was saying 'I want to kill Muslims. 'I want to kill Muslims.' "I hit him on his stomach... and then me and the other guys... we held him to the ground until he couldn't move. We stopped him until the police came."
obaminated Member	Mon Jun 19 02:02:37 Its almost as if insanity breed insanity. But inviting the root cause into your home isn't the solution.
Paramount Member	Mon Jun 19 03:21:23 "potential terrorist attack" Since Sam is white, it will not be seen as a terrorist attack.
McKobb Member	Mon Jun 19 03:38:40 How do we know he is white? Statistics would suggest otherwise.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jun 19 03:49:31 Sooner or later we will not be allowed to manually drive cars. Humans are just too crazy/stupid/malevolent and computers are just better at it.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jun 19 03:50:56 "You drove your car to work? Are you crazy? You maniac!" ~ 2035
werewolf dictator Member	Mon Jun 19 04:45:27 seb is like the nerdy kid terrible at sports who didn't want to kick the ball because that would make him the same as a kid on the other team kicking a ball first figure out what team you're playing for and help them win.. or else you're a bigger problem than the other team
werewolf dictator Member	Mon Jun 19 04:46:37 and nimatzo can't wait to sell out team humans for team robots
Seb Member	Mon Jun 19 04:58:49 I know which team I'm on, the fact that you and the Islamists think you are on different teams doesn't make you different in my eyes. You're both totalitarians.
werewolf dictator Member	Mon Jun 19 05:12:59 islam is an opposing team by definition.. Ummah (أمة‎) is an Arabic word meaning "community" or "nation".[1] In Islam the word is used to refer to the collective worldwide body of Muslim believers,[2] including both the Muslim population of Dar al-Islam and the Muslim population of Dar al-Harb who are living outside the lands where Islam rules. The leader of the ummah is known as the Caliph. this dont change if you give them home jerseys and stand around chanting nonsense every time they score "own goal"
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jun 19 05:14:25 I am just making sure I am on the right side when our robot overlords take over.
werewolf dictator Member	Mon Jun 19 05:21:23 seb and his pals have turned uk into country that makes 1984 seem utopian.. but has hypocrisy to call others totalitarian
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jun 19 05:35:11 There is this constant shift (on the same issue/topic) among some circles, from relativists arguments to absolutist argument. For example, all cultures are equal, but the western culture is the most evil. Without irony or acknowledgment of the contradiction.
Chen Member	Mon Jun 19 05:41:54 Still nothing from dipshit Donald who was so quick to condemn the last London terror attack. I wonder why...
McKobb Member	Mon Jun 19 06:45:29 Their argument is that other cultures are like children that are being abused.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jun 19 07:27:28 It still makes no sense of course, because a child and his/her abuser are not equals. Besides >a lot< of children grow up to be retards/criminals/abusers without being abused and living a life of relative opulence.
Seb Member	Mon Jun 19 08:56:38 Werewolf: In so far as you both don't agree with Liberalism, yes, you both represent an enemy in ideological terms. The fact you have different reasons is immaterial. Nim: I have always maintained Liberalism is the superior political and social order. I don't consider it especially "Western" (isn't Nazism also "western?" What about communism?) These strawmen​ arguments are silly. The far left think socialism or Marxism in the same way. And they see western liberalism and capitalism as a form of imperialism, and terrorism in the most part a reaction to that. Your inability to differentiate those that disagree with you doesn't mean you get to glue their arguments together though.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Jun 19 09:12:13 Western citizens are angry and will continue to mount counterattacks seb. Your cuckery has forced their hand. The government does nothing and the people are angry.
hood Member	Mon Jun 19 09:14:42 Can we all marvel a second and "looses it"? Did Sam just gorge on a large meal and need some extra pants room?
hood Member	Mon Jun 19 09:15:09 At looses it* Fuck :(
Seb Member	Mon Jun 19 10:13:56 Hood: I think that demonstrates why that's not a very valuable contribution.
Seb Member	Mon Jun 19 10:15:34 Sam, echoing al-quaeda talking points.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Jun 19 10:26:39 Seb, thinks its ok for 100s of his own people to get killed by terrorists, but gets butthurt when the people start fighting back.
