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obaminated
Member Mon Apr 24 15:26:09
What a shit storm that'd meeting be, how many senators would refuse to sit down and listen to trump talk? Even if it's about north korea.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Mon Apr 24 17:02:24

It is not so much him as his National Defense Crew.

The Senators will get a complete debriefing on the North Korean situation.

Looks like they are preparing a backup if China falls on their face.

murder
Member Mon Apr 24 18:45:19

They're not going to do shit. You don't bluff before punching the other guy in the face.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Mon Apr 24 18:51:53
"It is not so much him"

i certainly hope not... Trump doing the talking would just be a mix of made-up or misunderstood information, Chinese propaganda learned from his new bud, and stupid comments like "nobody knew North Korea was a complicated issue"

Y2A
Member Mon Apr 24 21:39:01
They could attack NK. They don't care if the west coast gets hit by a nuke.

Aeros
Member Mon Apr 24 21:42:11
Honestly that is the only reason I can think of to drag the entire fucking Senate to a classified briefing. Constitutionally Trump needs congressional approval to start shit since the Authorization Congress gave to Truman is a prettg thin reed. But if Trump was seen trying to get congress to approve openly North Korea would certainly attack.

Aeros
Member Mon Apr 24 21:44:33
The USS michigan just made an open Port call in South Korea too. Not subtle at all.

Sam Adams
Member Mon Apr 24 22:04:15
Y2a, hit north korea now before they get the ability to hit us.

jergul
large member Mon Apr 24 22:06:57
3500 tomahawk missiles (all blocks). 150 tomahawk capable vessels. Assume 50% of missiles in reserve.

11 missiles in average for each vessel.

So certainly less than 50 on the USS Michigan. Enough to inconvenience a Syrian airport for several hours.

Yawn. The USN is very much like a shell game. Maximum figures always quoted, but never realized (number of aircraft on CVs is another one of the shellgame things).

zavyx
Member Mon Apr 24 22:34:57
would have been simpler if he had just gone to the senate

what a selfish bastard trump is.

Aeros
Member Tue Apr 25 01:46:04
The Michigan is nuclear armed. It does not carry Tomahawks, it carries medium range strategic SSBMs. 50 of them.

Aeros
Member Tue Apr 25 01:54:20
That is the context jergul. An open visit by the Michigan openly shows the presence of at a minimum 2 dozen SBM city busting nukes in range of Beijing Pyongyang and Vladivostok. Not a sister ship is hidden nearby

jergul
large member Tue Apr 25 01:55:01
"As of June 2007, Michigan has been converted to an SSGN at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard."

jergul
large member Tue Apr 25 01:56:16
So at a bare minimum 2 dozen conventional tomahawks - or enough to inconvenience a Syrian airport for several hours.

Aeros
Member Tue Apr 25 01:57:42
*Not assuming a sister ship nearby

Aeros
Member Tue Apr 25 02:00:57
The Michigan of course conforms to the strategic arms reduction treaties in the same way Russia conforms to it. :)

jergul
large member Tue Apr 25 02:06:55
Tomahawks were denuclearized by 2008. The ICBM launch tubes have been repleaced by tomahawk launch tubes.

So even if your "the moon landing is fake and michigans rebuild to an SSGN is a fake" theory was true, it would not matter for the signal it sends:

...It does not actually send any signal. 50 odd Tomahawks are not significant.

Aeros
Member Tue Apr 25 02:22:10
For someone who doubts everything the US say's, you sure are willing to believe when convenient. Switching our boomers from conventional to nuclear is simply a matter of swapping one missile for another. That sub has nukes, and the talk of its conversion is a happy falsehood that creates public deniability while sending a message to Russia and China who know damn well it has nukes but don't want to break the charad because they are doing the same thing

jergul
large member Tue Apr 25 02:35:03
Aeros
I have always trusted DoD releases. You need to know how to read them, but they are fundamentally true.

Also, are you insane? The conversion involved replacing each ICBM launch tube with 7 Tomahawk tubes.

