Utopia Talk / Politics / US Navy ship collides with merchant ship

tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jun 16 16:44:05 The U.S. military says a Navy destroyer collided with a merchant ship off the coast of Japan and says there have been injuries. In a brief written statement, U.S. Pacific Fleet in Hawaii said the Navy has requested assistance from the Japanese Coast Guard. It said Friday that the USS Fitzgerald collided with a merchant ship 56 nautical miles southwest of Yokosuka, Japan. A U.S. defense official said there is flooding in three compartments of the Fitzgerald and there were injuries. Pacific Fleet said the extent of injuries and damage to the Fitzgerald are “being determined,” and the incident is under investigation. http://apnews.com/81421f8df91c4f60a30b7a8983bc8842 looked fairly dinged up on some CNN video ...Trump sucks
FREAK NATION Member	Fri Jun 16 18:07:35 Was Trump in the situation room?
patom Member	Fri Jun 16 18:25:22 Heads will roll on this one. Hard to imagine a destroyer not being able to see something the size of a freighter. Someone was obviously asleep at the wheel.
Aeros Member	Fri Jun 16 18:32:50 I do not want to be that ships captain right now.
Aeros Member	Fri Jun 16 18:33:28 he should do the navy a favor and shoot himself to save everyone the trouble.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jun 16 19:03:52 the mangly damage at ~0:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCO1Bb4c3t4 so probably $50 billion in repairs or something
Ork Member	Fri Jun 16 21:23:55 Looks to me like the merchant ship collided with the US Navy ship and that the merchant ship is at fault. Not that it'll save anyone involved from punishment...
Ork Member	Fri Jun 16 21:27:58 Although actually the Navy ship was hit on the starboard side so they technically should of given way. Still hard to imagine how both ships aren't at fault.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jun 16 21:30:44 you can't trust asian drivers, it is known OP article is updated saying 7 sailors missing, and has a decent photo of the damage
Ork Member	Fri Jun 16 21:32:15 I'll just go ahead and blame this on transgenders and Obama.
McKobb Member	Fri Jun 16 22:12:27 Its all those pleural heads.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jun 16 22:20:58 How does an aegis ship with 8 kinds of radars and an instant on jet turbine capable of 35kt get hit by a 15kt merchantman?
McKobb Member	Fri Jun 16 22:32:19 Beware the Crystal Pyre!
Aeros Member	Fri Jun 16 23:24:05 I wonder if the joke about the warship and the lighthouse is involved here.
jergul large member	Fri Jun 16 23:35:51 Damage to the starboard as you caught in your second post. The DD sailed into a vessel sailing on a similar course, but at lower speed. Aeros. That joke covered the US sub that unexpectedly collided with the ocean floor. The pumps are incidentally operating at capacity. Even keel equals counterflooding. The damage is very serious.
jergul large member	Fri Jun 16 23:40:23 Also - the captain was not on watch.
Hrothgar Member	Sat Jun 17 02:16:43 Well whatever happened, no matter what the truth of it was or was not, Jergul found a way to attempt to insult the United States in response to an un-offensive post in this thread. That's refreshing and new. Reminds me of my 12 year old when he's angry at his younger siblings. He can find a way to become even more angry at them no matter what is it they may do or not do in the following minutes.
Paramount Member	Sat Jun 17 04:48:18 Apparently, some American sailors went missing after the collision. Maybe they saw their chance to defect to Japan when their ship was so close to another ship. They simply saw a chance and jumped over to the merchant ship?
Daemon Member	Sat Jun 17 06:09:57 How such shit happens, incident from 2012: http://pil...cb-5763-93bb-aab66d820175.html Audio: Confusion reigned before destroyer's collision May 23, 2013 The guided-missile destroyer Porter had just cut across the path of an approaching supertanker, a risky nighttime maneuver in one of the world's busiest shipping channels, when a sailor standing watch spotted an ominous red glow. It was the port light of a second massive oil tanker – apparently obscured by the first merchant ship and somehow undetected or unnoticed by sailors monitoring the Porter's advanced radar system. ...
Daemon Member	Sat Jun 17 06:12:20 Also in the news: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608066/shipping-giants-are-looking-to-self-piloting-boats-to-shift-cargo/ ... The Nikkei Asian Review reports that a consortium of Japan's shipbuilders and freight companies are working together to build technology that will enable new ships to chart their own courses. The vision: an onboard artificial intelligence that will gather data from sensors and external sources—to ascertain, say, weather conditions and ocean traffic—in order to constantly plot the safest and most efficient route. The consortium is expected to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on the technology, which it hopes will be ready to build into ships as soon as 2025. ...
murder Member	Sat Jun 17 09:06:35 "I do not want to be that ships captain right now." Aside from paying for the lives lost, it should only take him 500 lifetimes to pay for the damages.
murder Member	Sat Jun 17 09:10:27 "he should do the navy a favor and shoot himself to save everyone the trouble." Quite a few people should. The Captain is obviously at fault, but any number of personnel should have spotted the threat and taken action. This isn't an anti-ship missile or torpedo ... it's a god damn massive slow ass freighter. It's hard to imagine colliding with one if you're not trying to.