Paramount Member	Mon Jun 19 10:35:15 Sam, "Western citizens are angry and will continue to mount counterattacks seb. Your cuckery has forced their hand. The government does nothing and the people are angry." Yup, the Brits are becoming Palestinians.
Forwyn Member	Mon Jun 19 10:36:04 Seb invites civil war, standing in the middle calling both sides crazy.
Seb Member	Mon Jun 19 10:54:32 Forwyn: You, Sam and ISIS are the only ones calling for civil war Sam: Fighting back by killing innocent people? Isn't that what ISIS claims it's doing?
Sam Adams Member	Mon Jun 19 11:04:50 If you would prefer a more precise target, you should stop being a cuck and attack it. Otherwise the angry populace will attack what they can.
Forwyn Member	Mon Jun 19 11:08:05 Seb can't even see the divisiveness within his culture. People on the right are openly supporting this guy. Religious war is brewing, and you enabled it.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Jun 19 11:09:15 Another seb just attacked paris btw.
werewolf dictator Member	Mon Jun 19 11:27:43 seb thinks liberalism is having a mein kampf religious book defining your rules where at best you reduce all other teams to dhimmitude
werewolf dictator Member	Mon Jun 19 11:28:58 also liberalism is killing converts cutting off hands stoning adulterers etc.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jun 19 12:12:13 >>I have always maintained Liberalism is the superior political and social order. I don't consider it especially "Western" (isn't Nazism also "western?" What about communism?)<< Well I said culture, not political theory specifically. Sure western culture could include nazis and communist. Doesn't really make what I said less contradictory, regardless of how we define western culture. The comment was a general observation and not aimed at you, specifically. >>Your inability to differentiate those that disagree with you<< I may have told you the same thing on several occasions, but fair enough.
jergul large member	Mon Jun 19 13:32:19 Seb I am quite happy with any system that promotes people voting in their own best interests. Social democracy automatically follows, though that is not incompatible with a liberalist policies within what ultimately has to be a redistributionalist system. Redistribution and democracy are inseperable in well-functioning democracy.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jun 19 16:52:39 [hood]: "Can we all marvel a second [at] 'looses it'?" I checked this thread hoping that it was about Sam loosing the Kraken or something, but instead it was yet another example of one the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia," but only slightly less well-known is this: "know the difference between 'lose' and 'loose' unless you want to signal further the failings of your education!" a-hahahahahahaha, a-hahahahahahaha, a-hahaha— *dies*
Seb Member	Mon Jun 19 17:04:20 Sam: Well, there have been hundreds of arrests and prosecution for terrorist offenses, and we are bombing ISIS. So I'm not sure what you are worried about re specific precise targets. And again, if your argument is a lack of precise target justifies attacking innocent civillians, you are basically justifying terror. Werewolf: Sounds like you are the relativist here. Nim: Which bit of culture then that is pan western makes us superior which isn't part of the tennents of Libralism? Music based on chord progression or something like that? Perspective in art? Cherub: Lose and loose are both words. Gesture type can't tell the difference. Extrapolation so far makes you look silly. Troll elsewhere, these waters lack fish that will bite.
Rugian Member	Mon Jun 19 17:15:42 You could have gotten away with it had you just said that it's the English spelling. 90% of us wouldn't know better.
hood Member	Mon Jun 19 17:16:09 ^ accurate
smart dude Member	Mon Jun 19 19:41:30 "Lose and loose are both words." But you typed "looses," which isn't a word. So I'm actually kind of curious about this.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Jun 20 00:31:41 Seb, you are asking me to defend something I mentioned as somwthing I disagree with and find contradictory. Are you saying you have never heard such a sentiment? WTB?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Jun 20 00:42:26 So this is it, huh folks? Typos? The level of this place has reached the gutter. Don't worry we have been here before, keep your heads above the shit line, swim calm and carry on.
smart dude Member	Tue Jun 20 01:33:56 Well I dgaf about typos. Someone else called him out for it and then rather than admit it was a typo (or, even better, simply ignore the post) he gives some bullshit excuse for it. Because, like, owning up to a mistake is well beyond him.
