Utopia Talk / Politics / Sweden crawling with Islamists - Sapo

Forwyn Member	Fri Jun 16 11:56:04 The number of Islamist militants in Sweden has soared to thousands in recent years but only a few pose a security threat to society, the head of the country's security services said on Friday. Sweden is still in shock after five people were killed and 15 injured when a hijacked truck ploughed into a crowd on a busy shopping street and crashed into a Stockholm department store on April 7. Police are holding an Uzbek man who has admitted to driving the vehicle. Anders Thornberg, the head of the Swedish Security Service (Sapo), said only a handful of militants had the desire and capacity to carry out attacks. He blamed propaganda by Islamic State for the problem. "We have never seen anything like this before," Thornberg told national news agency TT. He said the numbers included those who merely sympathise with violent militants to those who spread the message, recruit and collect funds. "The growth in extremism is a challenge of historical proportions," he said. The biggest concentrations of militants are in Stockholm, Gothenburg, Malmo and Orebro, according to Sapo. Trump acknowledges he is under investigation in Russia probe Russia's military says it may have killed IS leader; West, Iraq sceptical The government has tightened laws and promised more funding for police and security services. It is planning further measures, including increased CCTV surveillance. But Thornberg said the security services faced a new environment where attacks no longer needed months of planning and preparation. "Today, if you decide to act, you maybe buy two knives or hire a truck and drive into a crowd," he said. http://uk....en-security-idUKKBN1971H9?il=0
Arab Member	Fri Jun 16 12:21:47 https://www.statista.com/statistics/529494/sweden-number-of-alcohol-related-deaths-by-gender/
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Paramount Member	Fri Jun 16 12:59:15 "The number of Islamist militants in Sweden has soared to thousands" I take that with grain of salt. "but only a few pose a security threat" So there are thousands of militants who does not pose a security threat? lol "Anders Thornberg, the head of the Swedish Security Service (Sapo), said only a handful of militants had the desire and capacity to carry out attacks" Swedish Security Service must have interviewed them all and asked them if they had a desire to attack, and when only a few said yes, SAPO then came to the logic conclusion that only a few pose a threat. "We have never seen anything like this before," Thornberg told national news agency TT." So if only a few pose a threat, I feel rather safe, and I don't understand what the problem is or why he is so hysterical? Just apprehend them.
Asgard Member	Fri Jun 16 14:51:53 Well, he is hysterical because, per your county's social etiquette, he cannot outright tell the truth: ALL of them pose a threat. Instead he is talking in clues. He says only a few pose a threat but acts hysterical. Only those with brains (i.e. not you) understands that.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 13:59:20 Wonder if paramount had take the report with a grain of salt if it had been right wing extremists? That is not a real question btw.
jergul large member	Sat Jun 17 14:05:25 I am sure he does. You have all the markers of an extreme threat, but I take that with a grain of salt, as I am sure para also does. But pray do tell us if you lose you connection to the workforce. We would be obliged to report you if that check box is ticked.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 14:10:14 Should add that rapes are up 16% this year while Swedish police are in a serious crisis. They actually prioritize easy cases so they can show good nr. Things like trafiic violations and misdemenor drug charges, things that normally do not carry prison sentences. We now have a new phenomena (at least never reported), 3 cases of gang rape by afghani boys/men of young boys. 52% of Swedes state that they do not trust medias reporting on immigration. On a more hopeful note (for Sweden) things are changing rapidly. The paramounts and sebs are losing the debate. Studies are emerging and numbers produced, reality is dawning. Maybe soon we can start fixing things.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 14:19:09 I think 12.5% is more likely to occur than any of the other things you predict jergul. Keep trying, sooner or later you will be lucky and score!
jergul large member	Sat Jun 17 14:24:06 Do more drugs, bro. Those microdoses of lsd are a sure winner that absolutely will keep you in the workforce. The only thing interesting about Swedish rape statistics is that underreporting has decreased signficantly over the last 15 years.
jergul large member	Sat Jun 17 14:35:18 Rape statistics is of course one of the pseudo-sciences that the ultra-right loves to latch on to. It is typically estimated that 90% of rapes are not reported. Extrapolation from 10% is not valid.