The alternative to conversion was scrapping the vessels.

You CT nutcases make me laugh.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed Apr 26 18:12:53
the same team that briefed the senators at the White House went to Capitol Hill anyway to brief the House... so completely pointless trip & Trump only briefly attended

the showmanship presidency

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Apr 26 18:43:05

"At the White House meeting, Trump pledged a different course on North Korea stemming from his ability to “get things done”, according to a Senate aide.

But members of both parties left the meeting concerned that the White House does not “have an effective plan in place and doesn’t understand the level of effort necessary to reach a diplomatic solution”, the aide said."
http://www...us-navy?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Sounds about right

obaminated
Member Wed Apr 26 19:14:02
Once again CR reveals his lack of reading comprehension. "Diplomatic solution".

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Apr 26 20:14:16
Miguel, sounds about right does not indicate any opinion, except in your chalupa brain

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Apr 26 20:17:49
The White House's all-hands briefing on North Korea sounded like it was a disorganized mess

Natasha Bertrand
Donald Trump U.S. President Donald Trump attends the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum's "Days of Remembrance" ceremony in the Capitol Rotunda in Washington, U.S, April 25, 2017. REUTERS/Yuri Gripas

The entire US Senate was bused to the White House on Wednesday afternoon to receive a much-hyped classified briefing on North Korea — but some Senators emerged from the all-hands meeting unimpressed by the content and the "lack of straight answers" they got from administration officials.

"It was an OK briefing," Republican Sen. Bob Corker, chair of the Foreign Relations committee, told reporters afterward.

"What was discussed, I already knew," Corker said, according to BuzzFeed. "I'm not certain I would have had the briefing today, but I do appreciate — you know, they've got a great team that they put together."

"It's not like we learned some earth-shaking thing that's going to happen tomorrow," Corker added, according to NBC's Frank Thorp.

Another Republican Senator told The Washington Post's congressional reporter Ed O'Keefe that the White House did not offer "even straight answers on what the policy is regarding North Korea and its testing of ICBMs [intercontinental ballistic missiles]."..

...A Democratic Senator told The New York Times' Jonathan Martin, meanwhile, that President Trump briefly appeared at the briefing, and did his "ridiculous adjective bit."

"There were about 80 sets of invisible eyes rolling," the Senator said.

Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy told CNN's Jim Sciutto that there was "no revelation" during the briefing.

It was "more a chance to convey they're serious," Murphy said.

"It was pretty much what you've been hearing in the press," Democratic Sen. Chris Van Hollen told CNN. "
Cont

http://www...was-a-disorganized-mess-2017-4

Also sounds about right, don't get offended too much, mtard

obaminated
Member Wed Apr 26 20:24:42
Trump involves the Senate to express how serious he is taking north Korea and that he wants everyone on the same page. Cr is upset he didn't tell the Senate he was prepared to drop bombs on North Korea starting tomorrow.

Poor old cr.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Apr 26 20:26:45
Me? Upset? I am delighted, pocho. Senators are rolling their eyes at Donald and trashing the meeting as useless, I see how it makes you sad. But I am happy at another day without war in Korea. Comprende, cabron?

obaminated
Member Wed Apr 26 20:27:53
"Trashing the meeting as useless"

Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy told CNN's Jim Sciutto that there was "no revelation" during the briefing.

It was "more a chance to convey they're serious," Murphy said

obaminated
Member Wed Apr 26 20:28:56
Cr is a step behind cuckhat insofar as its incredibly clear they have miserable personal lives and are desperate to win back some dignity on this forum, obviously cuckhat is far more pathetic, but CR and his drinking are getting there.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Apr 26 20:30:14
Mexcrement refuses to understand how a meeting with no revelation is useless. Why wouldn't trump be serious? He need to say it? There was a doubt, people thought he is not serious? Get out, pocho. Get out of town

obaminated
Member Wed Apr 26 20:31:36
I struck a nerve. It's also worth pointing out that trump is once again showcasing how he is different from Obama who really shunned interacting with the senate.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Apr 26 20:31:55
My personal life is 11 on the scale of 8. You'd want to be me, vato

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Apr 26 20:34:13
"It's also worth pointing out that trump is once again showcasing how he is different from Obama who really shunned interacting with the senate."