Seb Member	Tue Jun 20 02:26:36 Smart Dude: Looses is the third person singular present tense of to loose. He looses the Kraken. Nim: That's not actually what WtB has ever said, much as I disagree with him. Smart Dude: I use a gesture based keyboard on my mobile. That's 21st century typo. Call it autocorrect if you like. Basically, I lingered a fraction of second too long over the o and failed to notice that it hadn't selected the right word. New technology brings new and exciting ways to generate typos. Cherub knows this, we've had this conversation before. I can't believe we're having "waa you typed it wrong" conversations. Even autocorrect memes need to have funny contexts.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jun 20 03:21:28 [Seb]: "Extrapolation so far makes you look silly." lulz@Seb trying to sound like he's being clinical/"sciencey" about his reasoning — never mind that an "extrapolation" that makes me look "silly" would be born of the error (a "silly" error perhaps?) where someone really thought that I didn't know that the thread title was an obvious typo. .. [Seb, continuing to bite]: "Troll elsewhere, these waters lack fish that will bite." ;D .. Anyways I was just responding to hood about a peripheral issue. Like nim said, "swim calm and carry on," and get back to the non-Kraken stuff ;)
Seb Member	Tue Jun 20 04:01:20 Cherub: If a typo, then extrapolation to make inferences about education is fallacious rather than silly wouldn't you agree? Sad that extrapolation is a word not in your normal vocabulary.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jun 20 05:16:14 [Seb]: "Sad that extrapolation is a word not in your normal vocabulary." lol! Classic Seb: misinterpreting :D Here Seb doesn't realize that there's a difference between having a word in one's vocabulary to a comfortable extent which makes its usage natural (oh look, I used it here, in my normal vocabulary: http://www...hread=80281&time=1496775042275 ), and using a word with obvious pretentiousness or feigned intellectual control. Your usage was the latter variety. Really no use talking to you, so that last insult will be it for me and your next one will go unopposed ;p
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Jun 20 05:23:50 >>That's not actually what WtB has ever said, much as I disagree with him.<< Not as concise and clearly as I stated it, no. But it is my understanding of him having discussed different topics with him. He is a cultural relativist and he thinks western culture is the most evil. His greatest hero is Foucault, a cultural relativist who thought western culture was the most evil. This is my subjective opinion, it may be wrong, but WTB never tried took the time and when he wasn't engaging in sophistry, he was ignoring me or calling me a Nazi.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Jun 20 05:46:09 >>Someone else called him out for it and then rather than admit it was a typo<< Admitting a mistake could be a sign of confidence, but in the UP shitfest it is merely another drop in the shit tsunami of LULZ that will follow. There is this concept of fostering a culture or atmosphere where people can be wrong without getting assailed for being complete morons even when being factually wrong. We have never had that on UP and will never have it. When the shit fest red lines, you are a genuine clinical retard for a typo. Maybe some of us have attempted to have a civilized relationship with some of the posters, but ignoring the shit posting is not easy and friendly fire is common. I still hold that writing is an unnatural way of communicating. Too unnatural for a lot of people judging by the trajectory of discourse on the Internet over the past decade. People are just text and pixles, really a fragment of a fragment of a real person. The complete lack of body language, tone of voice or other social cues. Removing the risk of escalation and physical conflict also removes most of our natural inhibitions of not needlessly antagonizing others. We already have a hard time understanding people face to face, misunderstanding them and getting verbally and physically abusive. The bar is that much lower in text. It is of course not all bad, text has it's virtues, but we still have not learned to handle this technology like grown ups.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Jun 20 05:53:49 "lol! Classic Seb: misinterpreting :D" Which is fine, you know, but you have to actually be open to the fact that you may not have a complete picture. I read an article that I will post on the board, describing some of what I am lamenting over here.
Seb Member	Tue Jun 20 05:53:51 Cherub: "Your usage was the latter variety." How do you figure?