pillz Member	Sat Jun 17 14:37:45 jergul and seb are almost indistinguishable
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 15:59:13 Micro dosing is the shit in sillicon valley. I think in relation to my work it has only been great. I landed my dream job at my dream place micro dosed on the interviews. My boss told me it was one of fastest recruitments he has ever made. Now not all of that is the lsd of course, I am a likable guy and just generally awesome. The LSD is like 10-15% more energy and focus.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 16:05:04 The 90% is just utter bullshit, but even if it wasn't, it applies to all rapes, not just the ones with white perps. In fact it would apply much more to Muslims given how things like women, rape and honor are viewed in Islam. You are a complete moron jergul, there is literally nothing you say these day that isn't completely wrong, stupid or just down right retarded, often all three at once.
jergul large member	Sat Jun 17 16:26:39 Nimi Just keep up with that microdosing on top of your habitual weed consumption. It will end well. I promise. I can tell by the way you look at statistics that your mind is in a good place. Pillz Really? Seb and I share similar outlooks in some areas, but certainly not all. I for example have become a strong proponent of expelling dual nationals that represent a quantifiable security risk. See my posts on nimi for details.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 16:56:30 You sound like a broken record everytime your studipity trips you up. Pillz they are similar, but different. They both suffer from inflated egos, but Jergul is also on top of that a real certified retard and for real a genuine racist. When you think about it, he has always been like this. Seb is not a racist or a retard, he is a virtue signaling cuck. Remember that seb took a left turn around the same time he married a communist human rights lawyer from Costa Rica (yes I remember this too seb) and started working for the government. It may have become politically and socially expedient for him to have certain opinions. After some time you start accepting shit like gender theory and that there are no relevant differences between Islam and Christianity. Both are of course beyond redemption, but jergul is also a staunch and irredeemable socialist, i.e cancer. Seb is different, you start talking to him and may even like him, until you realize he gave you AIDS.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 16:57:45 So cancer and AIDS, same result, but different :-)
jergul large member	Sat Jun 17 17:36:40 By socialist, nimi means Scandinavian social democrat. A cancer only from an ultra-right perspective that was forcibly removed in Iran back in the day, and that is not trying to spread its poison elsewhere. You just can't take the ME out of some people.
jergul large member	Sat Jun 17 17:38:23 now trying to* You are seriously mistaken in thinking Nordic democracies lack cures for infections of your type nimi. Perhaps you will learn to accept it more easily after you are put on a plane to take you back home to Iran.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 17:48:17 No no, by socialist I mean socialist. Read what I write literally, I try to be very clear and direct when talking to the mentally challenged. Tudeh party was not socialist, they were communists. Misguided as they were all the facts and horrors of communism was not apparent during their days in authoritarian Iran. They are forgiven for their errors, many of them friends of my father, executed not by the Shah, but by your friends in the Islamic republic. Their cause was respectable, albeit under the misguided flag of communism. There is nothing respectable about what you do jergul.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 17:56:19 lol, as if I am alone jergul in my ideas about dismantling the socialist nanny state. Of course Swedish migration policy is doing that far more rapidly that we could, something your Norwegian compatriots seem to be aware of limiting the flow of needy refugees who will remain unemployed and unemployable sucking on the government tit until they die. Norwegians are not crazy, you have your SD as well, but for some reason they have not acted as a divider in your country the way it has in Sweden. You are a Swede Jergul, Norwegians have decency and respect.
jergul large member	Sat Jun 17 17:57:08 You doing drugs right now, bro? By socialist, you mean Scandinavian Social Democrat. The society that nurtured you, and that you declared war on in numerous threads in this forum. You think that acceptable. Its not. Jihadists of any ilk have to go if it at all feasible to kick them out (ie they must have multiple citizenships. Our own trash we have to bear responsibility for ourselves).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 18:10:26 "The society that nurtured you, and that you declared war on in numerous threads in this forum." Jergul to a slave in 18th century USA. LÖL!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 18:11:44 "Our own trash" You are the trash, brö.
jergul large member	Sat Jun 17 18:23:37 Do some more drugs and keep telling yourself that, bro. You seem to have very little problem seeing that you are incompatible with Social Democracies. There is that small mercy. I would have to firmly disagree on your outlined solution that the Nordic countries have to change to meet your cultural preferences. It would be best for all to just put you on a plane and send you home.
jergul large member	Sat Jun 17 18:26:43 Nimi: "we will introduce shahria [pun intended] law in sweden" Jergul: "fuck off, nimi. Seriously"
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 18:29:02 Socialism in incompatible with human dignity and freedom. It is a sick and diseased theory that has outlived its usefulness. We will take the good stuff the burn the rest to provide district heating.