Is this interaction where they roll their eyes at president good or bad, beanie? You have to elaborate

Hood
Member Wed Apr 26 20:44:49
Good old mexitard, cherry picking as hard as possible to make shit look shiny.

obaminated
Member Wed Apr 26 21:08:30
Not a shocker that big government fans are pleased to see a president who actually wants to keep Congress in the loop in regards to potential military excursions. Course, as with benghazi, it really doesn't matter what is revealed because partisan hacks like CR and hood really don't care about details.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Apr 26 21:09:50
That fucker, I was just going to get back my dignity in this forum,and now chuntaro is gone. Also, I am starting to worry about my miserable personal life, I wasn't before but what if beanie is right? What if he is a savant, a village idiot who can sometimes predict the future

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Apr 26 21:11:04
"Not a shocker that big government fans are pleased to see a president who actually wants to keep Congress in the loop in regards to potential military excursions"

I am totally pleased, Miguel. Honestly

obaminated
Member Wed Apr 26 21:11:44
Oh CR, you cry for attention more than HR and then brag about how great your life is when challenged on it. It's about as believable as piss chugger no longer allowing his white friends to tie him to a tree when they get drunk.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Apr 26 21:12:40
I do want attention, and I do brag. I can't help it, I think I am the most interesting person alive.

obaminated
Member Wed Apr 26 21:14:34
Don't get too upset CR, I am not saying you are cuckhat levels of pathetic. But you are trending downwards in how desperate you become, on a daily basis.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Apr 26 21:14:39
So far, I want to fix my miserable personal life, restore back my dignity in this forum, I also want more attention than Rod, and I want to brag.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Apr 26 21:16:20
All for posting a piece about the senators saying how sir roll their eyes at one useless president and one useless meeting. I think you are overreacting, Miguel. All the venom for one post?

Hood
Member Wed Apr 26 23:08:20
"Not a shocker that big government fans are pleased to see a president who actually wants to keep Congress in the loop in regards to potential military excursions"

You don't need a classified meeting to tell congress you're super duper cereal about North Korea. Trump could have not inconvenienced 100 people by bringing them to the WH and instead just stood up in the senate and told them right there how serious he was.

Again, this meeting was fairly pointless as noted by many sources. It was Trump trying to look important. Whoopty fucking do. Stop trying to make it what it isn't. There was no real policy; they avoided sharing anything substantial. Like I said before, this could have been accomplished in much easier fashion.

Paramount
Member Thu Apr 27 01:50:07
It looks like Trump chickened out. He is now looking for a peaceful solution to the nuclear crisis.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Thu Apr 27 04:53:25

He has always wanted the peaceful solution to all problems.

swordtail
Anarchist Prime Thu Apr 27 10:17:33

Apr

26

2017

NYT’s ‘Impossible to Verify’ North Korea Nuke Claim Spreads Unchecked by Media

By Adam Johnson

Buoyed by a total of 18 speculative verb forms—five “mays,” eight “woulds” and five “coulds”—New York Times reporters David E. Sanger and William J. Broad (4/24/17) painted a dire picture of a Trump administration forced to react to the growing and impending doom of North Korea nuclear weapons.

“As North Korea Speeds Its Nuclear Program, US Fears Time Will Run Out” opens by breathlessly establishing the stakes and the limited time for the US to “deal with” the North Korean nuclear “crisis”:

Behind the Trump administration’s sudden urgency in dealing with the North Korean nuclear crisis lies a stark calculus: A growing body of expert studies and classified intelligence reports that conclude the country is capable of producing a nuclear bomb every six or seven weeks.

That acceleration in pace—impossible to verify until experts get beyond the limited access to North Korean facilities that ended years ago—explains why President Trump and his aides fear they are running out of time.