murder Member	Sat Jun 17 09:17:56 "How such shit happens, incident from 2012:" Yeah, a bunch of people failing to do their jobs. This is ridiculous. We spend hundreds of millions of dollars providing these ships with defensive systems against every threat imaginable ... and then some moron runs a red light and gets t-boned?
murder Member	Sat Jun 17 09:20:08 The best possible defense I can come up with for the Captain is that they were forced to swerve into oncoming traffic to avoid hitting a puppy that was spotted in the path of the ship. Everyone loves puppies.
murder Member	Sat Jun 17 09:24:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vih4tGmqjs
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Jun 17 09:25:32 or they were distracted by weird Japanese porn there's no doubt you could find weird enough Japanese porn to distract anyone
murder Member	Sat Jun 17 09:26:18 "The Nikkei Asian Review reports that a consortium of Japan's shipbuilders and freight companies are working together to build technology that will enable new ships to chart their own courses. The vision: an onboard artificial intelligence that will gather data from sensors and external sources—to ascertain, say, weather conditions and ocean traffic—in order to constantly plot the safest and most efficient route. The consortium is expected to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on the technology, which it hopes will be ready to build into ships as soon as 2025." Google will beat them to it. :o)
murder Member	Sat Jun 17 09:28:30 "or they were distracted by weird Japanese porn" Maybe they shouldn't have ALL been rubbing one out at the same time?
Aeros Member	Sat Jun 17 09:39:51 "Also - the captain was not on watch." Doesn't matter. He is responsible for making sure the officers and crew know what they are doing. He failed.
Paramount Member	Sat Jun 17 09:48:14 Everyone makes mistakes. Come on. Give him a brake.
Aeros Member	Sat Jun 17 10:21:07 A Captain in charge of billions of dollars of taxpayer money and a hundred lives is not allowed to make mistakes.
jergul large member	Sat Jun 17 10:53:00 Hrothgar How do you figure? I personally have been on ships that grounded at full speed twice, and one ocean going collision. There is always an element of human error, but blameless as the root cause is systemic. Aeros is the one that alluded to a lighthouse joke, and pretended American exceptionalism somehow made the collision a unique one time incident. Which is demonstratably not true. Aeros It matters. The watch officer is directly and personally responsible. He is 2nd only to god while the captain sleeps. I would tend to go with "no fault" myself. Collisions happen. Even with a full watch crew. Which we know US naval vessels no longer have due to cost reductions and crew reductions. For an actual stab at the US military industrial complex. Automated shit whill go to pieces without redundant human backup.
jergul large member	Sat Jun 17 10:53:34 The captain was mangled in his quarters btw. How is that for a rude awakening?
murder Member	Sat Jun 17 13:06:14 "The captain was mangled in his quarters btw." http://bit.ly/2sEIAQr
murder Member	Sat Jun 17 13:07:39 http://bit.ly/2tz7Dk3
jergul large member	Sat Jun 17 13:44:53 If you duplicate with text, I will often delete the first redundant post murder. Just part of the full utopia forum experience.
murder Member	Sat Jun 17 16:58:05 I have no idea what you just said. :o)
jergul large member	Sat Jun 17 17:27:13 I would have deleted that first post if the 2nd had contained "The captain was mangled in his quarters btw."
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Jun 17 22:51:39 the 7 missing bodies found in flooded compartments Trump's fake thoughts and prayers failed, impeach
Allahuakbar Member	Sun Jun 18 04:52:02 Are there simulators for the PC on how to steer a freighter?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jun 18 06:09:27 I am always astonished by ships colliding with each other on a planet covered by 70% Oceans...
The Children Member	Sun Jun 18 06:11:09 hahaha did u see the pictures on the damage of the warship. LOL! how does a warship collide with a big ship like that. like all those radars and human eyes culdnt see a big ship coming in from a mile away? lol this shit is turnin into a major news now. something very fishy went on there and they r tryin 2 cover it up!
The Children Member	Sun Jun 18 06:14:55 this is clearly drug related man. they were doing shady business when shit got sour and then they started rammin and shit.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jun 23 10:05:47 The freighter was on autopilot, its crew apparently asleep and not any on watch. Our destroyer, for its part, did not use its multiple radars, sonar, or its crew as observers to avoid the oncomming freighter and probably was not paying any attention at all either. Lol. Incompetance all around.
Aeros Member	Fri Jun 23 10:30:45 Still though, as far as actual fault, it leads pretty strongly towards the freighter. Still won't save the commanders career though. It may allow him to avoid discharge at best, and a desk job somewhere.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jun 23 10:47:19 I have no idea who had the right of way... plenty of blame to go around tho.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jun 23 10:49:50 If you are one of the safety inspectors you just grab your pen... violation for you! Citation for you! Violations for everyone!!!
jergul large member	Fri Jun 23 13:00:57 I actually checked the radar earlier (it was not using its combat radar arrays obviously). The DD class has an extremely powerful navigational radar. Autopilot and no bridge lookouts (the bridge officer would have been there regardless) does not change anything. Navigation operates on a right of way principle. You are in the wrong if the collision occurs on your right side is the general rule.
Paramount Member	Fri Jun 23 13:18:02 Big goes first. If you are a smaller ship, you make sure to stay out of the way.
murder Member	Fri Jun 23 15:56:28 I don't care who had the right of way. It's your job not to hit stuff.
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