jergul large member	Sat Jun 17 18:30:08 Fuck off, nimi. Seriously.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 18:33:04 Nima: I will liberate Scandinavia, restore dignity and responsibility to people. Jergul: WAAA I WANT MY [National]SOCIALISM! I WILL DEPORT YOU YOU IRANIAN SCUM!
jergul large member	Sat Jun 17 18:40:59 Nimi, its the violence charge rethoric combined with quite a number of terrorist markers that makes me think deportation your nation of primary citizenship is by far the best course. I am not quite serious about this (take it with a pinch of salt) as you seem to maintain steady employment and thus avoid making all of the terrorist checkmarks. But pray do tell when your drug use causes you to lose your job.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 18:42:52 We did fuck off Jergul, we fucked off to Sweden. As I told you, I will not be fucking off anymore, I flirted with the idea, but decided to stand my ground against you and your Islamist buddies. Come at me brö, come at me.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 18:46:43 You can not fire someone for using drugs in Sweden. So that was another one of your dreams squashed unfortunately :/
jergul large member	Sat Jun 17 18:47:07 We have authorities to deal with threats nimi. Vigilante is really just another name for terrorist. At least from the perspective of a well-ordered Social Democracy. I think you will be fucked off to Iran sooner or later. Habitual drug use suggests sooner, rather than later. Ie you will fuck up horribly soon enough.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 18:48:20 I know a bus driver that drove while high on opium (Iranian of course) recklessly I may add, swirving on the road. He was back at work 6 months later driving. Gotta love those unions and socialism :)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 18:49:28 Vigilante? You fucking moron, I am running for office!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jun 17 18:54:40 I will start small of course, first getting elected at a municipal level. The master plan is already set in motion Jergul I am making all the necessary arrangements, making the right connections with the right people. You will see, mark my words, socialism will be destroyed.
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Jun 17 19:09:29 "Socialism in incompatible with human dignity and freedom. It is a sick and diseased theory that has outlived its usefulness." what are you talking about, nim? Is this serious? What should replace socialism? You are having a kid, right? What is the system that you are hoping the kid is going to grow up in?
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Jun 17 19:10:57 Actually, I just realized that I might be not in the "loop". is this a continuation of some other discussion that you've been having with jergul for ages? Or is this new?
obaminated Member	Sat Jun 17 19:24:03 I believe the issue earlier was communism and that turned to social democracy. So I think they are talking about communism. Anyways I don't think Nim has done a total 180 on the tenets of socialism, he is just adjusting to the reality that socialism tends to shelter the losers of society while leeching off the winners of society. In shor,, Nim, is a year or two away from supporting Trump.
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Jun 17 19:38:59 mira que mi favorito cabron
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Jun 17 19:40:37 I was raised in Castille, I think you can see it from my refined spanish
jergul large member	Sun Jun 18 01:41:39 Obam We are talking about the social model that exists in the Nordic countries. Nimi calls it a cancer. I disagree. The only mention of communists was by nimi who considered them far superior to social democrats.
jergul large member	Sun Jun 18 01:41:59 CR Your question was in other words valid.
Paramount Member	Sun Jun 18 03:25:41 Jergul: "By socialist, nimi means Scandinavian social democrat" Nimatzo: "No no, by socialist I mean socialist." You are talking about Sweden and its socialism, how it is a cancer. "You can not fire someone for using drugs in Sweden" So, use more drugs. You are invincible. You are also the cancer in our society, Nimatzo. You promote/nurture organized crime, and everything that comes with it – murder, ghettos, decay of communities and people. The best thing that could happen is probably if someone put a bullet in your head or locked you up for good.