The front-page summary was even more harrowing, with the editors asserting there’s “dwindling time” for “US action” to stop North Korea from assembling hundreds of nukes:

From the beginning, the Times frames any potential bombing by Trump as the product of a “stark calculus” coldly and objectively arrived at by a “growing body of expert[s].” The idea that elements within the US intelligence community may actually desire a war—or at least limited airstrikes—and thus may have an interest in presenting conflict as inevitable, is never addressed, much less accounted for.

The most spectacular claim—that North Korea is, at present, “capable of producing a nuclear bomb every six or seven weeks”—is backed up entirely by an anonymous blob of “expert studies and classified intelligence reports.” To add another red flag, Sanger and Broad qualify it in the very next sentence as a figure that is “impossible to verify.” Which is another way of saying it’s an unverified claim.

When asked on Twitter if he could say who, specifically, in the US government is providing this figure, Broad did not immediately respond.

Other key claims are either not attributed or attributed to anonymous “officials” (emphasis added):

Unless something changes, North Korea’s arsenal may well hit 50 weapons by the end of Mr. Trump’s term, about half the size of Pakistan’s. American officials say the North already knows how to shrink those weapons so they can fit atop one of its short- to medium-range missiles — putting South Korea and Japan, and the thousands of American troops deployed in those two nations, within range.

To offer a bit of outside perspective, Sanger and Broad interview Siegfried S. Hecker, a Stanford professor who directed the Los Alamos weapons laboratory in New Mexico in the late ’80s and early ’90s. The only time he speaks directly to the threat, he does so in the context of a nuclear accident:

At any moment, Dr. Hecker said on a call to reporters organized by the Union of Concerned Scientists, a live weapon could turn into an accidental nuclear detonation or some other catastrophe.

“I happen to believe,” he said, “the crisis is here now.”

Hecker and other semi-neutral observers (Hecker worked for the Department of Defense for several years) are understandably worried about more nuclear weapons in the aggregate, especially in the hands of a relatively poor country with a long history of botched missile attempts. But who, exactly, is making the article’s most alarmist predictions? It’s unclear.

Naturally, the specter of North Korea creating an assembly line of nuclear weapons—by far the sexiest part of the story—was the lead in subsequent write-ups. Within hours, this meme spread to a half-dozen other outlets:

“North Korea’s Growing Nuclear Threat, in One Statistic”

Here is the most frightening thing you’ll read all day: Growing numbers of US intelligence officials believe North Korea can produce a new nuclear bomb every six or seven weeks.

—Vox (4/25/17)

“North Korea Will ‘Cross The Point of No Return’ With Sixth Nuclear Test”

Defense experts estimate that the North is capable of producing a nuclear bomb every six or seven weeks, reports the New York Times.

—Daily Caller, 4/25/17)

“North Korea Could Produce a Nuclear Weapon Every Six Weeks, Experts Are Warning”

—Yahoo News (4/25/17)

“Residents of China Fear Radiation From North Korea Nuclear Tests”

Experts say the country is capable of producing a nuclear bomb every six or seven weeks, the New York Times reported Monday.

—UPI (4/25/17)

“China Warns North Korea Will ‘Cross the Point of No Return’ if It Carries out a Sixth Nuclear Test, as Secretive Country Stages Its ‘Largest Ever Firing Drill'”

…amid fears the secretive state can create a nuke every six weeks.

—Daily Mail (4/25/17)

“North Korea Is Capable of Producing a Nuclear Bomb Every Six or Seven Weeks”

—News.com.au (4/26/17)

Even New York Times columnist Nick Kristof jumped on the meme, magically turning “capable of producing” into “will soon be churning out”:

But from whence did this meme come? Who, exactly, made this claim? Is there any dissent within the community of “experts” on this prediction? Is there an official document somewhere with people’s names on it who can later be held accountable if it turns out to be bogus? Once again, the essential antecedents of war are being established based on anonymous “experts” and “officials,” and hardly anyone notices, much less pushes back.

http://fai...itter&utm_source=socialnetwork

patom
Member Thu Apr 27 16:09:51
It's a wonder that Trump didn't call them all to Mar a Largo. He could have made a lot of money housing all those Senators.