Seb Member	Tue Jun 20 05:56:12 Nim: "Admitting a mistake could be a sign of confidence, but in the UP shitfest it is merely another drop in the shit tsunami of LULZ that will follow" Dude, I said straight out - typo. "Lose and loose are both words. Gesture type can't tell the difference."
Seb Member	Tue Jun 20 05:59:12 Cherub: How would one naturally convey the meaning? The word extrapolate comes naturally to me. It doesn't to you. So you read something different. Assuming I take you at face value, which I'm increasingly disinclined to.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Jun 20 06:07:24 "Dude, I said straight out - typo." Indeed you did and it ended up acting as another drop in the shit tsunami. Do you understand that I am trying to stand up for you and civilized behavior? There is obviously something wrong in the lines of communication between us.
Seb Member	Tue Jun 20 06:57:55 Oh, don't get me wrong, I appreciate it. There's enough of substance to disagree on without bullshit typos. Befuddled that people seemed to have failed to notice I did indeed say it was a typo.
smart dude Member	Tue Jun 20 08:16:34 "He looses the Kraken. " Not grammatical in this context. Nice try, though. "Loose" in this case is a(n unusual) synonym for "unleash," which is not the same meaning that you intended in the thread title, which means "loses" one's mind or one's temper, as in one "loses" one's car keys or one's virginity. Come on. Either it is grammatical or it is a typo. So far you have claimed both.
smart dude Member	Tue Jun 20 08:17:48 "Befuddled that people seemed to have failed to notice I did indeed say it was a typo. Yes, but first you claimed that it wasn't a typo. You claimed that "looses" is a word, implying that it was the correct word. No claim that it was a typo until someone called you out on it. Your first response was to defend your word choice. Don't deny that.
smart dude Member	Tue Jun 20 08:23:59 More to the point. You googled "looses" and cited Google's result that "looses" as a third person singular verb. But I challenge you to find a single instance of that "word" in any meaningful canon of the English language. You won't find any. Just a clear instance of bullshitting.
Seb Member	Tue Jun 20 08:54:42 Smart Dude: Urgh. The thread title is intended to be "loses", not "looses". At no point have I claimed otherwise. Indeed my first response on someone raising it (hood) who noticed he himself had made a typo was to say that that really demonstrated how little value such petty comments have. The next comment was: "Lose and loose are both words. Gesture type can't tell the difference." The exact proper grammatical usage of looses is not really relevant. All that matters is the gesture associated with loses and looses are very similar and I failed to notice it picked the wrong one as the default. And no, I don't need to Google to conjugate a verb. Nor do I need to check that loose is a verb. Do you really want to bet there's no example in English? That will require Google of course. Either way it's simple to check. By an android phone, set localisation to UK English, apply gesture based keyboard, and see if the word comes up as a recognised option.
Seb Member	Tue Jun 20 08:57:10 The comment to hood implicitly accepts it's a typo. The second confirms I intended lose not loose. Bottom line, have you really got nothing better to do than imagine some typogate coverup?
smart dude Member	Tue Jun 20 09:59:16 "Do you really want to bet there's no example in English? That will require Google of course." It's not really relevant, but I'm talking about searching for the word in any respected English canon. Works of Shakespeare. The Wall Street Journal. Any collection of 20th century English. Whatever. You won't find the world "looses" in any of these. Even a Google search of the term will uncover nothing but obvious typos of the word "loses" (and to a lesser extent "loosens.") I guess you aren't really versed enough in linguistics to know what I mean. Whatever.
smart dude Member	Tue Jun 20 10:00:07 *word Obviously a typo. I won't make weird excuses for it.
smart dude Member	Tue Jun 20 10:02:01 "I think that demonstrates why that's not a very valuable contribution." This is not an implicit confirmation of anything. It's just a confirmation that you won't even bother to admit a simple mistake.
Seb Member	Tue Jun 20 11:36:19 Smart Dude: I admitted the typo. I'm not sure why you are having such a hard time accepting that.
jergul large member	Tue Jun 20 14:39:28 Never trust a man who can only spell a word one way. -Clemens.
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