Paramount Member	Sun Jun 18 04:45:42 "The number of Islamist militants in Sweden has soared to thousands" The number of ISIS militants in Afghanistan range from 1000-3000. So, according to the Swedish Security Service, Sweden has more or as many islamic militants as there are ISIS members in Afghanistan. So yeah, I take SÄPO's statement with a grain of salt. SÄPO won't even say if we have 3000, 7000, or 32000 islamic militants in Sweden. Just "thousands". You have got to ask yourself why SÄPO goes out and says that there are thousands of islamic militants in Sweden, and in the next sentence they say that they pose no threat. rofl Only "a few" pose a threat, SÄPO said. A few can be two or three. Maybe five at the most?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jun 18 05:32:48 CR this is partly personal between me and Jergul and partly a response to what is going on and has been going on Sweden for some time. Things I do not agree with and think are detrimental to the present and future of this country. I do not consider Jergul a serious poster, he has been on that trajectory for some time. He embodies pretty much everything I detest in a person. Big ego, big mouth, not an ounce of humility and thinks he is an expert on everything. Well he is not, he is actually quite uninformed on many things. As for you question what should replace socialism, seems like the wrong question. Just because things are a certain way doesn't mean they should be. It also depends on what you mean with "socialism". If you are using the broad "the military" is socialism definition or to talk about different types of insurance, then I don't really care. Socialism means viewing the world/society in constant conflict, poor vs rich, men vs women, black vs white. This "struggle" is at the core of socialism. I find it detrimental and more importantly a gross misrepresentation and oversimplification of reality. We can extract the useful ideas without accepting the failed ideology that it is. Sorta like compassion and forgiveness are good traits, we should all try to be more compassionate forgiving, but leave the whole Jesus died for our sins and got resurrected after 3 days in the trash bin.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jun 18 05:39:21 Obaminated. I would have suffer from severe brain injury to support Trump. The man is a moron, but whenever he says something right I will give him that. But a guy who says this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU2p6YakNJg is not likely to say many things I agree with, even less often than a broken watch. There is a good argument to be made that Trump is amoral, he will say anything if he thinks he will get "likes". He is dangerous. I will not dismiss his voter or their concerns, I may even share some of them, but Trump is not the person who will see to to those concerns. He will not save you.
Paramount Member	Sun Jun 18 11:14:49 The world is in constant conflict, rich vs poor, men vs women, white vs blacks. This is not socialism, it is reality.
jergul large member	Sun Jun 18 11:51:55 Personal? ROFL. Pwnd!
jergul large member	Sun Jun 18 12:06:07 Social Democracy is the belief that human societies left unchecked develop in unsustainable ways. "Capitalism in the 21st Century" is perhaps this eras most important book and provides the core pragmatic argument for why redistibution is required. Otherswise, check out the empirists (hume,locke and Berkely) for the philosophical basis for redistribution (the fruit of labour belongs to man, but the capital basis belongs to the community is the secular social democratic understanding)
jergul large member	Sun Jun 18 12:11:49 Social is actually a bit redudant. Self-intrest Democracy would work as well. It really is just a question of what income inequality the majority of voters accept before redistribution is mandated through democratic processes.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jun 18 13:55:06 This would the third time I say that, you are not a very bright bulb, are you? It is like the "new" information about my weed smoking and LSD usage, that I told you over a year ago, but it dawned on you just recently. Turns out it is not just sebs who suffers from memory issues. LÖL BRÖ!
jergul large member	Sun Jun 18 14:04:59 Project much, bro?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jun 18 14:06:28 Right in your face.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jun 18 14:07:56 This is not socialism, it is *a gross misrepresentation and oversimplification of* reality. *fixed
jergul large member	Sun Jun 18 14:09:30 Anyway, the fundament problem with Nimi's position is its inherent democratic deficit. Hence the need to piggyback concepts detrimental to the public weal onto popular sentiments such as anti-semitism (always a sure winner), or anti-muslim crusades. People need to be convinced to act against their own interests. Which explains anti-intellectualism and anti-truth too. If nothing is true, then no one has any real self-interest either. In sum. Nimi is drug addled and batshit crazy.
jergul large member	Sun Jun 18 14:12:50 Notes the jingoistic and combative reponse pattern as consistent with drug addled and batshit crazy.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jun 18 14:20:06 WAAAAAA I will deport you Aryan scum! -Jergul Notes the jingoistic and combative response pattern as consistent with a [National]Socialist.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jun 18 14:25:10 Fuck off nimi, you drug addled jihadi batshit crazy aryan!! Leave muh socialism alone or I will have you deported! -Jergul
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jun 18 14:27:39 Swedish women under report rape by 90% while immigrant and Muslim women report 100% of rapes. There for statistics is pseudo science. -Jergul lol you actually said that.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jun 18 14:32:15 12.5% by 2020. -Jergul It's 25% btw.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jun 18 14:33:52 Islam, Christianity?!? You mean Abrahamic faith, yes they suck. -Jergul Norway is awesome because of our Lutheran work ethics. -Jergul (the same jergul)
jergul large member	Sun Jun 18 14:54:03 You on drugs now, bro?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jun 18 15:22:27 You projecting, brö?
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