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obaminated Member	Mon Apr 24 15:26:09 What a shit storm that'd meeting be, how many senators would refuse to sit down and listen to trump talk? Even if it's about north korea.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Apr 24 17:02:24 It is not so much him as his National Defense Crew. The Senators will get a complete debriefing on the North Korean situation. Looks like they are preparing a backup if China falls on their face.
murder Member	Mon Apr 24 18:45:19 They're not going to do shit. You don't bluff before punching the other guy in the face.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Apr 24 18:51:53 "It is not so much him" i certainly hope not... Trump doing the talking would just be a mix of made-up or misunderstood information, Chinese propaganda learned from his new bud, and stupid comments like "nobody knew North Korea was a complicated issue"
Y2A Member	Mon Apr 24 21:39:01 They could attack NK. They don't care if the west coast gets hit by a nuke.
Aeros Member	Mon Apr 24 21:42:11 Honestly that is the only reason I can think of to drag the entire fucking Senate to a classified briefing. Constitutionally Trump needs congressional approval to start shit since the Authorization Congress gave to Truman is a prettg thin reed. But if Trump was seen trying to get congress to approve openly North Korea would certainly attack.
Aeros Member	Mon Apr 24 21:44:33 The USS michigan just made an open Port call in South Korea too. Not subtle at all.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Apr 24 22:04:15 Y2a, hit north korea now before they get the ability to hit us.
jergul large member	Mon Apr 24 22:06:57 3500 tomahawk missiles (all blocks). 150 tomahawk capable vessels. Assume 50% of missiles in reserve. 11 missiles in average for each vessel. So certainly less than 50 on the USS Michigan. Enough to inconvenience a Syrian airport for several hours. Yawn. The USN is very much like a shell game. Maximum figures always quoted, but never realized (number of aircraft on CVs is another one of the shellgame things).
zavyx Member	Mon Apr 24 22:34:57 would have been simpler if he had just gone to the senate what a selfish bastard trump is.
Aeros Member	Tue Apr 25 01:46:04 The Michigan is nuclear armed. It does not carry Tomahawks, it carries medium range strategic SSBMs. 50 of them.
Aeros Member	Tue Apr 25 01:54:20 That is the context jergul. An open visit by the Michigan openly shows the presence of at a minimum 2 dozen SBM city busting nukes in range of Beijing Pyongyang and Vladivostok. Not a sister ship is hidden nearby
jergul large member	Tue Apr 25 01:55:01 "As of June 2007, Michigan has been converted to an SSGN at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard."
jergul large member	Tue Apr 25 01:56:16 So at a bare minimum 2 dozen conventional tomahawks - or enough to inconvenience a Syrian airport for several hours.
Aeros Member	Tue Apr 25 01:57:42 *Not assuming a sister ship nearby
Aeros Member	Tue Apr 25 02:00:57 The Michigan of course conforms to the strategic arms reduction treaties in the same way Russia conforms to it. :)
jergul large member	Tue Apr 25 02:06:55 Tomahawks were denuclearized by 2008. The ICBM launch tubes have been repleaced by tomahawk launch tubes. So even if your "the moon landing is fake and michigans rebuild to an SSGN is a fake" theory was true, it would not matter for the signal it sends: ...It does not actually send any signal. 50 odd Tomahawks are not significant.
Aeros Member	Tue Apr 25 02:22:10 For someone who doubts everything the US say's, you sure are willing to believe when convenient. Switching our boomers from conventional to nuclear is simply a matter of swapping one missile for another. That sub has nukes, and the talk of its conversion is a happy falsehood that creates public deniability while sending a message to Russia and China who know damn well it has nukes but don't want to break the charad because they are doing the same thing
jergul large member	Tue Apr 25 02:35:03 Aeros I have always trusted DoD releases. You need to know how to read them, but they are fundamentally true. Also, are you insane? The conversion involved replacing each ICBM launch tube with 7 Tomahawk tubes. The alternative to conversion was scrapping the vessels. You CT nutcases make me laugh.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Apr 26 18:12:53 the same team that briefed the senators at the White House went to Capitol Hill anyway to brief the House... so completely pointless trip & Trump only briefly attended the showmanship presidency
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Apr 26 18:43:05 "At the White House meeting, Trump pledged a different course on North Korea stemming from his ability to “get things done”, according to a Senate aide. But members of both parties left the meeting concerned that the White House does not “have an effective plan in place and doesn’t understand the level of effort necessary to reach a diplomatic solution”, the aide said." http://www...us-navy?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Sounds about right
obaminated Member	Wed Apr 26 19:14:02 Once again CR reveals his lack of reading comprehension. "Diplomatic solution".
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Apr 26 20:14:16 Miguel, sounds about right does not indicate any opinion, except in your chalupa brain
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Apr 26 20:17:49 The White House's all-hands briefing on North Korea sounded like it was a disorganized mess Natasha Bertrand Donald Trump U.S. President Donald Trump attends the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum's "Days of Remembrance" ceremony in the Capitol Rotunda in Washington, U.S, April 25, 2017. REUTERS/Yuri Gripas The entire US Senate was bused to the White House on Wednesday afternoon to receive a much-hyped classified briefing on North Korea — but some Senators emerged from the all-hands meeting unimpressed by the content and the "lack of straight answers" they got from administration officials. "It was an OK briefing," Republican Sen. Bob Corker, chair of the Foreign Relations committee, told reporters afterward. "What was discussed, I already knew," Corker said, according to BuzzFeed. "I'm not certain I would have had the briefing today, but I do appreciate — you know, they've got a great team that they put together." "It's not like we learned some earth-shaking thing that's going to happen tomorrow," Corker added, according to NBC's Frank Thorp. Another Republican Senator told The Washington Post's congressional reporter Ed O'Keefe that the White House did not offer "even straight answers on what the policy is regarding North Korea and its testing of ICBMs [intercontinental ballistic missiles].".. ...A Democratic Senator told The New York Times' Jonathan Martin, meanwhile, that President Trump briefly appeared at the briefing, and did his "ridiculous adjective bit." "There were about 80 sets of invisible eyes rolling," the Senator said. Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy told CNN's Jim Sciutto that there was "no revelation" during the briefing. It was "more a chance to convey they're serious," Murphy said. "It was pretty much what you've been hearing in the press," Democratic Sen. Chris Van Hollen told CNN. " Cont http://www...was-a-disorganized-mess-2017-4 Also sounds about right, don't get offended too much, mtard
obaminated Member	Wed Apr 26 20:24:42 Trump involves the Senate to express how serious he is taking north Korea and that he wants everyone on the same page. Cr is upset he didn't tell the Senate he was prepared to drop bombs on North Korea starting tomorrow. Poor old cr.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Apr 26 20:26:45 Me? Upset? I am delighted, pocho. Senators are rolling their eyes at Donald and trashing the meeting as useless, I see how it makes you sad. But I am happy at another day without war in Korea. Comprende, cabron?
obaminated Member	Wed Apr 26 20:27:53 "Trashing the meeting as useless" Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy told CNN's Jim Sciutto that there was "no revelation" during the briefing. It was "more a chance to convey they're serious," Murphy said
obaminated Member	Wed Apr 26 20:28:56 Cr is a step behind cuckhat insofar as its incredibly clear they have miserable personal lives and are desperate to win back some dignity on this forum, obviously cuckhat is far more pathetic, but CR and his drinking are getting there.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Apr 26 20:30:14 Mexcrement refuses to understand how a meeting with no revelation is useless. Why wouldn't trump be serious? He need to say it? There was a doubt, people thought he is not serious? Get out, pocho. Get out of town
obaminated Member	Wed Apr 26 20:31:36 I struck a nerve. It's also worth pointing out that trump is once again showcasing how he is different from Obama who really shunned interacting with the senate.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Apr 26 20:31:55 My personal life is 11 on the scale of 8. You'd want to be me, vato
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Apr 26 20:34:13 "It's also worth pointing out that trump is once again showcasing how he is different from Obama who really shunned interacting with the senate." Is this interaction where they roll their eyes at president good or bad, beanie? You have to elaborate
Hood Member	Wed Apr 26 20:44:49 Good old mexitard, cherry picking as hard as possible to make shit look shiny.
obaminated Member	Wed Apr 26 21:08:30 Not a shocker that big government fans are pleased to see a president who actually wants to keep Congress in the loop in regards to potential military excursions. Course, as with benghazi, it really doesn't matter what is revealed because partisan hacks like CR and hood really don't care about details.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Apr 26 21:09:50 That fucker, I was just going to get back my dignity in this forum,and now chuntaro is gone. Also, I am starting to worry about my miserable personal life, I wasn't before but what if beanie is right? What if he is a savant, a village idiot who can sometimes predict the future
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Apr 26 21:11:04 "Not a shocker that big government fans are pleased to see a president who actually wants to keep Congress in the loop in regards to potential military excursions" I am totally pleased, Miguel. Honestly
obaminated Member	Wed Apr 26 21:11:44 Oh CR, you cry for attention more than HR and then brag about how great your life is when challenged on it. It's about as believable as piss chugger no longer allowing his white friends to tie him to a tree when they get drunk.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Apr 26 21:12:40 I do want attention, and I do brag. I can't help it, I think I am the most interesting person alive.
obaminated Member	Wed Apr 26 21:14:34 Don't get too upset CR, I am not saying you are cuckhat levels of pathetic. But you are trending downwards in how desperate you become, on a daily basis.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Apr 26 21:14:39 So far, I want to fix my miserable personal life, restore back my dignity in this forum, I also want more attention than Rod, and I want to brag.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Apr 26 21:16:20 All for posting a piece about the senators saying how sir roll their eyes at one useless president and one useless meeting. I think you are overreacting, Miguel. All the venom for one post?
Hood Member	Wed Apr 26 23:08:20 "Not a shocker that big government fans are pleased to see a president who actually wants to keep Congress in the loop in regards to potential military excursions" You don't need a classified meeting to tell congress you're super duper cereal about North Korea. Trump could have not inconvenienced 100 people by bringing them to the WH and instead just stood up in the senate and told them right there how serious he was. Again, this meeting was fairly pointless as noted by many sources. It was Trump trying to look important. Whoopty fucking do. Stop trying to make it what it isn't. There was no real policy; they avoided sharing anything substantial. Like I said before, this could have been accomplished in much easier fashion.
Paramount Member	Thu Apr 27 01:50:07 It looks like Trump chickened out. He is now looking for a peaceful solution to the nuclear crisis.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Apr 27 04:53:25 He has always wanted the peaceful solution to all problems.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Thu Apr 27 10:17:33 Apr 26 2017 NYT’s ‘Impossible to Verify’ North Korea Nuke Claim Spreads Unchecked by Media By Adam Johnson Buoyed by a total of 18 speculative verb forms—five “mays,” eight “woulds” and five “coulds”—New York Times reporters David E. Sanger and William J. Broad (4/24/17) painted a dire picture of a Trump administration forced to react to the growing and impending doom of North Korea nuclear weapons. “As North Korea Speeds Its Nuclear Program, US Fears Time Will Run Out” opens by breathlessly establishing the stakes and the limited time for the US to “deal with” the North Korean nuclear “crisis”: Behind the Trump administration’s sudden urgency in dealing with the North Korean nuclear crisis lies a stark calculus: A growing body of expert studies and classified intelligence reports that conclude the country is capable of producing a nuclear bomb every six or seven weeks. That acceleration in pace—impossible to verify until experts get beyond the limited access to North Korean facilities that ended years ago—explains why President Trump and his aides fear they are running out of time. The front-page summary was even more harrowing, with the editors asserting there’s “dwindling time” for “US action” to stop North Korea from assembling hundreds of nukes: From the beginning, the Times frames any potential bombing by Trump as the product of a “stark calculus” coldly and objectively arrived at by a “growing body of expert[s].” The idea that elements within the US intelligence community may actually desire a war—or at least limited airstrikes—and thus may have an interest in presenting conflict as inevitable, is never addressed, much less accounted for. The most spectacular claim—that North Korea is, at present, “capable of producing a nuclear bomb every six or seven weeks”—is backed up entirely by an anonymous blob of “expert studies and classified intelligence reports.” To add another red flag, Sanger and Broad qualify it in the very next sentence as a figure that is “impossible to verify.” Which is another way of saying it’s an unverified claim. When asked on Twitter if he could say who, specifically, in the US government is providing this figure, Broad did not immediately respond. Other key claims are either not attributed or attributed to anonymous “officials” (emphasis added): Unless something changes, North Korea’s arsenal may well hit 50 weapons by the end of Mr. Trump’s term, about half the size of Pakistan’s. American officials say the North already knows how to shrink those weapons so they can fit atop one of its short- to medium-range missiles — putting South Korea and Japan, and the thousands of American troops deployed in those two nations, within range. To offer a bit of outside perspective, Sanger and Broad interview Siegfried S. Hecker, a Stanford professor who directed the Los Alamos weapons laboratory in New Mexico in the late ’80s and early ’90s. The only time he speaks directly to the threat, he does so in the context of a nuclear accident: At any moment, Dr. Hecker said on a call to reporters organized by the Union of Concerned Scientists, a live weapon could turn into an accidental nuclear detonation or some other catastrophe. “I happen to believe,” he said, “the crisis is here now.” Hecker and other semi-neutral observers (Hecker worked for the Department of Defense for several years) are understandably worried about more nuclear weapons in the aggregate, especially in the hands of a relatively poor country with a long history of botched missile attempts. But who, exactly, is making the article’s most alarmist predictions? It’s unclear. Naturally, the specter of North Korea creating an assembly line of nuclear weapons—by far the sexiest part of the story—was the lead in subsequent write-ups. Within hours, this meme spread to a half-dozen other outlets: “North Korea’s Growing Nuclear Threat, in One Statistic” Here is the most frightening thing you’ll read all day: Growing numbers of US intelligence officials believe North Korea can produce a new nuclear bomb every six or seven weeks. —Vox (4/25/17) “North Korea Will ‘Cross The Point of No Return’ With Sixth Nuclear Test” Defense experts estimate that the North is capable of producing a nuclear bomb every six or seven weeks, reports the New York Times. —Daily Caller, 4/25/17) “North Korea Could Produce a Nuclear Weapon Every Six Weeks, Experts Are Warning” —Yahoo News (4/25/17) “Residents of China Fear Radiation From North Korea Nuclear Tests” Experts say the country is capable of producing a nuclear bomb every six or seven weeks, the New York Times reported Monday. —UPI (4/25/17) “China Warns North Korea Will ‘Cross the Point of No Return’ if It Carries out a Sixth Nuclear Test, as Secretive Country Stages Its ‘Largest Ever Firing Drill'” …amid fears the secretive state can create a nuke every six weeks. —Daily Mail (4/25/17) “North Korea Is Capable of Producing a Nuclear Bomb Every Six or Seven Weeks” —News.com.au (4/26/17) Even New York Times columnist Nick Kristof jumped on the meme, magically turning “capable of producing” into “will soon be churning out”: But from whence did this meme come? Who, exactly, made this claim? Is there any dissent within the community of “experts” on this prediction? Is there an official document somewhere with people’s names on it who can later be held accountable if it turns out to be bogus? Once again, the essential antecedents of war are being established based on anonymous “experts” and “officials,” and hardly anyone notices, much less pushes back. http://fai...itter&utm_source=socialnetwork
patom Member	Thu Apr 27 16:09:51 It's a wonder that Trump didn't call them all to Mar a Largo. He could have made a lot of money housing all those Senators.
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